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Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

07 Jul 2006 at 06:37 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

ya know what is sooooo dang funny is that people talk about PvE being extremely easy, then we get something hard like the Captain Rujiyo Missions and people whine until they die.

Yeah, it's hilarious when different people say different things based on their personal experiences.

markus_thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia(the land of lesser games)

neptunes grace

R/W

07 Jul 2006 at 06:43 - 42

I think bringing godly items into the game would make it a little unfair, true true.

tho a wepon with a decent skin that not many people have is a wonder in itself.

It could be obtained only through pve questing, maybe having to go to all the different chapters lands and completing a objective then finally after a challange you are rewarded with a wiked wepon, skin wise of course and you would feel owange because you didnt have to farm one perticulor spot for 5 hours to get it.

Thats what I hate in gw you mainly only obtain items through drops, or chests. If anet were to bring in other ways of colleting unique skins it would make the game more interesting

They started to do the whole give a wepon on completion in propercies but it never went very far.

I mean just imagine that for completing the titan missions instead of a useless 50,000 exp you recieved a titan wepon with a exlusive skin for completing the mission.

I'm getting tired of the whole Philosophy of " I hope I get lucky this time".

WLlama

Caged Mongrel

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cage in a Dungeon

Flaming Turtles

N/

07 Jul 2006 at 07:12 - 43

Well, if you add in superweapons most people are then going to complain about how easy monsters are to beat. This leads to higher lvl monsters for which godly weapons are need to kill and Anet will increase godly weapon drops to allow players to defeat the monsters. Afterwards, the cycle continues. So, this would amount to basically increasing the lvl cap on all weapons and monsters which would effectively leave us right back where we started. Just my thoughts on the matter though.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 07:18 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

No, I just want a PvE game that I can't just win by simple bodyblocking of enemies or bringing a minion master.

maybe you should start trying not bring a minion master or worrior for change. Learn how to really play the game with some skill also down size your group! stop using cookie cutter builds!

there is some mission i don't even bring a monk no more!

hack and slash!

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

07 Jul 2006 at 07:41 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamhunk

maybe you should start trying not bring a minion master or worrior for change. Learn how to really play the game with some skill also down size your group! stop using cookie cutter builds!

there is some mission i don't even bring a monk no more!

hack and slash!

That's great if you have a party who thinks exactly same way you do.

But for your average pug, that's a pretty unreasonable handicap and it would piss me off if someone decided to specifically take steps to make himself less effective so to make the game more difficult.

Even though I said Guild Wars isn't difficult, that doesn't mean I would want to play using my feet instead of my hands on the keyboard to make it more interesting, especially when I have 7 people depending on me.

WLlama

Caged Mongrel

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cage in a Dungeon

Flaming Turtles

N/

07 Jul 2006 at 07:47 - 46

That's why you play with crazy guildies who are willing to do absurd groupings with you. Guild groups FTW! (This, of course, assumes you have a guild.)

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

07 Jul 2006 at 07:53 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torn_Muffin

I mean that would keep the balance in PvP, and give something for PvE players too look forward for. Like a godly Legendary weapon, that takes forever to beat the quest...

er... how about no?

I have a massive dislike of the word "Godly", its a silly term which comes from Diablo 2 to describe overkill weapons which are super rare.

Nothing in Guild Wars is "godly", lets keep it that way. One of the things Guild Wars so appealing is the fact there is balance in armor and weapons.

GreatLich

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Jul 2006 at 08:03 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvndoom

The only disadvantage a PVE toon has is being forced to cap Elite skills instead of buying them with faction. Non-elites I just buy at Ember Light camp with my farming toon who has over 250 unused skill points and 900k gold. PVP-only players:

-are stuck with one set of armor (two is ideal) and cannot ever have a secondary armor set, be it for vanity or functionality
-cannot go to any town to buy and sell stuff
-only get 2 weapons and offhands, when ideally they need 3 sets minumum
-have no money to buy extra equipment (need PVE toon or friends / guildies to get money)
-cannot participate in festivals and special events
-cannot use candy canes to make 60% DP disappear in a flash

...and the list goes on and on. And you still want more?

uhm, Pvp characters have acces to Xunlai storage... your list is a little shorter than you think

The truth itself

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

First Degree

Mo/

07 Jul 2006 at 08:04 - 49

There is no "Best" items in Guild wars, lets keep it that way.

