[merged] Touch Rangers

Seems like people have no problems with touch rangers then. Seems like people actually enjoy having them on the battlefield so they can kill them. I say great, and I will continue to add to your enjoyment by rolling my touch ranger out there for your amusement.

Now then, anymore talks of a nerf? Hopefully not. Maybe the people complaining are the minority now.

Here's my current build:
Vampiric Touch
Vampiric Bite
Dodge
Offering of Blood {E}
Throw Dirt
Whirling Defense
Plague Touch
Strip Enchantment

No more exscuses. Anyone in any profession can beat that build, and the skills you use to do it can work against any other profession.

Good luck. Good hunting. Stop whining.

I guess if you really get down to it, you would need to assess the overuse of Touch Rangers, Air of Enchanment Smitters, 55hp monks, and some other thing that's sure to come along sometime soon.

Problem with nerfing touch rangers is, they're already a bad build if you're any good. Nerfing them even more would be like nerfing Ether Renewal in its current state, it'd become [more] unplayable at any decent level of competition.

touch ranger requires <(1/2) of a brain to use

You mean less than a half of the brain?

You aware no one uses more than the half of his/her brain?

It seems to me that touchers are getting rare[yay!] in aspenwood/quarry[since I don't like ABs], why nerf what is not even really used any more? normal rangers>touchers
cripple them and make them "holy" with your arrows, not that hard, mele classes just have to suck it in

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Though it's probably best not to dig this back up - I wonder if any of you would feel the same way if warriors suddenly got 100% armor penetration and hp heal equal to their damage.

Btw everything that counters a touch ranger counters a warrior (except for blind, weakness, blocking, and evading), because their play mechanics are the same - namely chasing people around and doing high dps.

The only question is which is inferior?

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Snare and Degeneration skills not only hinder Touchers but, just about any warrior or runner you encounter in Alliance Battles. If the toucher is leeching life off your team mates well, then that should tell you how 'skilled' your team mates are.

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ok, thanks for the flying insults captain... guess I'll go read every post. Sorry I didn't spell ridiculous correctly for ya either.

Nope, they pretty much all said the same thing... so I did a tiny amount of research of my own.

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I've been playing a lot of AB's now and I have to say, touch rangers are pretty freakin annoying. I know it's been said a lot. I play a shock axe warrior, and I use Shock to knock them down and Distracting Blow, even used Rush to run away from them, but I find that it's just prolonging the inevitable. Even if I try to fight back, they use Throw Dirt and/or Whirling Defense, and touch away.

They haven't really bothered me that much before, but I have just played an AB with literally 8 touch rangers, and I found myself basically running around the whole map trying not to get killed. That really pissed me off.

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those touchies are getting quite annoying... and trust me if there are 5 warriors 5 eles 5 rangers or 5 w\e usually you have a minor chance to just run away and live. Touchies meh since there is no life steal defense you are screwed.

One of the things i don't get is, if that one assassin combo with AoD wasn't overpowered, and really just popular, why the nerf? Because everyone used it and wasn't exploroing. They have said two counter comments. They don't nerf out of popularity, but they like to mix things up so they don't get "Stale"

Well guess what anet, if you could get any staling than a touch ranger now, you would... i don't know, but still it takes no thought. Maybe the first touch ranger was a genuis, but a monkey can do a touch rangers job most of the time better.

Hear me now and listen to me later: there should be no build in the game that the ONLY defense a monk has against it is to kite. Shield of Judgement? Doesn't fire. Scourage Sacrifice? Only one skill is a sac, and it's what, a 10% sac? AoE doesn't keep up, and that's if you're trying to keep someone ELSE alive. There is absolutely NO DEFENSE as a monk against this build. I am no noob. I have hundreds of hours in on this game, 500,000+ Balth faction (yeah thats not as 7337 as some, but whatever) , all I play is monks, and I'm telling you one monk can't keep up or even come close. I'm sick of idiots telling me to kite. That should not be my only defense. It's frustrating that every good monk build that has come along has been nerfed to high heaven, but there are 786,487 touch rangers out there and they all operate with impunity and have no fear of getting a nerf. Meanwhile, as soon as I played with AoE the first time I thought to myself "Only seconds until this gets nerfed...", because I'm used to it.

Oh, well, whatever, IWAY didn't bother me so much but I have seen 600 touch rangers in one hour. I'm sick of it. Flame on.

Its just an easy build to play.
People had to come up with it, so come up with something to stop it.

I just use diversion.

No nerf needed.

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Can a monk hold out against a warrior...

yes yes he can. Longer than holding out against a touch ranger, there are hundreds of counters against warriors.

Touch Rangers can destroy nearly every (every?) warrior build, every monk build.

