About the problem of overpriced items...
thesecondrei
Why does a.net not implement a weapons and shield crafter NPC that offers every single skin in the game? Common skins would be crafted for cheap, while rare skins would be a bit more expensive. This would completely get rid of the grind in this game because quite simply, grinding/farming for gold would not even be necessary since everything can be bought from the NPC. Players would be able to suit their RPG character with any gear they want to without having to farm for months in order to shell out the big bucks for that rare skin. This would also cut down on the ebay gold business since outlandish amounts of gold would not be needed anymore. I know some of you people say that this would destroy the economy, but with this idea, an economy between players would not even be necessary since everything can be brought from the NPC for reasonable amounts of gold.
MMSDome
uummmmmm maybe because the game would get boring and not as fun?
Esprit
There would be no economy if every skin is available at a crafter. It's the fact that skins are rare that players will play certain areas, in hopes that they'll get that one drop that will be awesome. If everyone had a Celestial Bow or Zodiac Axe etc... then it would get boring.
The ebay gold will always be there if there are bots.
The ebay gold will always be there if there are bots.
Erasculio
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Originally Posted by thesecondrei
Why does a.net not implement a weapons and shield crafter NPC that offers every single skin in the game? Common skins would be crafted for cheap, while rare skins would be a bit more expensive.
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If you want to remove farming from the game, remove gold, and just let NPCs at any given location give to you whatever it is you want. Anything. That would completely destroy the in game economy, make gold and trading pointless, would make farming also pointless (just get rid of random drops while you're there), and would reduce grinding to a minimum.
And a lot of people would hate that.
I would love it, though. Especially because this...
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thesecondrei
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Originally Posted by MMSDome
uummmmmm maybe because the game would get boring and not as fun?
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Zinger314
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Originally Posted by thesecondrei
uummmmmm, so grinding for a long time to get that 500k skin is fun?
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To you, obviously not.
The 500k skin represents value. It means something. It shouldn't be available to all players.
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by thesecondrei
uummmmmm, so grinding for a long time to get that 500k skin is fun?
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thesecondrei
Also why do you people even give a shit if there is an economy or not? Do you actually LIKE spamming the trade channel with WTS or WTB rather than playing the game?
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by thesecondrei
Also why do you people even give a shit if there is an economy or not? Do you actually LIKE spamming the trade channel with WTS or WTB rather than playing the game?
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(PS: Flaming and egotism won't get you anywhere...)
Erasculio
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Also why do you people even give a shit if there is an economy or not? Do you actually LIKE spamming the trade channel with WTS or WTB rather than playing the game?
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Some like to buy things at low prices and sell them for high prices, thinking how they are smart for doing that.
Some want the most expensive thing, regardless of what it looks like, just to show how much money (and "how cool") they are.
Some just think that, since they had to "work" to get what they have today, everyone should have to work like that.
Some believe that the fact they can grind for longer and harder than more people make them deserve better things - and if you don't grind like they do, it's your choice.
And etc...I obviously don't agree with any of the above (as is obvious in my somewhat bitter tone), but some people like those things, and apparently Arena Net doesn't have a problem with it, so...
Erasculio
lyra_song
I actually consider trading in GW to be a sport.
The ultimate extreme sport of actually finding a buyer or seller with the item you want at the price you want.
I guess im just a shopper :P Well..i am a girl so ya.
anyways....i agree with the above posts.
The ultimate extreme sport of actually finding a buyer or seller with the item you want at the price you want.
I guess im just a shopper :P Well..i am a girl so ya.
anyways....i agree with the above posts.
tear
The GW economy is already somewhat limited because of the nature of the no-grind, combat-based game. Skins do not affect your gameplay, and therefore provide some facet of "grind" and marketting for players that enjoy that sort of thing. It's a loophole that I feel adds to the game, and attracts players it might not otherwise. FoW armor exists for its aesthetics, making clear that the game developers have no problem with the need to "work" for those shiny unreachables.
Meiludor The Quick
Every RPG needs to have some rare hard to aquire items, that appeals to many, some to buy it, others to aquire it through complex questing, why would anyone attempt a difficult quest if there was not some nice drop at the end? What would be your motivation? Why would you do "The Deep" or "Urgotz" etc. It's what RPG's are about, discovery - finding something new, new area, new way to do something, new items etc. You don't have to buy it but if you want to then you have several choices:
1- You earn the item for yourself.
2- You earn the cash to buy it at the sellers price - this is what you were trying to do but having a problem- so do #1 then.
3- buy a cheaper but similarly modded weapon, or mod one yourself since thier damage output will be the same-true it won't look the same but u don't "NEED" it.