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Jul 2006 at 08:25 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvndoom

The only disadvantage a PVE toon has is being forced to cap Elite skills instead of buying them with faction. Non-elites I just buy at Ember Light camp with my farming toon who has over 250 unused skill points and 900k gold. PVP-only players:

-are stuck with one set of armor (two is ideal) and cannot ever have a secondary armor set, be it for vanity or functionality
-cannot go to any town to buy and sell stuff
-only get 2 weapons and offhands, when ideally they need 3 sets minumum
-have no money to buy extra equipment (need PVE toon or friends / guildies to get money)
-cannot participate in festivals and special events
-cannot use candy canes to make 60% DP disappear in a flash

...and the list goes on and on. And you still want more?

I dont want "more", I want PvP and PvE to stay separate. It sounds alot like the PvP players want to make PvP and PvE viturally identical, with the exception that PvP players only fight other players. Thats wrong. Theyre two completely different things, as it should be. Hell, its kinda like getting 2 games for the price of one. I never PvP though, so I cant say much about it, but PvP players ARENT supposed to do the same things as PvE characters, like go on quests and such. Keep PvP and PvE separate.

Tark Alkerk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

In a Black Hole

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07 Jul 2006 at 08:37 - 51

having "godly" weapons would totallay destroy the main aspect of the game.
unlike many other MMOS *cough* Wow, eve online *cough*
u don't need to have been playing for 3 years to be as good as the people who have been playing for 3 years. this apilies to eve especially.
so if this "godly" weapon just had a small dmg modification so instead if 15-22 its 15-23 this whould make the game partcularly unfair on the those of us who don't have a pve war (just for the sake of this it is a war) and every time they want to use one they have to make a pvp reroll.
also even if u do have a pve war,
not everyone has 100k plus which they would need to buy these weapons, and not every player has the time to do this quest that would take "ages".
there are some casual players out there who don't go near forums and don't have time to play 3-5 hours every night.
also in my opinion u alrdy have your godly weapons.
are the green items from the deep and the warren not good enough for u?
zodiac weapons have so much ornate decoration what more do u want?
a sword that does your work for u?

and lastly,
i am sick of people i meet in pvp who play with pve players and complain that by using a pvp char i am cheating, and that i ain't a real player, just because i don't have every skill i need on my pve ele and a 20/20 staff, nor the vast amounts of money that i would need for these things.
having godly weapons would just make the bondary even bigger for casual players and myself and all the other people who don't enjoy farming and long pve quests that much, and/or didn't buy money on ebay.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

07 Jul 2006 at 08:38 - 52

Isn't there an axe out there that has higher max damage, but lower minimum dmg in PvE? I remember getting freeked out.

No wait..it was lower max damage, but higher minimum damage....so still inferior..

Eavilexia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Black Rose Rebelion

N/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 10:22 - 53

uber lolz ?

pve is already so dynamic, if u dont like greens u can build your own perfect weapons, if u want pretty stuff in pvp grind them in pve, simple as that. leave it as is.

al i can say is, if u play guildwars to get "the best" item, u are playing hte wrong game, any item can be "best" with a diff build

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

PvE is the Metagame

07 Jul 2006 at 13:36 - 54

While in other games there are hundreds of useful weapon mods (sufixes, prefixes), in GW we only have a few, look at the greens almost all items have the same stats: +30 life, +5 energy, 20% skill recharge or similar.
PvP may be balanced this way but PvE is suffering and is dumbed down because of this. PvE has no chance to get more useful weapon mods because it may create unbalance in PvP. Now everyone is running around with the same wepons mods, just different skins. This is simply wrong and not fun either and playing wow or diablo2 will not fix guildwars.

[x]yes, there should be PvE only items

Rent

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Darkness Within

Mo/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 14:08 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildi

While in other games there are hundreds of useful weapon mods (sufixes, prefixes), in GW we only have a few, look at the greens almost all items have the same stats: +30 life, +5 energy, 20% skill recharge or similar.
PvP may be balanced this way but PvE is suffering and is dumbed down because of this. PvE has no chance to get more useful weapon mods because it may create unbalance in PvP. Now everyone is running around with the same wepons mods, just different skins. This is simply wrong and not fun either and playing wow or diablo2 will not fix guildwars.

