Mainly, KIDS are the only ones who get high levels in MMORPGs, them and the rich and those on disability or something O.x
I doubt you'de ever see anyone with a job and HAPPY family life with a level 60 character on WoW. Of course all the high levels are kids, those are the only people who have time. So yah, U SUCK FOR HAVING A JOB! NUB
Bored out of my mind.
Sagius Truthbarron
Pandora's box
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So you are saying that disagreeing is bad? So if someone posts a suggestion I find useless I shouldn't disagree? If that happened, then every single post in the suggestions area would be good ideas, as no one said that they were bad. Disagreement sharpens your mind, and forces you to come up with why your idea is good.
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Kirbie
Hi, Guild Powder
I hope you understand that Guildwars is built on fair play to be competitive.
I'll try to set an example for easier understanding.
Lets look at 100m running for example.
Who do you think earns real respect?
#1 -A person who is age of 20, runs with 7 years old boy and wins.
#2 -A person who is age of 20, runs with a person who has same age and earns victory.
I think person #2 deserves real respect...because he/she earned it competitively with fair match.
In this example, anyone can age...but not everyone can acquire necessary skills to perform a job efficiently than other "competitor".
Hope it helps ^^ and wish you good luck
I hope you understand that Guildwars is built on fair play to be competitive.
I'll try to set an example for easier understanding.
Lets look at 100m running for example.
Who do you think earns real respect?
#1 -A person who is age of 20, runs with 7 years old boy and wins.
#2 -A person who is age of 20, runs with a person who has same age and earns victory.
I think person #2 deserves real respect...because he/she earned it competitively with fair match.
In this example, anyone can age...but not everyone can acquire necessary skills to perform a job efficiently than other "competitor".
Hope it helps ^^ and wish you good luck
Mercury Angel
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Sometimes it seems like people feel they have to repeat their opion countlessly everytime someone else drops something they don't agree with.
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One of these topics is just an echo of the other by the exact same person.
(And yes, I meant to sound redundant for emphasis. >.>)
Nizzim
w/e
People that say this game isnt for you can kiss my ass. You dont know what game isnt for me. I played it, I like it. But it gets boring, its a natural thing thats bound to happen. But it shouldnt happen this fast.
And I'd hardly call this game skill. Everybody has an equal chance, therefore its not skill, its luck. Because if each team has that equal chance where the only way to win is by getting lucky or raping the shit out of the other guys by spiking, it gets boring.
People that say this game isnt for you can kiss my ass. You dont know what game isnt for me. I played it, I like it. But it gets boring, its a natural thing thats bound to happen. But it shouldnt happen this fast.
And I'd hardly call this game skill. Everybody has an equal chance, therefore its not skill, its luck. Because if each team has that equal chance where the only way to win is by getting lucky or raping the shit out of the other guys by spiking, it gets boring.
Eet GnomeSmasher
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If you work harder on the game you should have something to show for it.
Kids can just pick this game up and be lvl 20 like everyone else, with no work. Its not fair. The lvl cap should be like 60. The game can still be about balance, I mean, even now its really not. You dont see many teams with all lvl 20's and a lvl 16. So what would the difference be if it were all lvl 60's? This isnt a real MMO if you cant have a dominance factor. |
First of all, mostly only kids with a lot of free time will be the only ones to reach these high level caps.
And you called leveling up as work. Sorry but I play my games to have fun. Not to do work.
It's not fair that everyone can be on equal footing when it comes to level? And you think that making level differences a major advantage is fair?
You're right there would be no difference if it were all level 60. So what's your point of raising the level cap? Other than frustrating people with grind and repetition?
You DO realize that there other ways to make a game fun right? And other ways to improve your PVPing skills. You dominate with your actual experience and skill not with some artificial in-game advantage. Otherwise, what's the point? You're the same type of people who use hacks to feel better about themselves to beat people.