4 -do nothing.
1- You earn the item for yourself.
2- You earn the cash to buy it at the sellers price - this is what you were trying to do but having a problem- so do #1 then.
3- buy a cheaper but similarly modded weapon, or mod one yourself since thier damage output will be the same-true it won't look the same but u don't "NEED" it.
4 -do nothing.
The Great Al
its already bad enough that theres a level cap, so the only thing that makes people stand out are their armor and weapons...and maybe titles
KamikazeChicken
You don't -need- the rare skinned items. Enough said.
Functionality > Appearance any day.
Functionality > Appearance any day.
ID_Roto
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You don't -need- the rare skinned items. Enough said.
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It's just to keep players playing, GW has enough room for all the people that come here to play their way. (Just not the bots...)
Vahn Roi
I've been a blue user since day one (got a 20/20 collectors holy staff from someone in Piken for 500g) and I personally prefer to show off my economic standing through expensive armor and complex dye mixes, but that's just me.
I'd be happy to weild a 20% Recharge +5^50 Carboard toilet tissue tube...
I'd be happy to weild a 20% Recharge +5^50 Carboard toilet tissue tube...
Hidden in the Mist
Either your farm the gold to get the skin you like or you brush it off and continue with your life.
Slainster
for me its not so much as trying to get the rare drop for cash as it is to be able to say i got the drop, if i pick up an uber rare drop, i tend to keep them anyway..
Nexium
price's on item's have hit rock bottom anyway's some perfect item's arent worth much att all...
Draco Hunt
Sorry to say this but this topic is actualy pretty old. And i appologize for what i'm about to say but this pretty much revolves arround jealousy. Some people have luck some people have farms some people are verry unlucky(I've been unlucky for a big period of time so i know why you would like every skin to be available.).
But this would take out:
1: The replayability of the game.
2: Personality creation by effort.
3: The fun of finding ways to get a certain item.
If you don't like the farming comunity don't do it(although i'm pretty sure you do it as well). It is a way of playing the game and the game allows it. That some weapons are overprized ok i agree maybe some prices should be lowered. But for certain things it is just so hard to get that the effort should bring you atlewast the ammount of money it is worth(in this economy).
And furthermore you don't have to grind endlessly for things you want, just think realy well about what you want first make that your goal and go for it. Eventualy you can get it.
By my opinion this topic should be closed but that is not up to me. I bet if you find that perfect drop worth hundreds of K's you wont think of this topic anymore.
But this would take out:
1: The replayability of the game.
2: Personality creation by effort.
3: The fun of finding ways to get a certain item.
If you don't like the farming comunity don't do it(although i'm pretty sure you do it as well). It is a way of playing the game and the game allows it. That some weapons are overprized ok i agree maybe some prices should be lowered. But for certain things it is just so hard to get that the effort should bring you atlewast the ammount of money it is worth(in this economy).
And furthermore you don't have to grind endlessly for things you want, just think realy well about what you want first make that your goal and go for it. Eventualy you can get it.
By my opinion this topic should be closed but that is not up to me. I bet if you find that perfect drop worth hundreds of K's you wont think of this topic anymore.
The Herbalizer
are you just lazy or something? I dont want to work for anything and I want everything given to me. I think everyone should have fow armor as grinding is boring to me so I want it cheap.
Collectors and green items not good enough for you? Zomg i need a perfect crystalline sword.
Anet will never do it so quit winging. Its not hard to make gold and maybe you should stop being lazy.
Collectors and green items not good enough for you? Zomg i need a perfect crystalline sword.
Anet will never do it so quit winging. Its not hard to make gold and maybe you should stop being lazy.
FalconDance
Before Factions (way before) when my ranger was roaming the lands of Tyria, she saw a high-level wielding a feathered longbow. It was sooooo cool looking and she set about trying to find (not farming rather limits the odds of a find but it's not impossible and crafted ones weren't that good really as well as being very expensive). Although she ended up with three different ones (all modded differently) by end-game, it was apparent that the feathered skin was relatively rare and highly desireable. New players ooohed and ahhhhed over the bow and perhaps dreamed of having one just as she had in the beginning.
Then Factions came out. One of the first bows that dropped on Shing Jea was a short bow---with a feathered skin!
What blasphemy was this?!?
Her 'rare' skinned bow was no longer desireable but rather was ho-hum. Now everyone wanted the Celestial (got one), the Bramble (still looking for a good one), or a bat-winged bow (still contemplating).
