Dye Pre searing

This morning i made my third character an played through pre searing As anyone I think I spent a few minutes in town buying dye. We all know its cheaper presearing but I do mean I scammed new players in to thinking their dye was useless. Most now know what prices should be but because of a lack of gold presearing it is just in general cheaper. If anyone sold me their dye for too much under what it was worth or some even just wanting to give it way I would explain about post searing and then 99% of the time they would still agree to sell it and thank me for letting them know. If not and they decieded they wanted to hold on to it till post searing I at least knew someone wouldn’t be cursing my name in a few days when they realized.
ANYWAYS,
What I am trying to get at though is that I think I am beginning to see a reverse in the scam on new players. There are of course still lots of people (Well I say alot but by no means do I think all older players in presearing do it) trying to buy dye for way under value (like 50g for silver) but I have now started to see players trying to SELL dye for way OVER the value by claiming its worth that in post. Like this evening someone tried to convince me silver was selling for 3k in post while another tried to convince me that pink and gold dye were "super rare" and that I must shell all my money to them for this once in a lifetime deal. Also I saw alot of black dye going for well over 7k (well not going but being advertised)
First of all who in the world had 7k presearing? I suppose its possible but not likely. Second as I mentioned above I believe if you are going to sell dye presearing you need to take into account that noone has nearly the amount of gold as they will post. If you want to sell your dye for those prices it isn’t to much of an in convince to hold on to it until you are post searing.
Of course I’m sure someone is going to respond "if someone buys it for that then thats what is worth" which normally I would agree with but does it still hold truth when the scale of price is clearly laid out like at dye traders.
Maybe there should be a dye trader in presearing. Separate of course from the supply demand of post.
The same could truly go for runes also although I see no point to them presearing. But the scam is going on there also. Tonite someone was advertising a minor something or other rune for dirt cheap as they put it which was 150. When I pmed them about how much it was worth at the trader he replied 120 and laughed. Now me not really wanting to judge I did type though shame on you with a lol and wink but he replied with a f u and how I was a bad business person.
I guess I didn’t realize to be a good business person I had to Knowingly scam people.

They need a dye trader in pre-searing, end of story. I, too, have seen many people trying to scam-off dyes saying that purple is worth a platinum and so on, it's idiotic.

I started a new character yesterday, i saw someone also saying that they were selling green, red, yellow and silver dye and that silver was 700g and the rest were 550g. There are to many people trying 2 scam noobs, there should be a dye trader

When I first started playing I thought dye was useless and I would sell it at the merchant for one gold piece.

The funniest thing I did, though, was to put black dye on a 5-7 tribal blade. I regretted that once I got to post-searing Ascalon.

I saw a dude selling black dye for 4k at fort ranik in pre searing. He and I both knew that yes it was worth that much, but I promptly told him he'd have more chance to sell it in post searing for that price. I don't know anyone that has even close to 4k in pre searing.

You can get it from the trader for 4k, so I wouldn't pay that much. But, your main point is more than correct, he would've had better luck selling it just by getting out of pre-sear.

Pre-searing has an isolated economy, no one will ever have the money to buy stuff for its post searing price. A Pre-searing piece of gold is worth more than a post-searing piece of gold. The only way to fix this would be to add a storage pre-searing to link the economies (and then add traders to regulate prices.)

This would end the scamming on both sides of the aisle.

I wonder How a person would be able to obtain a rune from a normal salvage kit.

Yes they defently need a Dye trader in pre-ascalon. But that might make an influx of players go to pre-ascalon hunting dye, making the price to drop Or people leaving pre with more than 1plat in their pocket.

I doubt it's the rune itself, most likely the identified but unsalvaged one.

Yes they were like Sekkira said which lead me to beleive also those seelling them for inflated prices probably didnt metion not to salavage them with an expert kit.
While i originally also thought a dye trader presearing waht the answer now Im not so sure. While it would certainly contain the scamming problem it would also create another.
We all said pre and post searing have different economies so dye would still be cheaper pre. We will then have a sudden increase of people making new chars just to buy dye of the trader adn bring it post. The issuse would still be there but I guess though at least it would save new players.
Maybe the real solution owuldbe to not have dye drop presearing.

Since 99% of players instantly upgrade their armor in post (through the armorer or collectors) what is the purpose of dye in pre to begin with? The only reason I see the need for a dye trader is to sell dye TO for the gold. If a player already has characters in post, dye is meaningless except to carry a black or silver with them for the cash.

