If you are the type of player that buys good items so that they can control+click their weapon set to show off their elite items, this thread isnt for you.
However if you are the player that doesn't mind a different skin, and just wants nice stats for a cheaper cost, read here:
All you have to do is get the ironwing longbow, and apply a 20/20 sundering to it, replacing the old mod, after doing this, your bow will hav the same stats as Urgozs'
Ironwing is cheap, or free if you use ammy, and the 20/20 sundering is available from around 20-40k, (according to bsaeline mod pricing stick in trade forums) while Urgoz longbow goes for like 100k +50ecto
How to get Urgozs' Longbow for 100s K cheaper
Puffin Green
Sir Mad
Upgrades on green items can be replaced now? O.o
Since when?
Since when?
Dauntless
Greens are not upgradeable. If they were my Shiro's Blades would be zealous instead of vampiric.
Puffin Green
i thought the could, because i was gonna upgrade my victo blade with a furious hilt, and it said "doing this will replace the old mod", but i decided to save the hilt and sell it, didnt actually go thru with the upgrade long enough for it to tell me that i cant
Pitha
its not possible to change upgrades on green items... 
Drewfense
Also the main thing about the longbow is this skin...not the stats. It is my favorite bow skin, but I have had a lot of friends say it just looks like wimpy twigs to them hehe.
Ventius Hozza
Wow. Just, wow.
*sigh*
*sigh*
Maria The Princess
well IDK if anyone noticed it, but Urgoz has the SAME EXACT stats like Drago Flatbow....
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin
Wolydarg
ascalon collector bows from the desert, add 20/20, and add +30 hp, it's like the same thing! [/sarcasm]
Most people that buy Urgoz buy it for the facts that they are a) elite mission drops. b) they for some odd reason like the skin or c) they want to burn money
Just like they pay tons more for a mursaat hornbow over a normal hornbow...
Most people that buy Urgoz buy it for the facts that they are a) elite mission drops. b) they for some odd reason like the skin or c) they want to burn money
Just like they pay tons more for a mursaat hornbow over a normal hornbow...
vaxmor
why would anyone even add a 20/20 sundering?
jedi mad hatter
Because it's expensive.
Bloodied Blade
It sounds cool.
Thom Bangalter
ugh. ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.
one: sundering=not very good. beyond r-spike, where you have a sundering longbow, you shouldn't be using it.
two: long bows and flatbows are completely different. longbows have a lower arc, meaning higher accuracy, meaning you're a good player if you're using one a nd a bad player if you're rocking you're drago's.
three, greens cannot be upgraded.
no wonder my ranger has such a hard time finding a group.
one: sundering=not very good. beyond r-spike, where you have a sundering longbow, you shouldn't be using it.
two: long bows and flatbows are completely different. longbows have a lower arc, meaning higher accuracy, meaning you're a good player if you're using one a nd a bad player if you're rocking you're drago's.
three, greens cannot be upgraded.
no wonder my ranger has such a hard time finding a group.
shadowfell
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
ugh. ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.
one: sundering=not very good. beyond r-spike, where you have a sundering longbow, you shouldn't be using it.
two: long bows and flatbows are completely different. longbows have a lower arc, meaning higher accuracy, meaning you're a good player if you're using one a nd a bad player if you're rocking you're drago's.
three, greens cannot be upgraded.
no wonder my ranger has such a hard time finding a group. Really?
I thought it was the prince avatar...
=P
one: sundering=not very good. beyond r-spike, where you have a sundering longbow, you shouldn't be using it.
two: long bows and flatbows are completely different. longbows have a lower arc, meaning higher accuracy, meaning you're a good player if you're using one a nd a bad player if you're rocking you're drago's.
three, greens cannot be upgraded.
no wonder my ranger has such a hard time finding a group. Really?
I thought it was the prince avatar...
=P
Nestaron
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Originally Posted by shadowfell
Really?
I thought it was the prince avatar...
=P lol burned
I thought it was the prince avatar...
