in-game 'policemen'

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

After spending a lot of time in Shing Jea Monestary last night, I think it is time for this. I think A-net should have some of us players (maybe voted on from the fansites?) as designated policemen. Whether our policemen identity should 'hidden' or not from everyone else, I'm not really sure. I think that when someone spams the chat windows, or curses way too much, or puts W*T*S in the general chat, or is found to be scamming, etc...that person should be fined a certain amount of gold (which will increase with each offense). If a person tries to bypass this by not keeping any gold on the character, I guess either there will be a way to automatically take the money from storage, or from another player on the account. There's really no reason not to put this in; with most of the players here I'm sure they'd never even get fined once. But there are a LOT of little kids and really immature players - I'm sure everyone who was in Shing Jea last night would agree, and it's time something is done. It would not only be somewhat of a money sink for Anet, but it would also cut down on a lot of offensive behavior.

striderkaaru

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

power corrupts.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Well there wouldn't be much of an ego, because the identities of the policemen would probably be hidden. And they wouldnt be getting the fine money, Anet would be, so there isnt really an incentive to fine people unless they are really doing something wrong.

Wretchman Drake

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

It's just a game, whoever spends enough time in towns to listen to little 12 year olds type in caps random and rude things should just move on and not care. Anyone with a life would, anyways. There is no need for policemen...

/notsigned

General Typhus

General Typhus

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Behind the bush once again

Guillotine Tactics [GanK] ~ Leader

W/E

I'd fine people just for the sake of fining them.

Does-it-Matter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
Well there wouldn't be much of an ego, because the identities of the policemen would probably be hidden. And they wouldnt be getting the fine money, Anet would be, so there isnt really an incentive to fine people unless they are really doing something wrong.
Regardless if its known or not... I can see it now.

"Watch this... you just lost 500 gold! Don't believe me? There's 2k gone!"

"What? 35k for an IDS? You nOOb! Here, I'm sure you can do without 20k..."

Players shouldn't have power over other players, because they you institute power over your peers. You need to be seperate from your peers if you have power over them.

If you have an account (i.e. 99.9% of the people here) you shouldn't have a "power" role over them. Conflicting interests.

Also, personally, I don't think anyone who isn't directly employeed or condonded by ANet should have power in the game. Essentially when you are given direct power over another player, you are able to dictate rules. And thusly, ANet should monitor said people.

Veripare

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, Ontario

The main issue was addressed, Guild Wars has fallen into a state of 'lawlessness.' Go into any town or outpost and ask "How many of you have read the EULA?" and hear the the howling from everyone in the area saying that A.Net doesn't listen, or care. Riiiiiiight

I reported a player for pretending to be a 'policeman' and got a reply saying that they'll investigate...If this gets implimented, there will have to be a way to tell if a 'policeman' is or isn't one at all.

Also, if you do become a 'policeman,' I can just imagine that people will get a hold of your name an then you'll be getting tons of PMs from random little kids saying "LAWLERZ, BAN J03 D()UGH CUZ H3 A SC4MM3R!!!!!!!11!!!eleven!!1one"

...Overall, it would be veri useful; /signed by Veripare Star

unholy guardian

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

eh runescape has player mods... and yet they seem to have it worse off than the gw community, it just doesn't work, hiring baby sitters for a game would just cost money, giving normal people power than can be abused it just wrong. Then you have the whiners begging to be the police too.

Everyone here should be happy if there is a real annoyance their is an ignore list, you don't have anything like zoneing away, or real ignore in real life.

/not signed

Mo Joe Joe Joe

Mo Joe Joe Joe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Where the sun don't shine

Mo/E

I really hate goin thru the trouble of reporting scammers to not be able to know if "my claims" were validated and any lashings handed out.

I do not like the fellow gamers policeman idea, sorry. Too ripe for abuse, would open a whole new can of worms.
/unsigned.

Instead Public Executions; would put the fear in the griefers. maybe a warning the first offense then OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! (sorry for caps...got a lil excited... whew). Hmm .....maybe I would like to be an in-game policeman.... Do we get guns?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Theres already GMs in the game -.-

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter
Regardless if its known or not... I can see it now.


"What? 35k for an IDS? You nOOb! Here, I'm sure you can do without 20k..."
There's clearly a difference between trying to rip someone off, and scamming people. Ripping people off isn't illegal - but putting 35 gold in the trade window when you're supposed to put 35k is, or at least it should be.

Beat_Go_Stick

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

I'd rather have the power to mute people.....oh, wait.....I can already do that!

xiaokai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Mo/Me

/notsigned

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

/notsigned

Aweful idea. I don't like the fact that I can be trying to sell something to someone and they don't like the price so they take 20k out of my storage or something.

If you see a problem, report it to ANET thats what they are for. Don't suggest things that could easily mess up the game :-\

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

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Lol Lag caused me to double..er triple post, I dont know how, but I sorry.

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Theres already GMs in the game -.-
No there aren't...

Does-it-Matter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
There's clearly a difference between trying to rip someone off, and scamming people. Ripping people off isn't illegal - but putting 35 gold in the trade window when you're supposed to put 35k is, or at least it should be.
Oh, you misunderstand. This wasn't an example of what a "policeman" would do. But it's an example of the mentality of people who play this game, I've seen the exact example (well, without the taking away of 20k part).