Actually, a lot of players seem to spend a lot of time in pre-searing. Just the other day I was talking to a bunch of people in Ashford Abbey, and they didn't even know there was a searing and one or two had played since launch.

I was just thinking. If they don't put a dye trader in pre-searing then at least they could put in an NPC in Ascalon City who clues in the new players as to the prices of dye. Maybe even have the NPC give the player a Quest to go retrieve a shipment of dye that was stolen by some Grawls. You may not get any dye out of the quest but you do learn what the stuff is worth at least... Just a thought.

I left with 3.5 plat in my pocket. But ya. ppl in pre dont know the value of dye. I was helping some guy get the rez sig and he askd me what dye was for. i told him to dye ur armor and to save it till post cuz it would be worth more and u wouldnt waste it. with him knowing that. he gave it to me. who says nice guys finish last.

Um...woah. How do you spend that much time in pre-searing?

I personally got my first character to post-searing by accident. I asked a guildie how I got to the PvP arenas, and he directed me to the Academy.

I spend a lot of time in pre-searing myself, actually. You should check out my thread in the Off Topic forum about my compulsive re-rolling addiction.

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i have that same addiction never get a 4th character past lvl 9 befor i kill em

Nice, then I can use this 7 req max damage sword I found for my pre-searing character! >.>

If they really want to kill this problem, they should eliminate dye drops in pre-searing. Pre-Searing characters don't really need it, and it gives a new aspect to post-searing for new players. Just a thought, there are many ways to skin a cat

I';ve seen the suggestion of having the dye trader selling dyes but not buying dyes in presearing. to prevent massive gold haording in presearing. Then once they go through the academy they will still be able to sell all that dye in post searing as normal. but if they actually managed to buy dye in presearing only to sell back post, it would still be close to the value of the NPC buyback price, so it is not abused. But it is setting the fair market price for the dyes that way.

For a while it was possible to make about 2k in 10mins just by crafting steel outside Fort Ranik and reselling it 10 at a time at Lions Arch. They fixed that so it is not abused. They have not with ################### (edited out) yet from another material crafter, but I have assurances they are next to be fixed.

In reference to time spent in pre There are actually many permanent pre characters over level 15, some as high as level 20. These characters are considered the *elite* of pre.There are even several *pre* guilds. And most are quite wealthy. Though I can't imagine having a level 20 character in pre searing myself, way too much time involved on that one, still i can see where it can be profitable to find many black dyes and take them over on a pre mule to sell at post prices. I've accumulated quite a sum of gold on a few pre chars and a fair amount of dye, and it has helped to finance chars in post (weapons, armor etc). Though I dont agree with scamming, and i tell anyone i see in pre what the true value of dye is in post, I do believe that its a necessary part of pre to assist players to accumulate some gold to help them later in post.

umm...my guildie made 10k once in pre...i cant even make 1k lol, well i cant be stuffed lol.

I bought a Vial of Dye [Black] for 4K + Vial of Dye [Green] and [Orange] in Pre-Searing today. I'm rather sure the guy knew it was worth that much, and I didn't feel like scamming anyone anyway. Though, if anyone is spamming: 'Selling Black Dye for 500g!', I won't let him spam that without buying it, if I won't buy it, someone else will, and he'll still be scammed. And some extra K's is always nice.

My dye-trading experience in pre went a little like this:

Me: Buying silver dye for 400g (or something like that)
Some guy: I've got one...
Me: Cool
Some guy: You know its more expensive in post-searing right? like 1K +?
Me: Yeah, so?
Some guy: ... I don't know if I want to sell it when I could get more for it later
Me: Well, it's 500 now or you can wait for a small increase later
Some guy: okay sure
Some guy has traded you 1 Silver Dye for 500 gold.
Me: Pleasure doing business with you

By the time I left pre, I had between my characters like 30 of each "common" dye, at least 12 silver, and 2 black. More than enough to pay for that spiffy new armour for everyone.

just to make a point here are people in pre with excess of 10k i mean take my(or was) overly lvled monk i had there he was stacked in muny i took him outa pre at lvl 15 anyway i collected so many dye b4 i went post i had over 500commen and like 10black and 20silver though wen i went post with that one i sold it all for a load and a half and almost all of it was piked up at 1-5gold apiece off experianced gamers who were well dumb i guess they seemed to know everything the whole story it all yet i still think they were noobs who were acing smart and dumb

