can the baseline pricing thread be killed?
they are so inaccurate..not really reflecting the in game price and people are just blindly following it ..
without realising it is according to supply and demand
can the baseline pricing thread be killed?
lursey
fenix
a) there's more than 1, so be specific
b) The Baseline Rare and Baseline Green ones are being CONSTANTLY updated
c) Yes it is supply and demand, and the prices in the threads reflect that
b) The Baseline Rare and Baseline Green ones are being CONSTANTLY updated
c) Yes it is supply and demand, and the prices in the threads reflect that
Plazma Knight
Why should the Pricing Thread should be killed? Its help me got rich and also helped many got rich. Also to let you know you dont have to follow the price of what it say.
lursey
because the maximum or minimum amount
people want to buy and sell is different
people want to buy and sell is different
Marcus Ferret
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Originally Posted by lursey
can the baseline pricing thread be killed?
they are so inaccurate..not really reflecting the in game price and people are just blindly following it ..
without realising it is according to supply and demand The main purpose of the stickies above is to give players an idea of how much an item is worth. You may set as high a price as you like in-game or on sell/high end forum if you feel that your item is worth a lot more as the intention of these threads is to provide a baseline price and not to control the market for the items mentioned.
Hence, if you wish to place an item on auction, the baseline pricings provides a guide as to what most casual players would pay for the item as well as a probable margin for the seller and buyer to work with. It is true that certain prices quoted are inaccurate, but parties concerned are constantly monitoring the sales of items and will attempt to keep the threads updated as often as possible. Feedback from the playing community would be highly appreciated where this is concerned.
they are so inaccurate..not really reflecting the in game price and people are just blindly following it ..
without realising it is according to supply and demand The main purpose of the stickies above is to give players an idea of how much an item is worth. You may set as high a price as you like in-game or on sell/high end forum if you feel that your item is worth a lot more as the intention of these threads is to provide a baseline price and not to control the market for the items mentioned.
Hence, if you wish to place an item on auction, the baseline pricings provides a guide as to what most casual players would pay for the item as well as a probable margin for the seller and buyer to work with. It is true that certain prices quoted are inaccurate, but parties concerned are constantly monitoring the sales of items and will attempt to keep the threads updated as often as possible. Feedback from the playing community would be highly appreciated where this is concerned.
Rain Knight
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Originally Posted by Plazma Knight
Why should the Pricing Thread should be killed? Its help me got rich and also helped many got rich. Also to let you know you dont have to follow the price of what it say.
exactly, it helped me got rich too, people were donating ectos to me 
and yeah
it is important to realise that the thread is dead, the market is active and constantly changing...so live it
hmm...if many insist on deleting it, and has caused many troubles in a way, we'll consider this option
and yeah
it is important to realise that the thread is dead, the market is active and constantly changing...so live it
hmm...if many insist on deleting it, and has caused many troubles in a way, we'll consider this option
shadowfell
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Originally Posted by lursey
because the maximum or minimum amount
people want to buy and sell is different
Analogy time!
I want to buy a new porsche for 50 dollars. Actual retail price, 60 thousand. Think I can get one? I want to sell a 2006 Honda for 165 thousand. Actual retail price, 20 thousand. Think someone will buy it?
The MSRP, roughly the base line pricing for either of those cars is exactly a standard retail guide for the car in question, based on their value of the automobiles worth. Once that item goes into private hands, i.e. the original purchasers, or a resale dealer, they can ask for whatever they want for the automobile. Lower, or higher than the original stated MSRP.
Now, it is up to the buyer to determine whether or not he wants to meet and can afford to meet the secondary sellers requirement in cost. The seasoned veteran knows he can shop around for the best deal, so, you likely won't be breaking the bank on him. The zealous teenager with his graduation money, or someone rolling in cash, might not care so much about finding the best deal, for the cheapest.. They're looking for right now, right there, and will lay out whatever money it takes to get it their way.
So yah, the guides are bare minimums, they're ranges,not always accurate 100%, but this is where input from the average traders come in. They help buffer the missing spaces and let us know what they're doing and seeing being done. It would be unfair to list a particular model that generally sells for 35-65k at twice that amount just because a couple of sales that net the dealer 100-200% profit, so each of these reports have to be taken with a grain of salt.
The green list, at least the canthan green list, that I know of, is updated daily. As for the rare weapons thread, that is a work in progress. Rain is a seasoned trader and one of the more accurate price checkers I know. Naturally, you are going to miss on certain items as their popularity increase. At first, it was the zodiac, now it is mursaat. Whatever the latest fad craze is for, is always going to go for more than the sticky lists. This is just supply and demand.