My ranger collects bows--and uses them. I refuse, however, to pay 250K for Urgoz's longbow. You have the choice to pay the crazy prices, go out and find your own rare skins, or simply use whatever weapon you find that is effective. Having a merchant or crafter whip up every skin in the game won't change those choices.
Then Factions came out. One of the first bows that dropped on Shing Jea was a short bow---with a feathered skin!
What blasphemy was this?!?Her 'rare' skinned bow was no longer desireable but rather was ho-hum. Now everyone wanted the Celestial (got one), the Bramble (still looking for a good one), or a bat-winged bow (still contemplating).
My ranger collects bows--and uses them. I refuse, however, to pay 250K for Urgoz's longbow. You have the choice to pay the crazy prices, go out and find your own rare skins, or simply use whatever weapon you find that is effective. Having a merchant or crafter whip up every skin in the game won't change those choices.
WasAGuest
I can also see why there is a desire to have all skins available; mainly cause I have horrid luck on finding any loot when I play. I mean, horrid. heh
Using the ranger example as above, I have yet to find a bow with better stats than the custom made Ascalon Collector bow I made ages back... that's how poor my luck is.
Personally, though, I honestly never really pay attention to what another player is wielding nor do I honestly care. I never, and I mean never, buy/purchase/sell to other players. I've sold and trashed green items to merchants (from tombs), sold perfect mods (usually from axes and staves - which I have no need for) to merchants simply because I don't have the patience to stand around for five minutes saying WTS.
Skins should be kept as finds for the most part, but I feel we need some of the skins to be craftable and used as money sinks.
Jade and Amber should have weapon carfters wanting those components.
Platinum weapons need crafters that need actual Platinum bars (made by handing over mass platinum).
And so on. Other skins need to remain rare though just for the "Oooh" factor. It does make it fun for many... not me as I don't really think about it much, but... yea.
Using the ranger example as above, I have yet to find a bow with better stats than the custom made Ascalon Collector bow I made ages back... that's how poor my luck is.
Personally, though, I honestly never really pay attention to what another player is wielding nor do I honestly care. I never, and I mean never, buy/purchase/sell to other players. I've sold and trashed green items to merchants (from tombs), sold perfect mods (usually from axes and staves - which I have no need for) to merchants simply because I don't have the patience to stand around for five minutes saying WTS.
Skins should be kept as finds for the most part, but I feel we need some of the skins to be craftable and used as money sinks.
Jade and Amber should have weapon carfters wanting those components.
Platinum weapons need crafters that need actual Platinum bars (made by handing over mass platinum).
And so on. Other skins need to remain rare though just for the "Oooh" factor. It does make it fun for many... not me as I don't really think about it much, but... yea.
pyrohex
Not having everything available simulates a sense of accomplishment, something that keeps people hooked and playing.
This thread is complete flamebait, by the way.
This thread is complete flamebait, by the way.
krak harpie
If this game is too difficult or challenging, maybe you would be interested in a nice on-line puzzle or perhaps Pac-Man.
WasAGuest
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If this game is too difficult or challenging, maybe you would be interested in a nice on-line puzzle or perhaps Pac-Man.
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chomp chomp chomp
What does this have to do with skins though?
chomp chomp chomp
Cleavage
I love the last 2 posts and agree totally.
To the post about the feathered longbow.... collectors have them now also with 15^50 hehe.
There are people that only play this game for the economy. Its like a stock market game and it gives great pleasure. I think that alot of nice items and armor have been made too available for some and there needs to be even harder to get items added. Heck lets get a new Factions only style UW or Fissure and get Elite Armor.
If everyone had the same stuff then why play the game.I sure wouldnt. I stopped playing for a few months before factions came out because of the last new area with Victo's crap. All those new greens in a constant easy to farm area just killed the economy and self accomplishment level.
There are some things that arent meant for everyone and darnit thats how it should be.
If you see something you like and want learn skills to get it. Learn to buy and sell. Learn to farm. Spend the time and hope for that drop. Do what it takes. Or just use easy to obtain collectors weapons and deal with it.
To the post about the feathered longbow.... collectors have them now also with 15^50 hehe.
There are people that only play this game for the economy. Its like a stock market game and it gives great pleasure. I think that alot of nice items and armor have been made too available for some and there needs to be even harder to get items added. Heck lets get a new Factions only style UW or Fissure and get Elite Armor.
If everyone had the same stuff then why play the game.I sure wouldnt. I stopped playing for a few months before factions came out because of the last new area with Victo's crap. All those new greens in a constant easy to farm area just killed the economy and self accomplishment level.
There are some things that arent meant for everyone and darnit thats how it should be.