=P lol burned
meerkats
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
two: long bows and flatbows are completely different. longbows have a lower arc, meaning higher accuracy, meaning you're a good player if you're using one a nd a bad player if you're rocking you're drago's.
Flatbows have the same range as a longbow but they have a faster refire rate, a flat bow with read the wind and or favourable winds is going to be a better option for ranged attacking than a longbow, so in conclusion you have no idea what is a good player or a bad player as each has its own merits.
Cyan The Archer
The title dont really fit this topic. You arent getting Urgoz longbow AT ALL, the OP is just telling us the price of sundering mod
Medion
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Wolydarg
Rspikes use Sundering long and Vampiric Horn
ubermancer
Sundering is actually very useful on hammers, more so then /vampiric/ imo, and certainly more useful there then on bows.
All other weapons need not apply.
All other weapons need not apply.
Legendary Shiz
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Originally Posted by Drewfense
Also the main thing about the longbow is this skin...not the stats. It is my favorite bow skin, but I have had a lot of friends say it just looks like wimpy twigs to them hehe.
Yes, it is elite because of the skin not because of the stats. You could go out and get a Dragos Flatbow and have the same stats, or just buy some cheapo gold bow (vanilla skin).
I used to own an Urgoz, and my friend said he thought it looked bad. But if you notice, it's the people that can't afford one/doesn't have one that thinks it looks bad.
I used to own an Urgoz, and my friend said he thought it looked bad. But if you notice, it's the people that can't afford one/doesn't have one that thinks it looks bad.
Voltar
you can get it for free if you get a ferry to the warren and get into enough good groups to finally loot it.
as well, there are no "bad" weapons or upgrades. some are just more useful than others depending on what you're doing. sundering horn for barrage works...sometimes i use my royens to take out necros or eles in ab or aspenwood because i like the big numbers...
flatbows kick ass on npcs in pvp that stand there and take your kindle arrows tiger's fury spam...longbows are slightly better if you're trying to pin down or cripshot someone barely in range...
incendiary arrows/tiger's fury/shortbow to the face = monk killer.
this is making me want a bow/armor storage now...
as well, there are no "bad" weapons or upgrades. some are just more useful than others depending on what you're doing. sundering horn for barrage works...sometimes i use my royens to take out necros or eles in ab or aspenwood because i like the big numbers...
flatbows kick ass on npcs in pvp that stand there and take your kindle arrows tiger's fury spam...longbows are slightly better if you're trying to pin down or cripshot someone barely in range...
incendiary arrows/tiger's fury/shortbow to the face = monk killer.
this is making me want a bow/armor storage now...
Hidden in the Mist
Weird...I thought you could change the mods on the factions greens. I remember I tried to see if I could change the mods on Rajazan's Fevear and it gave me a message if I really wanted to change the mod.
Y.T.
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Originally Posted by Hidden in the Mist
Weird...I thought you could change the mods on the factions greens. I remember I tried to see if I could change the mods on Rajazan's Fevear and it gave me a message if I really wanted to change the mod.
wow i never tryed to change mods on greens cos i knew its not possible.... but what if we can change mods on new greens.... interesting.
Maria The Princess
Bow Classes
In general, there are five different classes of bows. Flight time and arc size directly affects the accuracy of the bow, whereas refire rate directly affects the DPS of the bow. Additionally, arc size also affects the pathing of the arrow -- some obstacles might obstruct a bow with small arc size, but a bow with large arc size may be able to get through.
Refire Rate Range1 Flight Time Arc Size Special
Longbow 2.4 seconds 1.6 0.59 seconds Normal None
Flatbow 2.0 seconds 1.6 0.88 seconds Large None
Horn Bow 2.7 seconds 1.4 0.59 seconds Normal 10% Armor
Recurve Bow 2.4 seconds 1.4 0.40 seconds Small None
Short Bow 2.0 seconds 1.05 0.59 seconds Normal None
1 Range is approximated in the radius of the aggro circle measured on approximately flat ground.
* Being at a higher elevation than your target increases the range your arrows can go, and at a lower elevation your range is shortened.
this is from http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Bow
just to show the diffrence and clear out the misunderstanding. as conclusion:
long bow refires slower so less "attak spams" but arrow flyes faster so its better for a support figure, such as crip shot ranger or interrupter. Flat bow spams more but arrows fly longuer, there for its good for Damage daeling rangers such as spikers and all rest, but terrible for interrupting. but why would anyone run an interrupter with a long bow when you can use a recurve?
ok?!?
