Request for a title "Adventurer" - earned by questing...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by inscribed
Like I said in the previous post, how is the game going to know if you 'skip a quest'. How do repeatable quests factor in? The game doesn't keep track of how many times you complete one. And then theres quests in places like FoW and SF and such. Do not doing those constitute 'skipping' quests? And finally, theres the problem with players who have already done a large portion of the available quests (the characters for whom this title is supposedly for), who will not have an opportunity to go back and earn the title since they have no quests to go back and complete.

My idea was just a little take on the original which would be much easier to implement and still retained the original idea of a title for questers.
Again. No.

First let's explain you about non-repeatable quests.
Non repeatable quests are already saved. The data is there.
Only the titles that used data that was not saved before start from scratch.
- Survivor: Death counter and exp.
- Cartographer: Explored map.
- Protector: Missions done.
Players got the titles even after their creation, bacause the data was being already stored.
- Drunkard.
- Sweet tooth.
- Gamer.
Those titles started to count after they being added, bacuase the data was not stored until they were created.

Now. Are quests saved? YES. You can't repeat a quest because the SAVE the quests you make.
I never imagined I had to explain something so ovbious... geez...

Now for the repeatable quests.
They are different.
For SF, there's no problem, we have [wiki]To Sorrow's Furnace[/wiki] and [wiki]The Final Assault[/wiki].
They are non-repeatable and can't be finished without finishing the others inside the SF. So the title won't complete until you complete most of the quests in SF.

For FoW or UW, they are 'elite' core areas. So you can't make them count to any of th titles. And finishing some of them is the only way to get Obsidian armor. That's a better proof than a title.

The tombs of the Primeval Kings, Urgoz, The Deep and the Angish are 'elite' missions, not quests. What to prove you where there? You can't people can even buy the items droped there. But no one care, people who go there do not go for making the quest, but for the stuff they'll find around there.

The other non-repeatable quests have rewards nice enough by themselvs, like - [wiki]Duel of The houses[/wiki] a quick way to get some exp and faction.
- [wiki]Political Ramifications[/wiki] hey, you make a boss run, you may get some green weaposn, and on top of that you get some free exp for doing that.

A title for making 3 or 4 quests do not fit the 'title' concept, it would be like gettin protector just for making the last missions of each campaign.
People can skip from Ascalon to Lion's Arch, then to Santum Cay, then Ascend, then go directly to Infuse, Thunderkeep, and then Ember camp! (Yay)
But that way they won't get the Protector. This is exactly the same.

Developers spent a lot of time programming quests. Yet any people just skip them all. But many people loves to make them all, they are the ones who leave PreAscalon at leve 12, just by making quests.
This would be a price for those who finished and enjoyed all those quests the programmers worked so hard in.
A title for quests-lovers.

Do you get it know, young fellow player?

inscribed

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I never imagined I had to explain something so ovbious... geez...

Do you get it know, young fellow player?
lol, starting with the personal attacks? heaven forbid I offer an opinion you don't like.

You still didn't quite address my points. There is a big jump between the game knowing that a character has completed a certain quest, and keeping track of every quest that a character has completed in the past and comparing it to a database of every quest available (or a database of every quest that should count toward the title, that isn't from an elite area, isn't repeatable, is from the appropriate continent, and is actually available to the character).

The devs would have to go through every quest, and pick which ones apply to the title and which ones don't (its not as easy as saying "computer, make all repeatable quests not count!". And since the quest completion title would have to be chapter specific, does the game currently know the difference between a quest completed in Elona compared to a quest completed in Tyria, or even a quest completed in an Elite area? Doubtful, so this is something that'd have to be addressed. Also, we have the holiday specific quests and the quests from elite areas. You could argue that "well they would just have those not count!", but again, its another item that would have to be addressed.

Then we get to the birthplace specific quests. How would a Canthan character get the title for questing in Tyria, when half of the Tyrian quests aren't even available to a Canthan character? Have each character only capable of getting the title for the continent of his birth? Even if the titles weren't continent specific, it wouldn't address the fact the a single character cannot get all of the quests in the game, and that characters from different lands are going to have access to a different number of quests. Another solution would be to set a hardline "any 500 quests completed earns the max rank for this title", but that'd lead to "OMG a Canthan Assassin can earn this title easier than an Elonian Warrior, since he has access to more quests". Not really an option.

In summary, the title, while it might be cool, would require a great deal of work to implement, if even possible. I simply offered an idea that might actually be possible, or at least easier, to implement. No one said the quest chain had to be limited to 3 or 4 quests (as I also stated previously). They could be sprinkled through out the game progression, or they could have a requirement of completion of every mission (not necessarily the bonuses). Either way, an alternate version of the title would have a much better chance of seeing the light of day than the originally proposed idea.

P.S. Save the kiddie retorts. Makes you sound like a dumbass.

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
/signed

This should be possible, because it already knows if you've completed a quest or not (the exception being repeatable ones). So it can be retroactive.
It would so nice if I knew what quests I had completed.

savage vapor 33

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

More titles to the ever growing pile of useless junk?

why not.