If you see something you like and want learn skills to get it. Learn to buy and sell. Learn to farm. Spend the time and hope for that drop. Do what it takes. Or just use easy to obtain collectors weapons and deal with it.
Funk ee Monk ee
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price's on item's have hit rock bottom anyway's some perfect item's arent worth much att all...
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When you can get a 20/20 sundering max axe req 9, +5 energy and enchants last 20% longer for 5k ... can you imagine what such a weapon would have brought 6 months ago? 100k + 100 ecto? If you can't afford 3k for a max weapon mod (for staves at least) you really need to evaluate how you are playing the game.
Draco Hunt
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If this game is too difficult or challenging, maybe you would be interested in a nice on-line puzzle or perhaps Pac-Man.
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Tookis Elite
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uummmmmm, so grinding for a long time to get that 500k skin is fun?
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if we all beat the missions and the end of the game n all and we had the coolest stuff we wanted in whatever skin we liked the game would be POINTLESS, the only thing that keeps me playin since ive beaten both games is my want for the coolest lookin stuffs in the game, a max req 8 15^50 furious of fortitude crystalline sword, a +30 - 2 stance shadow sheild (not a green) etc. etc. if i had that stuff already game would be pointless and boring imo.
(and thered be nuthing to farm for, u'd just repeat quests over n over n over for nuthing)
Fist_of_God
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I've been a blue user since day one (got a 20/20 collectors holy staff from someone in Piken for 500g) and I personally prefer to show off my economic standing through expensive armor and complex dye mixes, but that's just me.
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BoT..I prefer showing my economic standing through collecting the best golds and rarest skins, instead of armor, but to each his own. Anyone can have FoW sets for all their toons, but do they have a rare gold Crystalline or any other choice of skin that appeals to you?
For me.. collecting weapons gives me a goal. For others, they could care less about skins or armor, or whether an item is green, blue, purple, or the coveted perfect gold. Maybe a peek at my humble mule #1 inventory will get the ball rolling for you. Thats what did it for me, seeing all those uber cool/pricey skins. Without some type of goal after you finish the game, it really becomes boring, unless you enjoy pvping 24/7.
Yes, Pac-Man RULEZ!!! and Ms. Pac-Man is a hottie!
fenix
firstly, what problem?
secondly, I don't see any overpriced items, I see horribly underpriced ones, and ones that are prices just nicely. in fact, because items are so underpriced recently, I'm almost out of money. stupid factions
secondly, I don't see any overpriced items, I see horribly underpriced ones, and ones that are prices just nicely. in fact, because items are so underpriced recently, I'm almost out of money. stupid factions
Ariana Of Damia
I dont think that will help much, it would help for people who are farming to get weapons / money for weapons. But there are people who need money (gold) for various other things. There will still be those who farm for cash to buy the ingame items that they want
Lets Get to Healing
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When you can get a 20/20 sundering max axe req 9, +5 energy and enchants last 20% longer for 5k ... can you imagine what such a weapon would have brought 6 months ago? 100k + 100 ecto? If you can't afford 3k for a max weapon mod (for staves at least) you really need to evaluate how you are playing the game. |
No, you wouldnt be able to buy it for 5k. If you could then the seller is
A) Rich
B) REALLY REALLY OUTRAGEOUSLY Desperate
C) A New Player
And no this is a bad idea.
The Herbalizer
I think he is referring to that new green which is like worthless. I am not 100% sure as greens disgust me and I only have time for golds 
He was getting at hod swords cost like 500k back in the day now you can get a perf +5 energy with mods for peanuts. Anet help the people who dont want to grind yet in some people's eyes it is not good enough and they want more and more and more.
Pro-Monk
What a concept! No economy and everybody gets everything they want without playing the game. I guess the object would be how quickly you could click "craft" at the Weapons NPC. Erm, rather doubtful Anet would take this suggestion to seriously ROFL
Gorebrex
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When you can get a 20/20 sundering max axe req 9, +5 energy and enchants last 20% longer for 5k ... can you imagine what such a weapon would have brought 6 months ago? 100k + 100 ecto? If you can't afford 3k for a max weapon mod (for staves at least) you really need to evaluate how you are playing the game. |
). Its why Ill never take another sales job. In game, itd probably take me a few weeks to get 3k, as I play all my characters(dont believe in muling, but am aware of benefits). Also, my warrior had an unmodded 1 off max damage Wingblade, but of course, its "worthless", because of ONE POINT! ROFL! That always cracks me up. Anyone have a one off max damage weapon, let me know, I might give you the "pittance that its worth". 
castanaveras
Pffft.....If everything is given to you, why even bother playing the game? Farming for the rare 'skin' items is the reason why I'm still playing GW.