I say retarded things to people randomly as a joke, and its idiots like you that honestly believe them. How sad

Wow, that's spooky. I did the EXACT same thing with my first black dye. Doh!

who says a pre sear character dosent need dye?

oh, right, we all want to look exactly alike there, right....
bullcrap.
some of us have even a single charater they keep in presear simply to help out real-world friends that have *just* gotten GW and know absolutely NOTHING about the game....
on a regualr basis i see players unning about in piecemeal colored armours and a lot who look like they spent quite a bit on dyes to match their sets....

i agree on the seller of dyes in pre sear, and of him only selling, but not buying.
not only would you then be able to track how much a dye was costing in post sear (yes, i know its an anacronisme, but frell, why havent our hair grown, or our clothes gotten dirty int he 2 years it takes us to g from the accademy and searing to post, hm? )
but if yu wanted to save the armour you had on your made fist char (the real noobie armour, what your waering when you first appear in pre sear) you can dye it too...

i also like the idea of the box in pre sear, but you shoulf only be ablet o put pre things in it....and then claim it back once you get to post..*for a flat fee, of course lol..call it a retreval fee, since those storeage chests were burried under so much charr crystal and rock tha it took imported dwarves to dig them out

My perma pre charr is at lvl 10 currently and holding 11k. None of the money I have made has been from buying/selling/trading or scamming dye. All of it is just from killing and selling to the merch. I have kept all the dye drops i have (which really takes up a lot of my storage space) but my wife and i are in a race to see who can get one of each dye first. I just need a black and she just needs a white. I have multiples of everything else.

I think we should just leave it be. The value of Pre-Searing Ascalon is in the lessons you can learn before heading out into a wider and more complex world.

Let's not advocate the dumbing down of the game any further. We don't want to play in a game wrapped up in multiple layers of bubble wrap. Civil society (ie community) can protect the innocently ignorant, a game revision isn't necessary.

Make friends people, help new players, talk to each other!

We already rely on too many game mechanics that replace the need for human interaction, we don't need another.

My brother got 22k

That's hurts me inside.


In Pre-Searing your chances of getting Black dye seem to be greater. I got 2 with my first character. I threw them away though. They were clogging up my bag. *sigh* I dunno if I'm right but I think low level area just have better odds of dye drops in general. I went to Fahranur, The First City for reasons I can't remember recently and in one trip I got 3 dyes: Black, Blue, and Purple.

Am I the only one who likes purple and orange dye?

Am I the only one curious as to why this was dug from the grave...lol. I mean look at the first page its been forever since black dye was 4k. This thread is nearly 2 years old....a guru original I guess.

<40k lol..im going for LDOA title so im all about killing and selling

ive bought about 50 blak dyes in pre searing for about 100g a piece but that was when i just started as well and now if i buy dye i try to buy t for around the goin price if only 100-200g cheaper..as for black and silver i try to buy them for 500g still :/

Yeah, it’s ok to scam til you’re rich enough to be generous…

/sarcasm off

dont get what you mean..its not a scam really its bargining..would you turn down an offer..what if someone came up to you and asked if you wanted to buy a perfect weapon for 50k..i bet you wont say.."no ty im rich enough i think ill pay you 100k + 500 ectos for it"

/sarcasm off


i dont walk around saying buying balck dye for 500g..i say wtb vlack dye and people either come to me saying offer or 1000k....stupid but ok...

Hahaha, thats just.. hilarious.. haha.. I mean, they don't know what their missing, they think they have explored the whole game... wow.. haha

Pre-Searing is its own strange little world. I saw someone sporting a Drunkard Title. It is possible with the Hunter's ales, but would take forever. I also saw someone selling a mini-pet so they must have stayed there for a year. I have a lvl 12 monk there that is working on the LDOA title and I have seen some very odd things like dancing troops of identical warriors on the stairs. Some players have special places on the stairs of Ascalon that they reserve for themselves. And you can amass some cash, I have 12K and expect to have a lot more just Charr Farming as I level up.

The other problem with dye in Pre-Searing is space limitations. People hold onto the red iris flowers, charr hides, etc. and before you know it you have no room and no access to storage. So dye is somewhat cheaper and always will be.