You also have to remember, we are talking about a multitude of new skins. Factions, in terms of guild wars franchise, is still very new, and were all settling into a market groove. If you would recall, within the first couple of weeks of factions release, people were going hog wild in buying new skins, and in a lot of cases, grossly overpaying for them, not realizing how common they would soon become. Expect this list to change continually as the demand for items decrease or increase and the supply either meets or depletes the cause.
As far as greens go, as soon as farmers see a certain green racking up a massive amount in sales, due to rarity in the game, they hit the boss up faster than a sailor in the red light district. This ends up flooding the market, and demand or not, the market is still flooded with the same item, and sellers are forced to compete with one another for sales. You will still get the lucky sale out of a few of these, but more often than not, you're going to have to lower your price to get the item moving faster. You lose money the longer you hold onto it.
The new greens aren't oro and there is no work in getting them. Prime example, the kaolin domination staff.. a green mesmer staff that out sold any warrior green item ever. The highest recorded sale was 875k. Didn't take long for the over farming=flooding to occur and now, kaolin domination staff is easy as heck to find and as cheap as beans.
If you will have paid attention to the lists as they were first formed, and in the state they are now (provided the sticky issue with the canthan greens is fixed) You will have watched things like the kaolin staff, sunreach shield and urgoz long bow fall from hundreds of thousands of platinum, to what they are generally selling for today.
And that my friend, is all these lists are attempting to inform people of.. the current -average- selling price, in other words, the MSRP =P It's up to you, the seller, and you, the buyer, to determine if the MSRP fits your needs. Not ours.
people want to buy and sell is different
Analogy time!
I want to buy a new porsche for 50 dollars. Actual retail price, 60 thousand. Think I can get one? I want to sell a 2006 Honda for 165 thousand. Actual retail price, 20 thousand. Think someone will buy it?
The MSRP, roughly the base line pricing for either of those cars is exactly a standard retail guide for the car in question, based on their value of the automobiles worth. Once that item goes into private hands, i.e. the original purchasers, or a resale dealer, they can ask for whatever they want for the automobile. Lower, or higher than the original stated MSRP.
Now, it is up to the buyer to determine whether or not he wants to meet and can afford to meet the secondary sellers requirement in cost. The seasoned veteran knows he can shop around for the best deal, so, you likely won't be breaking the bank on him. The zealous teenager with his graduation money, or someone rolling in cash, might not care so much about finding the best deal, for the cheapest.. They're looking for right now, right there, and will lay out whatever money it takes to get it their way.
So yah, the guides are bare minimums, they're ranges,not always accurate 100%, but this is where input from the average traders come in. They help buffer the missing spaces and let us know what they're doing and seeing being done. It would be unfair to list a particular model that generally sells for 35-65k at twice that amount just because a couple of sales that net the dealer 100-200% profit, so each of these reports have to be taken with a grain of salt.
The green list, at least the canthan green list, that I know of, is updated daily. As for the rare weapons thread, that is a work in progress. Rain is a seasoned trader and one of the more accurate price checkers I know. Naturally, you are going to miss on certain items as their popularity increase. At first, it was the zodiac, now it is mursaat. Whatever the latest fad craze is for, is always going to go for more than the sticky lists. This is just supply and demand.
You also have to remember, we are talking about a multitude of new skins. Factions, in terms of guild wars franchise, is still very new, and were all settling into a market groove. If you would recall, within the first couple of weeks of factions release, people were going hog wild in buying new skins, and in a lot of cases, grossly overpaying for them, not realizing how common they would soon become. Expect this list to change continually as the demand for items decrease or increase and the supply either meets or depletes the cause.
As far as greens go, as soon as farmers see a certain green racking up a massive amount in sales, due to rarity in the game, they hit the boss up faster than a sailor in the red light district. This ends up flooding the market, and demand or not, the market is still flooded with the same item, and sellers are forced to compete with one another for sales. You will still get the lucky sale out of a few of these, but more often than not, you're going to have to lower your price to get the item moving faster. You lose money the longer you hold onto it.
The new greens aren't oro and there is no work in getting them. Prime example, the kaolin domination staff.. a green mesmer staff that out sold any warrior green item ever. The highest recorded sale was 875k. Didn't take long for the over farming=flooding to occur and now, kaolin domination staff is easy as heck to find and as cheap as beans.
If you will have paid attention to the lists as they were first formed, and in the state they are now (provided the sticky issue with the canthan greens is fixed) You will have watched things like the kaolin staff, sunreach shield and urgoz long bow fall from hundreds of thousands of platinum, to what they are generally selling for today.
And that my friend, is all these lists are attempting to inform people of.. the current -average- selling price, in other words, the MSRP =P It's up to you, the seller, and you, the buyer, to determine if the MSRP fits your needs. Not ours.
milias
To the OP: For future reference, I would recommend contacting a mod via PM if you feel this way. Posting this publically won't usually resolve the problem, and will only exacerbate it, if anything. Also, the PC forum is not for discussion or requests other than price checking.