More Title? Reason?

actionjack

actionjack

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kali

W/E

I am always interested in player behavior. So, the question to the comunity is...

It seem few people enjoy titles, and the challenge of getting them. And there are always those asking for more titles. Why?

Describe why you like titles, and why you want more.
or why you don't like titles.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

You need an option of "I don't care about titles" because they're a waste of time/gold that I could spend PvPing. Yes, I know there are wonderful PvP titles, but I doubt any will ever max on my account.

Petrus

Petrus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

norway

W/

i for one would love an balthazar point title.. i have over 400k points of balthazar points but no way of showing that.. rank is hopless for me to get becouse noone would like to group with someone that hasent a rank title.
im trying to get a gladiator title in random arena, but its so damn hard with different pugs and classes that i only have got 14 points of lots of playing..

Sectus

Sectus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Miss Meow Meow's Guild

I like the concept of titles, but I think there should be more titles for specific accomplishments, instead of doing a simple thing a million times.

For instance. The Protector titles are good. Those are challenging, you need to complete every mission with highest tier, that's a good title. On the other hand, I'm not fond of the treasure hunter titles. That just encourages mindless grinding of opening every chest in existance.

Unfortunately, most titles falls into the category of being grinding. I'd personally like to see titles for completing quests in a chapter, or a title for getting good scores on a challenge mission.

And if they're gonna implement new titles specfically for special events, PLEASE make the titles have to do something with skill involved. I'd love to see a title for doing well in the dragon arena. I do NOT want to see a title for standing on a square 40 hours straight and wasting 100k.

Rogier

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

[GoT]

actually i just finished capping all my monk elites, maybe an idea to have a title for having all your elites + non elites on one character (1st profession skills only)

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

It's the simple pleasure of achieving goals. I'm not sure I really want MORE titles to obtain simply because i've got my hands full getting the existing ones. I guess I would like to see a title for number of quests completed though.

Bebe Stevems

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogier
actually i just finished capping all my monk elites, maybe an idea to have a title for having all your elites + non elites on one character (1st profession skills only)
unless i'm misreading this post there already is a title for this called skill hunter... doesn't show up till u cap more than 90 elites though

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bebe Stevems
unless i'm misreading this post there already is a title for this called skill hunter... doesn't show up till u cap more than 90 elites though
He's saying a title for unlocking your entire primary profession, both elites and nonelite skills.

Bebe Stevems

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

hehe its so obvious since you put it that way. ignore my post then

August August

August August

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

USA

Rt/

I'm only truely interested in the Cartographer title, just becuase the landscaping of the game is so complex and even beautiful.

NekoZ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Long Island

So Goth We Crap [Bats]

I'm going for explorer because I have nothing else I enjoy doing in GW much anymore (I just bought factions but let's pretend I didn't yet =p) and I enjoy the scenery. It's something fun to shoot for, pointless, but the satisfaction that comes for seeing that 100% is what got me.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Titles are a great idea but horribly botched in their implementation into Guild Wars, in my view.

Getting worse titles than the best one you already have makes it pointless to bother getting them since you can only ever display one title at a time. (Ie: It wouldn't make sense for someone with "Renowned Hero" to want to get "Treasure Hunter" or "Seeker of Wisdom" etc. because then he's never going to use them).

You should be able to display each and every title you have earned at the same time. That would make getting them all have an actual point. Limiting them to only being able to display one severely limits the fun in having them.

Also it's very bad that titles only show up in towns. They should show up 100% of the time.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

It added a goal to the PvE world other than fancy looking weapons and armour. Although I personally am not too fond of the Wisdom, Drunkard, or Treasure Hunter since anyone who has grinded for gold can get these titles with ease (even though this is supposed to be a grind free game).

Rahl

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
...Although I personally am not too fond of the Wisdom, Drunkard, or Treasure Hunter since anyone who has grinded for gold can get these titles with ease...
Well, you are correct about the Drunkard title, but the Treasure Hunter title actually takes a significant time investment to get, unlike drinking '_'

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Titles are for the PvE people that dont like PvPing and want to do something after they beat prophecies/factions. My warrior beat both, so now I'm working on titles.

ThunderStruck

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Arctic Marauders [TAM]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Titles are for the PvE people that dont like PvPing and want to do something after they beat prophecies/factions. My warrior beat both, so now I'm working on titles.
Yup! I'm only moderatley interested in PvP, so titles are for me!