[x]yes, there should be PvE only items

Why add "PvE items" when instead they could simply add more mods?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

07 Jul 2006 at 14:19 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

inscribed never said skill balance either...

Quote:

Originally Posted by inscribed

Sorry, game balance is determined solely by PvP, not by PvE.

No he didnt say skill, but i am assuming he means balance as in skill nerfs and buffs are due to PvP metagame. But stating that any one part of a whole controls the balance of the whole is already unbalanced.

There shouldnt items that are available in PvE only that can unbalance the PvP parts of it. Kvndoom mentioned some things PvP only chars are lacking in.

PvP and PvE should continue to intertwine until theres no distinction. Thats true balance.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

07 Jul 2006 at 14:35 - 57

the OP's request is ridiculous. the reasons why are left as an exercise to the reader. (they should be obvious.)

eudas

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

07 Jul 2006 at 14:41 - 58

unconditional weapons are godly as they offer dmg always. 1x% always with no drawbacks is pretty godly to me anyway. they range from 400k ish for a non max one to 1000 ectos for a nice skin / perfect one. unbalanced as hell too

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 14:50 - 59

I think the route of this problem is rpg players want rewards fitting for their hard work in the game.

The player base is rpg players don't forget that!

I would like to point out here ! this one of the reasons rpg player will never ever get along with pvp players!

rpg want better rpg not more hack and slash!

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

07 Jul 2006 at 15:33 - 60

dreamhunk, i've said it before, i'll say it again:
YOU'RE PLAYING THE WRONG FRIGGIN' GAME.

Go play Planescape:Torment or Baldur's Gate again.

It's getting to the point where I almost don't think you're a real person anymore -- I'm starting to think that you're just a troll who's invented this "I R TEH RPGAR!!!1!" personality simply to bait us.

eudas

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 15:35 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

dreamhunk, i've said it before, i'll say it again:
YOU'RE PLAYING THE WRONG FRIGGIN' GAME.

Go play Planescape:Torment or Baldur's Gate again.

eudas

they way pvp players are push pve i grantee guilwars will not make next year!

hhhhmm how well did factions do tell me! how meny people anet got mad tell me please

How goes ha with your fame!

i was right with all of them!

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

07 Jul 2006 at 16:00 - 62

Well, we all know my ego is the only thing keeping the Earth spinning at this point... (it's currently the size of Canada and growing)

However, it's all a matter of opinion. Personally, I wanted really freaking sweet looking armor instead of a golden emote. I worked hard for the armor, and got it. I feel just as gratified as a person who worked hard to get that big freaking pea-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO emote or whatever it is :P

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

07 Jul 2006 at 16:01 - 63

lol it censored my bird... probably should've left out the hypen..

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

07 Jul 2006 at 16:13 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamhunk

they way pvp players are push pve i grantee guilwars will not make next year!

hhhhmm how well did factions do tell me! how meny people anet got mad tell me please

How goes ha with your fame!

i was right with all of them!

Um...im trying really hard not to find this funny. But it is.

You are delusional my friend ^_^

Guild Wars will survive you and your ranting because its a good game. Its nice mix of pve and pvp.

Factions is doing well regardless of how many angry players there, because the sample size does not indicate anything but a minority. Unless Anet has official figures of how many "angry" players there are vs how many "content" players.

And another thing, angry players are usually STILL players. -.- Look at you!? You said you were quitting, yet here you are and you keep posting. >.<

Even though some players get angry, they still play the game because theres a part of it they do like. The group of players who truly got frustrated enough to up and leave never really liked Guild Wars in the first place imo, or it wasnt the right game for them.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

07 Jul 2006 at 16:35 - 65

must of the slaes os from the fisrt chapter!

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

07 Jul 2006 at 16:39 - 66

You want legendary weapon... you got one!