Sagius Truthbarron
How is having an equal chance luck? What? Obviously it's skill. Maybe if you won more often you would know that it was skill.
You need to be less narrowed minded. And learn to beat other people. How do you think guilds like iQ and Sissy Boys, Ward Against [Insert random slang] win so often? Is it all just luck? Horse shoes? Box of cereal with a leprecon on it?
You need to be less narrowed minded. And learn to beat other people. How do you think guilds like iQ and Sissy Boys, Ward Against [Insert random slang] win so often? Is it all just luck? Horse shoes? Box of cereal with a leprecon on it?
Loviatar
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w/e
And I'd hardly call this game skill. Everybody has an equal chance, therefore its not skill, its luck. Because if each team has that equal chance where the only way to win is by getting lucky or raping the shit out of the other guys by spiking, it gets boring. |
first you say it is luck than you say OR...........they do something not luck limited
make up your mind please
Nizzim
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I don't usually insult people and I'm sorely tempted right now....
First of all, mostly only kids with a lot of free time will be the only ones to reach these high level caps. And you called leveling up as work. Sorry but I play my games to have fun. Not to do work. It's not fair that everyone can be on equal footing when it comes to level? And you think that making level differences a major advantage is fair? You're right there would be no difference if it were all level 60. So what's your point of raising the level cap? Other than frustrating people with grind and repetition? You DO realize that there other ways to make a game fun right? And other ways to improve your PVPing skills. You dominate with your actual experience and skill not with some artificial in-game advantage. Otherwise, what's the point? You're the same type of people who use hacks to feel better about themselves to beat people. |
I dont see youre argument here. Raising the lvl cap gives people the cahnce to play for a longer period of time without losing interest. Because believe it or not, hardcore players did buy this game. And it's not fair that hardcore gamers have nothing to do because they played this game more. The devs should have had something better than pvp to entertain people once they finished it.
Youre going to try and justify the fact that pvp is the only thing to do once youve completed the game? Thats lame as well, especially considering it loses interest quickly if you lose constantly.
Teh Azman
Nizzim if the game is boring for you then it's obviously not the perfect game for you. Nonetheless, you still have the right to play it, we never said you didn't. What annoys us so much is that you all come and rant about how you don't like the game. Here's a thought: We really don't care what you like and what you don't like. Please stop thinking we do and that Anet should tailor the game to the minority who think that just because you have ten more hours to play per day than someone else that you deserve to win. Also, it makes you sound REEEEEEALLY intelligent and important saying "Kiss my ass if you don't think i like this game" because if you did like it you wouldn't be here ranting about every little thing you think is wrong with it.
Man this is a good day for me finally getting to let this out...
Man this is a good day for me finally getting to let this out...
Nizzim
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first you say it is luck than you say OR...........they do something not luck limited make up your mind please |
What? I said nothing other than its luck
Teh Azman
The game wasn't designed for hardcore players, it was designed for casual players.
Loviatar
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What? I said nothing other than its luck
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Eet GnomeSmasher
You really don't get the point Nizzim. Raising the level cap does NOTHING to raise interest in people, except the few who are like you.
Raising the level cap does not make me want to do those same missions again. It does not make them more fun. It does not make new content. It doesnt make it fresh.
All it does is make you do the same things over and over longer. And suckers like you fall for it. Why not ask for more content instead? Or new stuff to do?
Uncreative minds and laziness are why high level caps are in so many MMOs these days. It's simply there to mask the fact that there isnt much to do other than to level up mindlessly for eternity.
Raising the level cap does not make me want to do those same missions again. It does not make them more fun. It does not make new content. It doesnt make it fresh.
All it does is make you do the same things over and over longer. And suckers like you fall for it. Why not ask for more content instead? Or new stuff to do?
Uncreative minds and laziness are why high level caps are in so many MMOs these days. It's simply there to mask the fact that there isnt much to do other than to level up mindlessly for eternity.