On a slightly off topic note: I STILL don't understand why there is no exp based title, even if there is no way to max it!

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderStruck
On a slightly off topic note: I STILL don't understand why there is no exp based title, even if there is no way to max it!
1) Every bot would have it
2) It would be too easy to get

kang

kang

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

The Confidential Men [Cmen]

W/

I would like some easy to get titles, because right now I am trying to get PoT (protector of tyria) and there is nobody on any of the missions, I know what u are gonna say "get hench all missions are doable with them" yes all missions are, but its annoying trying to do the fire island bonus's with the hench running in thinking about nothing but swiping their weapons (much like some randoms). SO in order for me to get my title I have to rip some guildies away from PvP to do it

btw 20/25 on the track

SO far the only titles I have are Tyrian expolrer on my tyrian warrior and Canthan explorer on my canthan warrior, both only 60% the only title I could eventually get is seeker of wisdom, but ive already lost ALOT of money on keys and only got 20 golds

So I would like some easier to get titles, or titles that are hard to get, but dont involve hours of work (such as one really hard task, rather than hours of doing the same thing....

Just my thoughts

Sientir

Sientir

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

At DigiPen.

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

Personally, I would like some sort of profession related title. I would seriously love to have some sort of Lich title for my Necro, for example. I've had several ideas about this. Probably the first one was for skill collection (like what Rogier mentioned). That is definately something I'd be interested in. Overall, I like titles, though I'd also like some more universal ones. One of the biggest problems with talking about adding titles though is that it seems the general response is something along the lines of (generalization only), "Pointless, way too easy to get and would cheapen the 'Kind of a big deal' title." Honestly, I'm questioning the KoaBD title simply because it gives people a greater reason to reject title suggestions. >:[

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrus
i for one would love an balthazar point title.. i have over 400k points of balthazar points but no way of showing that.. rank is hopless for me to get becouse noone would like to group with someone that hasent a rank title.
im trying to get a gladiator title in random arena, but its so damn hard with different pugs and classes that i only have got 14 points of lots of playing..
A faction title would be like an exp title - it shows absolutely nothing of your skill, simply of time spent. Not to mention that you don't earn faction once you're fully unlocked, so I imagine that would annoy players who would be interested in the title.

Myself, I think most titles are neat. I've got a beef with treasure hunter/wisdom title though... both of them need to be changed to "farmer". Also, the event titles were pretty stupid. I still got myself charmed and unlucky, leaving my character afk every night, but then decided that 70k is enough wasted money.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kang
So I would like some easier to get titles, or titles that are hard to get, but dont involve hours of work (such as one really hard task, rather than hours of doing the same thing...
I think the general trend with titles is they're designed to show how experienced you are at doing a particular thing (with a few exceptions - drunkard, luck - those are just money sinks) Not to mention there's no "one really hard task" in this game... the closest thing I can think of is completing every quest in UW+FoW.

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

Well without titles this game would just be plain boring with aimlessness. The thing about titles is they helped me find the rest of Tyria that I had missing and I really discovered a few cool things, most notably the Underworld pass at Lornars which was amazing. And yes, you can get a 10% morale boost and enter, and I'm sure if you brought henchies with a 55 build it'd be weird to get a DP before entering the UW for less life... since you'd lose the henchies behind, although it's soooo long and not worth trying heh.

Killaya

Killaya

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ohio

Fabric of Existence [ohGr]

N/Mo

I like the titles. I've had the game completed on my necro for months now, and I'm not really interested in beating Factions on her, so the Skill Hunter title is giving me something to work towards And I have a ways to go- 21 of 90 skills so far. Ugh!

But without the title giving me motivation to get all the elites I never got around to getting before, I would never have gotten Tainted Flesh and other nice ones.

The titles are fun.

floppinghog

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

I would like some combo titles for example : 100% explored both chapters we have now, well can't u show that at the same time?

that type of deal... we can only show one, and someone has to mouse over you each time if they wanna see a diff one.. if they even care anyway.. :P

zakaria

zakaria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Basiclly more than half of the titles are based on grinding and they are huge gold sinks, from Anet point of view it was to suck all this millions that ppl hoarding in game. But i guess it didn't goes as they thought, it encourages players to Ebay more for getting these title...good job ANet

Ashley Twig

Ashley Twig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

germany

Guild Of Openhearted Deeds

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by zakaria
from Anet point of view it was to suck all this millions that ppl hoarding in game. But i guess it didn't goes as they thought, it encourages players to Ebay more for getting these title...good job ANet
Makes me wonder if aNet might be doing that on purpose.
Couldn't it be possible, that aNet itself is selling gold on eBay, to make more money?