Introducing.....
Gwen Ultimate Fire Wand
1000-10000 Damage (req 1 red cape)
+100% damage against characters taller than Gwen
100/100 Armor Penetration
+5 Evil Power

Winx.ZN

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

07 Jul 2006 at 16:47 - 67

Does the possibility of Dwarven Axes and Crystalline sword (with max damage) exist outside of HoH chests? Ive seen one drop... ever... in PvE. A purple dwarven axe from a FoW quest chest after my 1000th trip.
Fine, not "uber-godly" weapons, same stats as always but :
new, unique, sweet, shiny, sexy skin
EG : When you become "Kind of a Big Deal" you get to wield a weapon that is kind of a big deal too.
You are Protector of Cantha? Here, get this unique skin item. Has a skin for every class in the game and you get to pick the stats (fow style weapons).
Protector of Tyria? Heres the ability to take a trip to Dwaynas realm to craft Spirit Armor (or whatever).
Finished Titans Source? Craft titan armor or use the bosses toe as an offhand or sumin. 50k XP when I already have 3 million isnt a big deal.
BUT we have CASUAL players who WILL NEVER get it! Yeah, those casual players wont see FoW armor anytime either. Theres enough out there for the casual player, give us something for hardcore PvE players. (The elite missions? Been there, done that. Got the Bow and the Axe. Hardly unique since every trip has them drop.)
I would have been really happy if once you beat Urgoz when you knelt by Melandrus Shrine you got to be taken to a different place or sumin. Or Kanaxai too.
I DONT want "godly" weapons. I hate the concept. "hey guess what, i just pwned the lich with one hit from my 155-1220 sword." Customizing my character, giving him a unique feel from everyone else is something I do like. Hence why i FoWed my monk. I just got 15k kurzick for my necro and I cant stop thinking how good he looks.
Someone on the forum pasted a picture of their sword which was a runner up... that was a SWEET looking sword. I want it. Bad. Give me that for becoming Protector of Cantha!
Something that doesnt affect PvP : aggro bubble. Got 100% map completion? Heres an item, that since you know the land so well and all that, makes your aggro bubble smaller. I dont care casual players will not get these items unless they buy them for ridiculous amounts since they arent supposed to get them since they havent completed the requierments anyway.

Shortyafter

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Cute Cuddly Kittens [Purr]

07 Jul 2006 at 17:20 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

Something that doesnt affect PvP : aggro bubble. Got 100% map completion? Heres an item, that since you know the land so well and all that, makes your aggro bubble smaller. I dont care casual players will not get these items unless they buy them for ridiculous amounts since they arent supposed to get them since they havent completed the requierments anyway.

Imba, easier ganking. Especially past Flame Sentinels.

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

07 Jul 2006 at 17:28 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvndoom

The only disadvantage a PVE toon has is being forced to cap Elite skills instead of buying them with faction. Non-elites I just buy at Ember Light camp with my farming toon who has over 250 unused skill points and 900k gold. PVP-only players:

-are stuck with one set of armor (two is ideal) and cannot ever have a secondary armor set, be it for vanity or functionality
-cannot go to any town to buy and sell stuff
-only get 2 weapons and offhands, when ideally they need 3 sets minumum
-have no money to buy extra equipment (need PVE toon or friends / guildies to get money)
-cannot participate in festivals and special events
-cannot use candy canes to make 60% DP disappear in a flash

...and the list goes on and on. And you still want more?

This and the fact that there are no drops in pvp is why I play primarily PVE

MDeshame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

07 Jul 2006 at 17:30 - 70

Ask the top 20-30 guilds why there isn't any PvE only items. They are the ones that dictate what happens in game with the non-stop whining about everything that upsets their winning streak.

That and the game is more focused on PvP, PvE is just a training ground for PvP.

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

07 Jul 2006 at 17:58 - 71

I think all of you complain too much.

Anyways, they should add some sort of epic quest (i.e., long series of quests that takes months to complete) that lets you obtain some equal item with a unique skin. Then again, I doubt they could actually manage to make PvE difficult. :]

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

07 Jul 2006 at 18:09 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatLich

uhm, Pvp characters have acces to Xunlai storage... your list is a little shorter than you think

lol? He's saying, without a PvE character, your ways to make gold are extremely limited. Like, limited to selling whatever drops for you from the chest in Hall of Heroes. Assuming you make it that far, and if you get a drop at all, which you likely won't. <_<

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

07 Jul 2006 at 18:33 - 73

They already have a mission that takes forever "Thunderhead Keep" .... enough said

Winx.ZN

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

07 Jul 2006 at 18:53 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shortyafter

Imba, easier ganking. Especially past Flame Sentinels.