/signed

Cass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Did I already sign this last year? Again then. :P

Perhaps to cut down on more "useless title junk" they devs could make room for this title that would actually be earned whilst playing the bloody game by removing the inane drunk, sweet tooth, lucky and that pinnacle of absurdity defender of ascalon titles. Spring cleaning.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

/signed

BUT ... this will be hard for developers to add this title, I think they must change all quests one by one because this game wasn't developed with that in mind (I think)

Well, now that I think more, the game already knows if I completed a quest or not, maybe is not as hard to implement as I imagined.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by inscribed
lol, starting with the personal attacks? heaven forbid I offer an opinion you don't like.

You still didn't quite address my points. There is a big jump between the game knowing that a character has completed a certain quest, and keeping track of every quest that a character has completed in the past and comparing it to a database of every quest available (or a database of every quest that should count toward the title, that isn't from an elite area, isn't repeatable, is from the appropriate continent, and is actually available to the character).
Personal attacks? Opinion I don't like? No, young lad, no. Disappointment.
Its something stated all along the whole thread that you just simply ignored.
If you had read the thread instea of just thinking a way to say no to something that everyone else says it's great, you'll notice the truth.

No, there is no jump, no track, nothing.
When a players is from another campaign, the quest he can't make are marked as 'done' for her.

Why do we know that?
[To Kryta: Journey's End]
That quest require you to make [To Kryta: The Ice Cave] first, so it's market as done for foreign characters.
[The Bog Beast of Bokku] can be made by non-Canthan characters. They forgot to mark it as done for foreign characters.
So all quests before the first one available for foreign characters are marked as done for you. They are already marked.

Since each title is separate for each campaign, if you are not from Tyria, the system would just substract the not available quests (marked for you as done). So, if the total for Tyria is, let's say, 200. you substract the repeatables, then the Tyrian-only, and the rest are the quests for the title.
You get it already or I have to keep stating the obvious?

Do you want a title for making just a couple of quests? Nice, make another suggestion about it.
But don't forcefully say something is possible, or not, because neither you or me know exactly how the system is. We can only use logic to know it.

'Possible or not', 'we have time or not', 'we want to or not' that' something for the developers to decide.

Then, te suggestion is to make a title for making as many quests as possible, not 3 or 4, not to make a couple of quests to give a title, but to make all those already existing quests the script writers worked so many time in.

Mr_Unlucky

Mr_Unlucky

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Finland

Seekers of the Aetherian (Void)

W/N

This would be nice to have. Id quess there already somekinda code that keeps record have you completed quests cause you cant redo them eh? So not much work. Ofcourse i have been wrong before.
/Signed

Master Sword Keeper

Master Sword Keeper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dead Isle

Farmers Of Woe [FoW]

W/

Yes please! This gives me the exact reason to do those impossible and extremely pointless quests.

/signed

Btw....

Limit the title into 3 titles.

100% for Tyria (Tyrian Adventurer) Must do sorrows.
100% for Cantha (Canthan Adventurer)
100% for Elona (Elonian Adventurer)

Seperate title: 100% after all 3. (Champion Adventurer)

Make a new title. Trust me on this you will be taking a lot of spare
time to do all those quests and finding them all.

Dj Tano

Dj Tano

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
they are the ones who leave PreAscalon at leve 12, just by making quests.
Its called Pre-Searing, and if you do all quests you leave at lvl7...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dj Tano
Its called Pre-Searing, and if you do all quests you leave at lvl7...
I've heard 'PreSearing', 'Pre-Searing Ascalon' and 'PreAscalon'.
And you don't leave at level 16 or 17 unless you make a lot of kills.
Just by questing and killing only some enemies in your way, you'll get around level 12-14.
Believe me, I always made all the PreAscalon quests. Always. Not a single one possible left.

But, what does this has to do with the idea? You mean if they would be left out of the title?
Hm... they could count for Prophecies characters... and they are many...
But only for Prophecies characters.

The Hamster Lord

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Somewere else

[SnoW]

Rt/

hmm.... /signed

DutchGun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Washington, USA

I wouldn't concern yourselves too much with implementation difficulty. Leave that for Anet to worry about. It's its not technically feasible, then it just won't happen.

I'd love to see this title implemented. Anet, if you're listening, do this one! Once I've hit level 20, I never have much of a reason to do any of the quests, since the rewards are crap (except for Prophecies, which give you skills). Who needs XP once you've capped?

darkk wound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

united kingdom

E/Me

a title for questing.... sounds good, hope they make it happen
/signed

draceena

draceena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

The first thing I thought of when Titles was being introduced was a Quests type title and was dissappointed when it was never added.

/signed in a heartbeat

SPIRIT OF THE SEA

SPIRIT OF THE SEA

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

Love the idea but i dont like names you put down.



1.adventurer
2.mighty adventurer
3.Terrifying adventurer
4.vanquishing adventurer
5.Indiana Jones (as you said)


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Komradkyle

Komradkyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Pennsylvania, USA

W/

yeah that would be neat. or an XP title i know there is one for survivor. or maybe a death title?

Dubby

Dubby

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

D/

YES... please.

There's no *question* whether or not this is possible, each character has data for it, and that data is used for many things - among which keeps track of the character's quest progress, and which quests are done or not.