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

One title I would like to see is completing the high-end quests/areas in game. Doing all that will require some skill so it won't be just buyable by all the ebay-kids.
Title X : Complete The Deep, Urgoz's Warren, FoW, UW, Titan quests and SF.

Jas

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

Piken Square - American District 1

The Everchanging Path [lost]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sientir
Personally, I would like some sort of profession related title. I would seriously love to have some sort of Lich title for my Necro, for example. I've had several ideas about this. Probably the first one was for skill collection (like what Rogier mentioned). That is definately something I'd be interested in. [
Agreed.

Profession-bound titles would be something nice, but there's at least one problem with them. If you get a title (for example, Lich fot your necro) after getting every single skill for your primary, then what happens when the next part comes out? Do you lose that title until you open all the new skills (which means you'll have to buy the new game)?

And then, would there be levels for those profession-bound titles? What would they be and what should be the limits for getting each level? I do have some ideas but I strongly think that developing such things should be in other part of this forum than here

Blackest Rose

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Its human nature that people like to differenicate themselves from others.

Why would people buy 15K armor otherwise - except it allows them to think that they're above other players.

Same with titles - especially a kind of a big deal.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for titles and envy those with some hard to get but it's natural to want to show everyone that you've explored all the map, are a great PVP'er, have identified lots of stuff etc.

It adds another factor on how to "be different".
Faces, hair color etc only give so many combinations, armor gives more, and now titles give more variation.


I myself have asked for an "adventurer" title for PVE questing - it's in sardelic sanatarium if those of you who want to show support....

Nexus Icon

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Natis Ignigena

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
One title I would like to see is completing the high-end quests/areas in game. Doing all that will require some skill so it won't be just buyable by all the ebay-kids.
Title X : Complete The Deep, Urgoz's Warren, FoW, UW, Titan quests and SF.
Yup, I'd like a title track based on these too.
Hell, there's 6 possible tiers right there.

The one that hacks me off the most is the Skill Hunter title track. It takes skill and experience to capture all of the skills (although admittedly less skill in Cantha than in Tyria due to the fixed boss locations).
And it takes you to interesting places, encouraging you to explore.
But it can't be maxed out? So what's the point in pursuing the title...?
I got to the second tier before finding out that it can't be maxed, and was having great fun pursuing the title, but as soon as I found out that it was never likely going to count towards "KoaBD", my enthusiasm for the title vanished.

I really think it shouldn't be based on capturing ALL of the elites but a set amount, otherwise it'll never be possible to max it out.

Also, if you're going to have pointless titles such as Drunkard, Lucky and Hapless, why not introduce a title track for wins / losses in Fort Aspenwood and The Jade Quarry? ESPECIALLY The Jade Quarry. That would encourage more people to play it.

Lady Lozza

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
It's the simple pleasure of achieving goals. I'm not sure I really want MORE titles to obtain simply because i've got my hands full getting the existing ones. I guess I would like to see a title for number of quests completed though.
Agreed. If only to show how much I have left to do!

myword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Korea

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Nui
Well without titles this game would just be plain boring with aimlessness.
really? thank title god for saving the game then!

miracle how Prophecies survived that long without it, really...

rheasaffier

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

the godless

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by zakaria
Basiclly more than half of the titles are based on grinding and they are huge gold sinks, from Anet point of view it was to suck all this millions that ppl hoarding in game. But i guess it didn't goes as they thought, it encourages players to Ebay more for getting these title...good job ANet
u r so right, as always
however;whish i had some title
maybe there's a lost girl title somwhere in game? LOL
coz i still get lost everywhere (even in real life 2)

markus_thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia(the land of lesser games)

neptunes grace

R/W

"WHAT I THINK ABOUT TITLES"

How is having more titles going to effect the game in a bad way?

If anything its going to give people more options and more Varying choices of types of titles that person would be interested in.
So all and all the more titles that better if its a way to show your skill and dedications interests how you would like to be percieved, so be it.

If people dont like titles, thats their decision, it its not like your forced to go out and collect them,

Tho it would be nice to see more titles that arnt so reliant on repeating the same thing over and over, and more titles that cover more interests and peoples enjoyment in guild wars the better.

