make the wisdom title account based

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Currently to get this title on any of your characters you really need to transfer your un-ided golds to that character before iding them, otherwise you get it spread out accross characters with none of them having the title.

Also, this title can be gotten on a low level character by simply transfering the golds and id kits you aquired with another character to it, then iding them on it.

I would suggest that if ANET implements this they should add up your totals for the current title to get what you would have, so that you don't lose any of your progress.

Naturally if its made an account based title, the breakpoints for each displayable title will have to be increased.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

/signed.

For good measure, apply it to the elite skill title too.

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

I'm not even proud of my wisdom title. I spent weeks of farming and ID'ing stuff to get it, while i know for sure that some people just paid for theirs (not talking about you guys). I'd like to see more titles that can't be bought, if anything.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kvndoom
I'd like to see more titles that can't be bought, if anything.
/signed to that.

Anyways, I think wisdom title should stay character based.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Well just because one character is wise doesnt make all your characters wise.
/not signed
i cant sign this because it just doesnt make sense to me that because if one person identifies things the others should get credit for it.

inscribed

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

/signed.

Arguing that 'it doesn't make sense' is the dumbest response I've heard. By that logic, there shouldn't be any account based titles. What sense doest it make for my other characters to have a Gladiator title just because my PvP character earned it? Just take a look at the two newest titles introduced, lucky and unlucky. They are huge gold sinks that are account based. Apparently Anet likes the idea of having titles account based. Only makes sense to have other gold sink titles, like the wisdom title, account based also.

Phoenix Arrows

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

With many other ugly people

We Are All Pretty [ugly]

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Chest runs will get you your Seeker of Wisdom. It's not that hard. I spent about 3 hours and got about 60% to the title.

/not-signed

inscribed

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The difficulty of the title isn't the reason for making it account based. Getting the Lucky title was the easiest of all, yet its account based.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Arrows
Chest runs will get you your Seeker of Wisdom. It's not that hard. I spent about 3 hours and got about 60% to the title.

/not-signed
Yeah, the first level. Good luck completing that title track.

some_dude_91

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

woo

LOD

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Yeah, the first level. Good luck completing that title track.
heh... that's part of the challenge

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this title is one of my challenges in this game... if we make it account based, i'll get the full title in no time

Rogier

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

[GoT]

/signed
the only thing you now do is switching all your golds, why not make it a bit easier?

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

/not signed

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by some_dude_91
if we make it account based, i'll get the full title in no time
Which is why we also increase the number of IDs required for each level of the title. Say we increase them all by a factor of at least 6.

Quote:
Chest runs will get you your Seeker of Wisdom. It's not that hard. I spent about 3 hours and got about 60% to the title.
What about those classes that can't chest run ? (untill I see a chest run build for a class that the average PUG will let join them, that class is unable to chest run in my mind)

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

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I think it's kind of like getting obsidian armor on your characters. Although useless it's cosmetic. I do think however that there should be one more title that doesn't cost money so that people don't have to pay in the 2 billion gp range of gold just to get Kind Of A Big Deal. I nearly have both map and mission titles and that leaves me one away. I can't get elite one because of future campaigns and I can't get survival because this is a tyrian character and I'm not throwing away the two titles and all quests complete on that one character just to do them all over again and then be super careful not to die... and if I do die I'll just have to restart no thanks... ugh well oh well.

samifly

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

There is no real reason why it should matter which character you identify items with. So /signed

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

No, people have started titles so its far too late to change.

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuld
No, people have started titles so its far too late to change.
Agreed, If it was orignally account based, it would work. I do agree though, titles that can be bought shouldn't count towards KOABD. Im not actively going for KOABD until that 5th title is available that requires me to do something other then AFK farm in a ring or drink a lot of e-alchohal. Id rather waste that gambling away money or being drunk in real life..

Although half of that paragraph is completely offtopic.
/notsigned.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope


What about those classes that can't chest run ? (untill I see a chest run build for a class that the average PUG will let join them, that class is unable to chest run in my mind)
Chest run solo, or with friends... I've never joined a chestrun pug.

And please name a class that cannot chest run.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Chest run solo, or with friends... I've never joined a chestrun pug.