All I'm trying to say is people tend to get mad regardless of whatever the situation is. Chances are, for everything said or done, there is someone in the game who hates you for it.

Now, if you give people power...

Many people are innocent or at least benevolent. The small minority of the population are actually "predators." It's in everyones nature, yes, but often enough not a dominant personality.

Though, there are people who are, for lack of a better word, assholes. They might take a situation, and for whatever reason, jump down your throat for it.

Sometimes you can identify these people. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes power brings this out in a person.

All I'm saying is, if you pick a person from within the GW population, no matter how much you screen, a percentage are going to abuse the power.

If they have characters, they are now going to have to choose between playing the characters or being the policeman. That's going to cause conflict.

Either they play the "police" when its convenient to them (often enough when someone annoys them and "inspires" them to lay down the law?), or they play their character and shirk their responsibilities.

A policeman needs to be only a policeman, a player needs to be only a player. The more you blur those lines, the more you make room for abuse.

inscribed

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Typhus
I'd fine people just for the sake of fining them.
So would I.

Gizmo Loco

Gizmo Loco

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

/anti-sign

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

Whoops, GG comcast. sorry for the uber posts.

Arknow

Arknow

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Middle of Space, Corner of No and Where

Ell EFF GEE

R/



easiest way to not have to deal with them types

Lord Oranos

Lord Oranos

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fort Aspenwood

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevin
No there aren't...
Actualy, yes they are ingame, I remember seeing once purple text saying not to spam in all chat, and once in ra, though I dont remember the message in that one.

Aki Soyokaze

Aki Soyokaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver

/not signed

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Across The Battle
/notsigned

Aweful idea. I don't like the fact that I can be trying to sell something to someone and they don't like the price so they take 20k out of my storage or something.

If you see a problem, report it to ANET thats what they are for. Don't suggest things that could easily mess up the game :-\
you somehow managed to completely miss my point not once, not twice, but 3 times in this thread.

report it to ANET...LOL

Caleb

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arknow


easiest way to not have to deal with them types

Quoted for posterity....

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arknow


easiest way to not have to deal with them types
ah yes very good.

A tip... this is... i must take...

If you want policeman, Anet has to pay them. If Anet has to pay them, we have to pay Anet. Do you see?

tryptamine_xxp

tryptamine_xxp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Desolation Lords

A/

to OP: ive thought of that aswell.. it lasted about 4 seconds in my mind and i still think it was a long time -- pff ye like getting kicked off other games-programs from admins for personal conflict with eachother... i think nothing like that will ever happen

Wretchman Drake

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arknow


easiest way to not have to deal with them types
Amen.

/notsigned

art_

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

I want to be in the GW secret police. I would be so corrupt >;-D

Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

the 7th level of HELL! J/K Somewhere in GW assassinating things

[acid]members of the KAWS alliance

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hmm *dons his defender o anet armor* hmmm methinks THIS could be my uniform? /flex


oh and yah, power corrupts, but maybe some GMs that Anet actually hires IRL... I would be fair tho....*devil horns*

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

The only way I would support this idea is if I was the only policeman, or should I say dictator haha!

I don't trust any one else.

Nocere Moriari

Nocere Moriari

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Bolivia

Ancient of Days

N/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
ah yes very good.

A tip... this is... i must take...

If you want policeman, Anet has to pay them. If Anet has to pay them, we have to pay Anet. Do you see?

Yes the original post that started all this missed this simple point stated by Terra Xin , if there is or will be game police that is Anet job to get them,pay them ( 8 hr job playing GW) 3 eight hour shifts ....lol

The idea to give normal player police power is crazy that would be like Anet forming there own pretotian guard in game. and likemany peolpe stated many would fine and mess with other poeple just for the hell of it.

/Not signed for normal player police
/ signed for Anet to do something to control the game in general

Hidden in the Mist

Hidden in the Mist

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arknow


easiest way to not have to deal with them types
Uncheck the Team chat then you're good to go.

The milk shake

The milk shake

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Pre-Searing Ascalon

R/

/notsigned
no way, i bet some rich ebay noob is gonna bribe the policemen into doing his/her bidding

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter
Players shouldn't have power over other players, because they you institute power over your peers. You need to be seperate from your peers if you have power over them.
Hmm, kinda like PvP has power over PvE with favor (thus locking PvE content)? Or how only the huge alliances with power have access to Elite missions (Still)? hehe /end sarcasm

On Topic; I would love to see Anet reps pop into game once in a while and throw out temp bans to people that abuse the system. Do that just at random times during the day and do it often enough and some players would behave themselves.

Silent Kitty

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

There should be a seperate chat for people who like to use bad words, like the one there is already for people who type "WTS". An invisible chat, which can only be seen by GW employees, so they can deal with it acordingly. So when you type the word "noob", the whole sentence will be moved elswhere.

No police please.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by striderkaaru
power corrupts.
QFT.

Plus, it would just cause more trouble if players were GMss, simply becuse if they do something wrong, someone would have to "police" the "policemen/policewomen".