Personally i bring along Wail of Despair(You can get it off the second last mission from the necro boss) to counter TRs. Its really useful to battle all caster classes, casting it on a Mesmer will bring him down instantly.

I am annoined at the OP for his line:

How many of you 12v12 players are sick and tired of these touch rangers?? Personally I don't even do 12v12 anymore so if GW was looking for this to be competitive - they screwed up BIG TIME.

He is basing his opinion that ABs are screwed up because some peopl found a build that works well. Just because you find it bad/unbalanced dosnt mean that everyone else does. ABs are personnaly my favorite part of Factions, and find that whatever build the Luxons have there is a build on my side to counter it.

I just over-damaged some touch rangers when I fought them in PvP. It's amazing what you can do when you put 3 conditions on them and keep knocking them over. And yes they do use Plague Touch, but just having a monk can solve that.

P.S. I use an assassin build

I always play a monk in AB and I've got to say, I've never really had that much trouble with touch rangers. I'll admit they are a bit more tricky to deal with than you standard warrior, but kiting does seem to work pretty well. If they can't touch you they can't hurt you. While you are kiting your teammates can take down the touch ranger without a whole lot of trouble.

man some of you are idiots, like thinking backwire works vs touch, or vamp touch removes dodge...lol

use wild blow gg touch rangers...

throw dirt...

Touch Rangers take zero skill.

That's really the extent of the problem.

Peace,
-CxE

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Right now there is a HUGE issue with touch rangers. In my opinion, although it seems not the most talked about issue, is that a class can use a set of skills in everyway better than the primary.

With high expertise the skill vampiric touch, it takes it down to 5 energy. While for the primary necromancer it is still at 15 energy.

Then you look at touch of agony, it’s 5 energy, although it has many drawbacks it can be used by expertise to make the energy cost 2, making spamming these skills and their duplicates very easy when combined with offering of blood. For a primary necromancer though it is quite hard, or for that matter impossible to spam these skills because 15 energy is such a steap cost.

The problem is, the two classes are not simply both using them effectively, which is why there is a huge problem. Ranger have more: armor, energy management, speed boosts, and overall more usage of these skills than any necromancer could wish to have. So I say, level the playing field! Not just for necromancers to have their day, but for everyone, each class should be able to utilize and mesh together to a point.

My recommend skills changes to the touch things.

Vampiric Touch and its clone current – skill – 15 energy ¾ activate and 2 second recharge

Touch of agony and its clone-skill- 5 energy ¾ second activate 3 second recharge


My proposed solution.

Vampiric Touch and its clone new –spell- 5 energy ¾ second cast 2 second recharge.

Touch of agony and its clone-spell- 5 energy ¾ second cast 3 second recharge. If you are above 70% health when cast you gain 3 energy.


Note those are still in touch range. You may be wondering why give 3 conditional energy back, well that way expertise costs would be the same, but just different.

Things don’t have to be nerfed, just changed. Each class can have its benefits now.

Rangers- masters of survival still, can’t seem to kill them, except now they will have to worry about mesmers and other caster hate.

Mesmers – fast casting could be quite possible, and you could take out your fellow touchers too.

Elemantalists- huge energy pool.

Warriors – you were screwed out of these skills a while ago, and you still kinda are, pick up a hammer.

Ritualists – combine these with weapons spells and other cool spirits to make yourself a great defense.

Necromancers – well you have the runes, now you can maximize what you can do with YOUR skills.

Assassins- eh well you have caster regeneration, so you should be able to pull off something, especially if you combine shadow and deadly arts thing.

Monks – well you could steal life from the warrior who just picked up that hammer or something, I don’t know I never played a monk.


I know many of you may be thinking- counter it you sucky person!!!! Or you may be thinking NE NE NE NERFFFFFF

I don’t believe in making skills useless, but this problem could be changed for the better, shake up what is going on before it gets stale.

You may now comment… just try not to eh get mad.

Unrelated: AFI fan? ^^

i have no problems with touch rangers, mesmers rape them

oh and im an AFI fan

This would easily lead with touch Necromancers, who can utilize it to its fullest, have additional enery regen and energy. This would be insanely overpowered for them. It is bad with 12 in the atribute... Think about if it was 16.

the natural balancing act between classes is the atribute roof. Touchers cant use the skills as powerfully as Necromancer can with there full attributes.

I give this a sign as long as you reduce the overall effectiveness of the spell by 2 atribute levels. (now atribute lvl 16 will be atribute lvl 14 after change) This would prevent it from being to overpowered.

er sorry no, never heard the music, although i have seen the bands pictures of stuff before

just saw the sign that said "shouts your mouths and open your mind" on the discovery channel watching mythbusters :P