And please name a class that cannot chest run.
Well, I'm only aware of rangers and warriors chest running. So I'll say the other six till I at least see a workable build for them.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuld
No, people have started titles so its far too late to change.
Take the ammounts people have towards it on each character, add them togeather and you have their progress towards the account based wisdom title.

vaxmor

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

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these pve titles are too much of a challenge, pls nerf them to make them easier.

kkthanxbye

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by vaxmor
these pve titles are too much of a challenge, pls nerf them to make them easier.

kkthanxbye
My thoughts too looking at these threads :/

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

This should be turned into a real account-based title purely for convenience. It's already virtually account-based anyway. Everyone I play with saves their rares to identify them with a single character. As posted before, just add up the numbers on all characters and use that number for the account-based version of the title. Not having this one account-based is a joke.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by vaxmor
these pve titles are too much of a challenge, pls nerf them to make them easier.

kkthanxbye
Did you miss where I said this:
Quote:
Naturally if its made an account based title, the breakpoints for each displayable title will have to be increased.
Currently the breakpoints are: 100, 250, 550, 1200, 5000, 10000.
Since most people keep one slot open for a PvP character, that means 5 characters for iding gold. So multiply the numbers by 5 so the breakpoints would then be: 500, 1250, 2750, 6000, 25000, 50000.
You would still have to ID the same number of golds to get the same level on all your PvE characters, but you wouldn't need to worry about funneling them to whichever character you are working on the title for.

Though I wouldn't mind if the breakpoints were even higher

xis10al

xis10al

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sativa High

N/Me

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inscribed

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

I'm honestly pretty confident that Anet will eventually make the original gold sink titles account based. They've already shown that they are keen on the idea by making the Lucky/Unlucky titles account based. My guess as to why they were not made account based in the first place is that the dev's just plain didn't think about it, or that there would be more working involved in making statistics like "# of chests opened" shared between characters. The move to make the titles account based wouldn't make the titles any easier to get, as people are currently just funneling all of their items (rares/keys/ale) to their single character trying to get the title. Making the titles account based would simply remove this extra step, and allow players to show off the titles on multiple characters.

I also hope that the consider making the skill hunter and the cartographer (and the associated map) titles account based. I'm not even sure that the devs read any of the forums other than the General forum, so we'll see on that one, but I remain optimistic.

PS. A majority of the negative responses are there just for the sake of arguing. There isn't a single thread in this forum that doesn't have negative response, no matter how benign the idea.

Aki Soyokaze

Aki Soyokaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver

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Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

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Just like the other 5000 topics about "Make [insert title] account based".

I already see enough lvl2 characters with rank/luck titles - I don't want to see lvl1 characters with 100% map completion titles, or Titles like this - because that character didn't help in the least...it belittles the meaning of titles.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
/not signed.

Just like the other 5000 topics about "Make [insert title] account based".

I already see enough lvl2 characters with rank/luck titles - I don't want to see lvl1 characters with 100% map completion titles, or Titles like this - because that character didn't help in the least...it belittles the meaning of titles.
Ok, time to get the wisdom title on my ranger before she leaves Shing Jea monastery, simply to annoy you. Unlike the other titles that people want account based, you can actually do this with the wisdom title but not with the other ones. Thats actually the main reason why I think it should be account based.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
/not signed.

Just like the other 5000 topics about "Make [insert title] account based".

I already see enough lvl2 characters with rank/luck titles - I don't want to see lvl1 characters with 100% map completion titles, or Titles like this - because that character didn't help in the least...it belittles the meaning of titles.
You're going to see level 1s with this title anyway, because it isn't dependent upon the accomplishments of a single character. For many (if not most) people, it's dependent upon the joint effort of all characters on their account. Anyone can transfer all of his rares to a single character, and that character might just be level 1. It's a joke to have this title character based and not account based.

Aurgorn Notnaw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Robin Hood Country, Nottinghamshire, England

Swords of Justice

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Currently the breakpoints are: 100, 250, 550, 1200, 5000, 10000.
Since most people keep one slot open for a PvP character, that means 5 characters for iding gold. So multiply the numbers by 5 so the breakpoints would then be: 500, 1250, 2750, 6000, 25000, 50000.
You would still have to ID the same number of golds to get the same level on all your PvE characters, but you wouldn't need to worry about funneling them to whichever character you are working on the title for.

Though I wouldn't mind if the breakpoints were even higher
What if you only have time to play on one character and have been working hard and long to get the first title? Would you have all your time and hard work wiped by the breakpoints being increased?

If they did increase the points I'd imagine you'd have a lot of angry people, who have just had all their effort wiped.

/notsigned

Guinevere Ac

Guinevere Ac

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Milano

Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Well, I'm only aware of rangers and warriors chest running. So I'll say the other six till I at least see a workable build for them.
i opened 5300 chests on my mesmer...