Maybe titles for the highest amount of damage dished out to a foe in a time period of one minute.

A title for the number of times you interupted someone.

A title for number of times you survived with under 10 percent health and recoverd.

"One person titles" which are lost when someone over takes them in score, example fastest person to complete main missions in tryia and canatha from start to finish.


Not a real good title but sure the farmers would like it ^^.
Title for number of ecto collected, title for number of jade and amber collected. I know the jade and amber titles would effect Economy jack it up a bit. These titles would effect the prices good or bad thing I dont know.

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Glad someone raised this post.

Titles:

I believe that these came about as a result of many hard core Pve'ers (i'm one btw) feeling that for those hard core Pvp'ers with those cool emotes that anet gave them was not exactly 'fair'.

However my personal opinion of the whole title issue is now getting out of control and is not a fair one either. I elaborate.

1/ Chests: what happenned to all the chests you opened prior to the titkes introduction. Gone with the wind (gwtw)

2/ Identifying rare items/ unlocking items / wisdom: as above

3/ drunk title: waste of time and hard earned gp/k especially after farming was 'fixed' ( notice i dont use the N word "nerfed" )

4/Survivor: very cool? lol you die and you loose it. waste of flaming time (woft)

5/ The 2 that were introduced for the festival lucky or whatever they were. Now these 2 are reall WOFT lol.

imo the titles that correspond to the true nature of pve are, as mentioned somewhere above on this thread are the explorer, protector and elite skill titles. those four show that at least you have done fairly well in the game.

XP titles SHOULD also be made a title, yes there are3 many counter arguments for this such as leaching, bots, 55hps etc etc.

The thing is, that we can have 1001 titles introduced for pve (figure of speech btw) use your imagination.

Anet could have introduced an emote system for us Pve'ers similar to those given to the elite PvP'ers instead of so many lame titles when the core of Pve is simply to triumph at missions/quests and associated matters like exploration and xp, the rest can be scrapped.

My idea of pve titles is simple:

Get one maxed title eg protector of tyria emote of bronze shield
Get two maxed titke eg the above plus protector of cantha emote silver shield
Get three maxed titles eg the above 2 plus tyrian grandmaster cartpgrapher emot gold shield
get four maxed titles eg the above 3 plus canthan grandmaster cartographer emote platinum shield.

once yo obtain platinum shield emote, then and only then should xp count as a title and no need for additional emotes simply, when you activate the emote the true figure of xp to appear under the shield icon.

Looks complex but if y9ou analyse it, the rest of the titles are tottaly irrelevant towrds pve.

New players have a better chance of id'ing rare item than us 'older' players.

Perhaps my idea is not that good but it is a good alternative for titleship, or so i think.

All for now .....

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

ummm you guies can thank me for the tittles, I had to prove fame farming was all about egos :P!

and it still needs to be reworked!

Rent

Rent

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Darkness Within

Mo/Me

Titles don't hurt anything. Why would you complain about them?

Personally I just think it's useful having a number to show me how many more elites I'm missing. Thirty-nine more...

actionjack

actionjack

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kali

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamhunk
ummm you guies can thank me for the tittles, I had to prove fame farming was all about egos :P!

and it still needs to be reworked!
We can? In what way?

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And titles is a optional thing.. and not something to complain fair or not fair, gind or no grind. Its only there if you feel like working for it, and not necessary a must.
but that a bit side track off the topic.

Still want to hear about what people think of titles, its good and bad, and the impact it has on people's game playing.
Do you think it work? Not work?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Titles give you something else to do after youve UAX.

Its fun.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Questing titles - Should include ALL non-repeatable quests, including Hidden quests, Class-specific and normal quests.

UW/FoW titles (2 titles) - Increment each time you do ALL uw/fow quests in ONE RUN.

Normal Skill title - Straightforward. Highest level is for Fully Unlocked characters.

Survivor - Eliminate the 0 death-ever rule, and just give this for achieving the required exp without a death.

Drunkard/Lucky/Unlucky/Wisdom - Silly titles just there for fun, therefore they should NOT count towards KoaBD.

Elite Skills - Make it maxable!

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Two more things I forgot:

Guild Leader/Officer - While these aren't achievements, they would be a GREAT tool for verification and anti-scam. Absolute unfakeable proof that the person is indeed a Leader/Officer.

Show all titles or at least allow multiple titles to be displayed. This is necessary since all the silly titles allow KoaBD at lower difficulty levels.