In general, there are five different classes of bows. Flight time and arc size directly affects the accuracy of the bow, whereas refire rate directly affects the DPS of the bow. Additionally, arc size also affects the pathing of the arrow -- some obstacles might obstruct a bow with small arc size, but a bow with large arc size may be able to get through.
Refire Rate Range1 Flight Time Arc Size Special
Longbow 2.4 seconds 1.6 0.59 seconds Normal None
Flatbow 2.0 seconds 1.6 0.88 seconds Large None
Horn Bow 2.7 seconds 1.4 0.59 seconds Normal 10% Armor
Recurve Bow 2.4 seconds 1.4 0.40 seconds Small None
Short Bow 2.0 seconds 1.05 0.59 seconds Normal None
1 Range is approximated in the radius of the aggro circle measured on approximately flat ground.
* Being at a higher elevation than your target increases the range your arrows can go, and at a lower elevation your range is shortened.
this is from http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Bow
just to show the diffrence and clear out the misunderstanding. as conclusion:
long bow refires slower so less "attak spams" but arrow flyes faster so its better for a support figure, such as crip shot ranger or interrupter. Flat bow spams more but arrows fly longuer, there for its good for Damage daeling rangers such as spikers and all rest, but terrible for interrupting. but why would anyone run an interrupter with a long bow when you can use a recurve?
ok?!?
snelhest
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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
well IDK if anyone noticed it, but Urgoz has the SAME EXACT stats like Drago Flatbow....
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin its not only about skin.. flatbow shots 100% slower then some longbows and dont have the same range.. and its ugly..
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin its not only about skin.. flatbow shots 100% slower then some longbows and dont have the same range.. and its ugly..
MelechRic
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Originally Posted by snelhest
Better check your math there sport. Saying a flatbow shoots 100% slower than a longbow might get you flamed.Code:
| Refire Rate | Range1 | Flight Time | Arc Size | Special
--------+-------------+--------+--------------+----------+---------
Longbow | 2.4 seconds | 1.6 | 0.59 seconds | Normal | None
Flatbow | 2.0 seconds | 1.6 | 0.88 seconds | Large | None
Another thing you could consider is when arrows land. You can fire an arrow every 2.4 seconds from a longbow. They will "hang" for .59 seconds before landing. So a longbow's arrows will be spaced every 2.99 seconds. If you look at a flatbow it fires every 2 seconds with a "hang" of .88 seconds. It's arrows with land every 2.88 seconds. The flatbow will actually hit it's target more frequently than the longbow! However, the high arc on a flatbow makes the arrows easier to dodge by moving forward/backward. That's why flatbow users should consider something like Read the Wind.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by MelechRic
You can fire an arrow every 2.4 seconds from a longbow. They will "hang" for .59 seconds before landing. So a longbow's arrows will be spaced every 2.99 seconds.
That's not quite true. It takes 2.99 seconds for the first arrow to land, but after that they are spaced out exactly 2.4 seconds apart. You don't stop firing while the first is in the air, nor do you wait till the arrow lands before you fire again.
That's not quite true. It takes 2.99 seconds for the first arrow to land, but after that they are spaced out exactly 2.4 seconds apart. You don't stop firing while the first is in the air, nor do you wait till the arrow lands before you fire again.
denzil
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Originally Posted by meerkats
Flatbows have the same range as a longbow but they have a faster refire rate, a flat bow with read the wind and or favourable winds is going to be a better option for ranged attacking than a longbow, so in conclusion you have no idea what is a good player or a bad player as each has its own merits.