Aki Soyokaze

Aki Soyokaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver

Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Currently the breakpoints are: 100, 250, 550, 1200, 5000, 10000.
Since most people keep one slot open for a PvP character, that means 5 characters for iding gold. So multiply the numbers by 5 so the breakpoints would then be: 500, 1250, 2750, 6000, 25000, 50000.
You would still have to ID the same number of golds to get the same level on all your PvE characters, but you wouldn't need to worry about funneling them to whichever character you are working on the title for.

Though I wouldn't mind if the breakpoints were even higher
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Ok, time to get the wisdom title on my ranger before she leaves Shing Jea monastery, simply to annoy you. Unlike the other titles that people want account based, you can actually do this with the wisdom title but not with the other ones. Thats actually the main reason why I think it should be account based.
I fail to see how this would help anyone in anyway. What you describe is increasing the number of id's required to attain a certain level in the title, yet you want to make it account based. Added to that your reasoning for the jumps in the title breakpoints is based on the fact that people have 5 character slots for pve and one for pvp. So how is this any different than simply collecting/farming gold items and then id'ing them on various characters? You still have to get the same number of items and you still have to spend the same amount of time to get the title(if you were trying to get one level for all your characters at the same time). So ask yourself, who really wants to get the max level of this title for all their characters anyways? Added to that your basis for the breakpoint increases is based on having 6 character slots. What about people who have less? People who will have more? Should we then at a later date increase the break points again?

The only viable reason that you want this is because you don't want to have to deal with funneling all the unid'd gold items to one character. The other issue about chest running and there not being a viable run build for X amount of other characters, to me, falls on deaf ears. The title is character based, thus 'your' skill using that character to farm gold items in someway is how this title is reflected on that character. If you have a mesmer and an ele and only those two but you still want the title then you'll have to work towards it.

Thus bumping up the breakpoints and making it account based only hurts those who are unable or unwilling to do chest runs; people who once had to deal with a 100 gold id hurdle now have to face one that is 5 times as large and to what end? So that they can have the first level of this title on all their characters? All this would do is make the title exclusive for people who do nothing but chest run; since anyone else who doesn't do this kind of activity wouldn't even be able to scratch the surface of id's for even the first level.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

The increasing of the breakpoints is only there to try and counter the people thinking I'm just asking for the title to be made eaiser. I don't actually care how the breakpoints get moved.

My main point is: "Why should a title be character based when it can be obtained with the majority of the work done by a different character ?"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinevere Ac
i opened 5300 chests on my mesmer...
You saying that doesn't count as proof for me. I will accecpt eaither a discription of your build, or a screen showing the 5300 chests opened on that mesmer. Still as people can funnel the items from the character that aquires them to the character working on the title this isn't a relavant point for this thread.

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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Leave it as it is.

Additionally, I think they should eliminate all account based titles!

Aleks

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Under your bed!

Me/E

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It doesn't make sense. Say you identified 10,000 items with one character, but you have 5 PvE characters. This means you need to do this another 4 times totaling to 50,000 times. This is called grinding. Something guild wars wasn't intended to do.

Also, the items unlocked (upgrades and such) become available for the account. So why shouldn't this be account based?

It's like the skill hunter title track. Say you have 5 characters. You would need to unlock every elite skill 5 times. Ridiculous.

IllusiveMind

IllusiveMind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mehtani Keys

The Extraordinary Revolution [ReVo]

P/W

Quote:
Leave it as it is.

Additionally, I think they should eliminate all account based titles!
No, that's an evil suggestion. To hardcore-ish.

Slavik81

Slavik81

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Silver Breeze

E/N

Why not have it both account-based and character-based? An "and/or" kind of thing.

Have the higher requirements for account-wide titles, but keep current requirements for the character-based.
Two ways to get the title for those who use multiple characters and for those who use only one.
If you want it account-wide, there are higher requirements. If you want it just on one character, you can keep it that way. You work towards both methods of getting the title simultaniously. Your most-used character could have a high rank that rubs off a moderate rank onto the rest of your account in this way.

Nobody loses their title; nobody takes the easy way to a title.

I have 10 characters, over half of them level 20.
/signed

The milk shake

The milk shake

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Pre-Searing Ascalon

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yep, i dont really like having to take all the time capping skills i have already in the past

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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but since Anet's interpretate PvE as a giant gold sink, things will likely stay as they are sadly.