So yes, all they need to do is make the title structure, then write a first time function to run on characters once to determine their "quest completion" and give them the appropriate titles. This is fine and great, as long as there arent any mistakes or typos in the code.

Repeatable quests should count for only 1 point towards the title. An average quest might be 3-5 points, difficult ones more, and quests labeled master (excluding repeatable) worth even more.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

/signed and about time

Seppi

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Behind you O.o

The League Of Extraordinary [NUBS]

Mo/

(reviving thread. sry, but its a good idea.) :X
/signed
This idea gives recognition for those who complete game content like the protector/vanquisher/guardian titles.
I think it would be a good idea to put it in, since it encourages and recognizes completion of PvE related content.

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

/signed

And a quest log tab that lets me know which quests are completed for each area in each campaign.

The Lost Explorer

The Lost Explorer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

[AvA]

Rt/

/signed

I Think there should be a title for questing. It gives a reason for people to do the quest instead of letting them rot in your log forever.

DutchGun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Washington, USA

Regarding profession-specific quest, or quests in pre-searing that are inaccessible to some characters... I'd guess Anet could just exclude those. That's how the explorer title works, so there's some precedent for that.

E Power

E Power

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

New York City

Wisdom of the Raven [MyM]

I think this title would be way to easy to get. I like the idea but I think making the quests in HM would make it something to actually try for and have a bit of struggle getting. but I still like the idea.

/signed

BlueNovember

BlueNovember

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTS GW2 items for Zkey

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by E Power
I think this title would be way to easy too get. ...
/signed
*mind melts at masses of quests in log from all three continents*
Mmmm.
I imagine it would be similar to cartog; a lot of running around doing pretty mindless stuff, frustratingly trying to get that last little patch/quest.

That said, a lot of effort goes into designing quests and most of it goes unappreciated. Perhaps such a title would encourage players to seek out the more illusive quests? (quests from /kneeling in front of avatars, ones that require Jundu Smash to access, etc)

/signed (Although I may have signed this thread some months ago before its necromantic revival)

Gawa

Gawa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

[Oldschool Respect and Honour]

/signed

In addition id like to push this idea here at the same time. "NPC to see how many quests you have remaining"

william1975

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

/signed

one of my characters has nearly completed all quests would so love for this to take effect,

One major problem for me though, DOA quests are so tough to do may never complete Nightfall lol

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

/signed, as long as it's retroactive!

I do the quests anyway because I hate to say no to those pretty green arrows, so I've got to have the majority of these titles by now. XD

Tamuril elansar

Tamuril elansar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

N/

/signed-why not?

Ept

Ept

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Natural Anthem [ATHM]

Me/

/signed

Gives a reason to do quests after 20.

Echuu Ishtar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sacred Forge Knights (SFK)

/signed

Most of the time the rewards just don't cut it, so it would give everybody an incentive to do them.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

/signed

I only do quests (all quests listed on the wiki) with my main. All my other chars only do primary quests and missions. The only exceptions are for heroes, skill quests, 15 point attrib quests and vabbian trade contract quests.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

yes! some of my character can get instant title I ususlly do all quests except the sorrow furnace one, :| very hard to do, no wander its taking me so long to finnished the game.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

I'm having some trouble to get a decent party to make the Krytan Titan quest.
I'ts the last one I need in Prophecies.

Same goes for many Master Difficulty quests.
People simple do not make them, becuase the reward do not deserve the work.

Adding such title, would force

For the repeatable quests and elite missions, just adding non-repeatable quests that are completed once you make each repeatable at least once would do.

Sorrow's Furnace and Angish already have them, but Luxon/Kurcick repeatable ones don't.

Sythius

Sythius

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

England

Order of Celestial Guardins [OCG]

D/W

This is a really good idea!
(PS: what's with all this '/signed' stuff?)

Gawa

Gawa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

[Oldschool Respect and Honour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sythius
This is a really good idea!
(PS: what's with all this '/signed' stuff?)
heh, its like a petition i guess...people signing to show that they agree to it, adding their name to the petition to have the idea implemented by ANet (since we post ideas here in the hope that others agree and that ANet then decide to put that idea in the game)

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

I guess changing the quest rewards to make them worth doing would result in a bit of backlash ( "WHERES MY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE???" lol-Razah)
So this is prolly the next best thing to make a whole lot of programming go to waste.

Doesn't seem to be any reason not to imo
(although increasing the rewards and somehow rewarding the backlog would be nicer =])

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

id love this considering ive done most the quests but if you think about it, some people get acess to quests that others can't....
percentage does sound like a good idea though. They should do a formula depending on what continent your character is from.
Canthans would have a higher canthan title because the shing jea quests but a lower kamadem because they don't do the istani quests.
They shouldn't include any quests such as FOW,UW, pre-searing....etc

I'm going to have to get rid of "the last patrol" quest if this happens though...
i keep it for the party lol

Star Gazer

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

Argh! Curse Of The Thread Necromancy Strikes A-gain!!

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

wahahahaa i luv necros

prolly gonna stay around till it gets implemented, given the no ppl that seem to like it Oo