Was just about to say the exact same thing
Nightzirk
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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
well IDK if anyone noticed it, but Urgoz has the SAME EXACT stats like Drago Flatbow....
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin
welll.....drago's FLATbow vs urgoz LONGbow....FLAAAtbow...LOOOONGbow....get my drift?
flatbows have a completely different way of firing, true, they have tha same range, but a flatbow reloads faster and has slower flight time and a higher arch, which means shooting at moving foes is useless...so, if you want the longbow, go farm the 100k+50 ectos, or buy a collector's longbow and 20/20 +30hp it 
just buy that for 35k...... and farm the 100k and 50 ectos u need for Urgoz BEATIFUL skin
welll.....drago's FLATbow vs urgoz LONGbow....FLAAAtbow...LOOOONGbow....get my drift?
flatbows have a completely different way of firing, true, they have tha same range, but a flatbow reloads faster and has slower flight time and a higher arch, which means shooting at moving foes is useless...so, if you want the longbow, go farm the 100k+50 ectos, or buy a collector's longbow and 20/20 +30hp it
Maria The Princess
well i think as long as u have more then only 1 bow in inventory the diffrence is not dramatic. its only less efficient to interrupt with flat bow, but longbows are not perfect for it either.
ill choose a recurv bow instead of longbow to interrupt anytime
ill choose a recurv bow instead of longbow to interrupt anytime
MelechRic
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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax
That's not quite true. It takes 2.99 seconds for the first arrow to land, but after that they are spaced out exactly 2.4 seconds apart. You don't stop firing while the first is in the air, nor do you wait till the arrow lands before you fire again.
My bad! I knew I was forgetting something when I was typing that. Oh well, the point is made. A Flatbow isn't 100% slower than a longbow.
Dyon Adell
Actually I think alot of mods are overpriced... such the as the sundering, and fortitude grips. Sure they are really cool to add along... random side effects during matches. But to pay 20k for it? A normal longbow 15>50 maxed only cost me 1k to forge(I bought 5 Dune Burrower jaws for 200 each and exchanged with Sir Pohl).
So I won't be getting those bow mods until I've successfully penetrated tombs and Jade Sea, where I have like 5-10 unique items to sell.
So I won't be getting those bow mods until I've successfully penetrated tombs and Jade Sea, where I have like 5-10 unique items to sell.
Wolydarg
You do know with a longbow you outrange the 3 dune borrowers right outside thirsty? Could've saved you 1k =P
I find for pve Elsywth's Recurve worked excellently from South Shiverpeaks on, since that's when I got it in tombs for like, 10k.. PvE rarely requires perfect mods on your weapons, unless you're farming and need a specific mod or something. So I guess the prices for mods aren't too bad for the casual pve player, but if you wanted to convert your player to be able to GvG and stuff, then we're assuming you're a bit more "hard-core" and willing to spend more money for your character. IMO the prices are the way they are because people are willing to buy them at those prices...
I find for pve Elsywth's Recurve worked excellently from South Shiverpeaks on, since that's when I got it in tombs for like, 10k.. PvE rarely requires perfect mods on your weapons, unless you're farming and need a specific mod or something. So I guess the prices for mods aren't too bad for the casual pve player, but if you wanted to convert your player to be able to GvG and stuff, then we're assuming you're a bit more "hard-core" and willing to spend more money for your character. IMO the prices are the way they are because people are willing to buy them at those prices...
Baby Raiven
Is Urgaz Longbow that Rare and hard to get?? Why is it so damn expensive come on now..its no Crystalline sword (talking about the rareness)
Wolydarg
It takes like 4 hours to kill Urgoz, assuming your whole party of 12 makes it to the end(which hasn't happened to me yet) you have a 25% chance of getting a green weapon, 8.3 repeating % chance of getting Urgoz' Longbow. I mean, if you do 12 runs and spend 3 days doing it straight, you're bound to get a longbow, but since some of us have our sanity the prices are expensive...