Fine then, have those items have the same tag than holiday items. Not usable in PvP. Hey, smaller aggro bubble isnt a great idea anyway. Just throwing stuff out there.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

07 Jul 2006 at 19:02 - 75

If you want a game where you can go PWNZOR because you put in like 2000 hours to do some uber 1337 quest, go play Runescape or something similar. The Guild Wars equivalent is very very different. It's... *gasp* knowledge. In your head. Once you've been playing for long enough, if you have your brain switched on, things will get easier for you because you will think of better ways to do stuff, and therefore you will get better at them.

Example: The "uber yeti-smiting" weapons. No. What you need is an uber-yeti-smiting build. Which you make by (zomg) observing how yetis fight and then coming up with a counter build to it. This is how Guild Wars rewards skill and not hours played. Are people who play longer going to be richer/have more items? Probably. But if you can figure out how to out-think them, you might end up someday as rich as they are. Could you copy some build you find on here? Yep, but the key is to always be thinking about how you could make it better.

To sum up, skill and information is the "uber-pwn" weapon for PvE. You always know that those mobs are going to be running the EXACT SAME BUILD that they were last time, and if you paid attention to it, you should COUNTER it.

Dzan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Black Dye Cartel

08 Jul 2006 at 00:03 - 76

There is pve only equipment already. Any less than perfect item is pve only.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

08 Jul 2006 at 03:51 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

You want legendary weapon... you got one!

Introducing.....
Gwen Ultimate Fire Wand
1000-10000 Damage (req 1 red cape)
+100% damage against characters taller than Gwen
100/100 Armor Penetration
+5 Evil Power

The requirement should be 1 tapestry shred not 1 red cape, you can buy those.

Jas

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

Piken Square - American District 1

The Everchanging Path [lost]

Mo/E

08 Jul 2006 at 05:18 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

dreamhunk, i've said it before, i'll say it again:
YOU'RE PLAYING THE WRONG FRIGGIN' GAME.

Go play Planescape:Torment or Baldur's Gate again.

It's getting to the point where I almost don't think you're a real person anymore -- I'm starting to think that you're just a troll who's invented this "I R TEH RPGAR!!!1!" personality simply to bait us.

eudas

It was over year ago when I 1st time entered the PvP-arena only to find out that the people there take the "friggin' game" way too seriously. Ever since I frequently visit Random Arenas/other PvP-stuff just to remind myself why I feel so comfortable while staying in PvE only - it's the people that think that this game is made just for the one aspect of it - PvP.
THIS FRIGGIN' GAME IS BOTH PvE and PvP- - - it needs both of it's aspects to be the awesome game it is and without the other there would not be the other either.

Now stop whining --- both sides.

And... when I want to play online, I really don't wanna play Torment or Baldurs, GW looks soooo much better

Thus I'd suggest you PvP-people take on the good old "Conan the Barbarian"-game for Commodore 64/128 . . . It was the ultimate pvp. No need to run around in PvE for getting equipment or skills, it was purely player skill.

Tark Alkerk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

In a Black Hole

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E/

08 Jul 2006 at 06:08 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamhunk

I think the route of this problem is rpg players want rewards fitting for their hard work in the game.

The player base is rpg players don't forget that!

I would like to point out here ! this one of the reasons rpg player will never ever get along with pvp players!

rpg want better rpg not more hack and slash!

this game is definatly not for u if u think that this game is based around pve,
because it ain't (the clue is in the title)
so if u want a game were there is a advantage over people who have just started playing, to those who have been playing for years go play runescape or eve.
one of the main ideas of gw is that u don't need to have been playing since release to be as good as some one that has.

Elena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Belgium

08 Jul 2006 at 07:51 - 80

theyre already in the game think off spear of archemerous (sp ?) and urn of saint viktor sure u can only use em in a couple of missions but hey wouldnt u call em godly :P