Nizzim
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Nizzim if the game is boring for you then it's obviously not the perfect game for you. Nonetheless, you still have the right to play it, we never said you didn't. What annoys us so much is that you all come and rant about how you don't like the game. Here's a thought: We really don't care what you like and what you don't like. Please stop thinking we do and that Anet should tailor the game to the minority who think that just because you have ten more hours to play per day than someone else that you deserve to win. Also, it makes you sound REEEEEEALLY intelligent and important saying "Kiss my ass if you don't think i like this game" because if you did like it you wouldn't be here ranting about every little thing you think is wrong with it.
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1. Pvp is tedious
2. Balance isnt always the best choice for fun
Personally I'll play the game for as long as I can, Im anxious to see how it unfolds and...maybe they will make changes. I payed $80, I'm not dropping an $80 dollar investment in two months. I dont have to pay monthly, the graphics are awesome, theres a nice community. It's great. All I'm saying is that theres no real goals to complete once you beat the game. I mean, you reach lvl cap in Kryta most likely, than you beat it.
And after all that work to reach lvl cap and get the skills you've earned, you go to pvp with kids that just bought the game and havent done step one to get there. THATS NOT BALANCED.
Keep PVE and PVP seperate.
And like it has been said, Anet could use constructive critism. Ideas to make something better are not neccessarily a negative thing.
Teh Azman
Very well put Eet. GW WAS designed to be different from the same stick-in-the-mud online games that you see so much of these days...OH wait I forgot, FFXI and WoW ARE different! In WoW you get to grind a midget called a gnome rather than a midget called a Tarutaru to max level!
Mercury Angel
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w/e
People that say this game isnt for you can kiss my ass. You dont know what game isnt for me. I played it, I like it. But it gets boring, its a natural thing thats bound to happen. But it shouldnt happen this fast. And I'd hardly call this game skill. Everybody has an equal chance, therefore its not skill, its luck. Because if each team has that equal chance where the only way to win is by getting lucky or raping the shit out of the other guys by spiking, it gets boring. |
Strategy and planning prior to a match determine what skills, armor, and weapons a person will have on. Are you saying everyone has the same strategy?
If I give identicle packages of Legos (Tm) to 20 children, will they all build the exact same thing?
And then, even if out of coincidence, everyone had the exact same builds, their execution of them differs per person significantly.
One IVEX Trapper compared to another makes a huge difference. Some prefer to hold-up the battle by visibly trapping a small area where the enemy can't avoid it in order to try and grasp and advantage at the start of the battle. Others trap cautiously in locations where the enemy is likely go to mid-battle, and unlikely to remember, to provide and advantage during the middle of the fight.
One Pyromancer tries to throw out AoE fires on the enemy monk, who's moving around and out of the AoE easily. Others will lay down the AoE on the warriors attempting to focus fire on a squishy target and then use their direct damage on the monk. (or look at all the allusions to FPS. The weapons are the same, but the skill of the person using them determines who wins. The players don't just fire off bullets randomly and hope to get a head shot...)
You fail to show an understanding of the combat system.
It is of my opinion that you liked Guild Wars solely because it was new, something different. But the moment that newness wore off, you wanted it to be just another game you used to play. The novelty of anything will wear off over time.
Getting bored of it that fast happens all of the time to different people for different things. If it's happened to you already, then it may be so that Guild Wars isn't for you.
Teh Azman
Actually, I do agree with you a little bit there. It would help maybe to make an arena for level 20 pve characters to duke it out...But the problem there is you won't be able to change your build/secondary/main as easily. This would be repetitive and you and eveyrone else would just come back here whining about it.
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I dont see youre argument here. Raising the lvl cap gives people the chance to play for a longer period of time without losing interest.
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Levelling isn't hardcore, it a lame MMORPG aspect designed to keep people paying monthly subs. I wouldn't get more health and energy in real life from killing stuff, nor would I improve my swordsmanship by swinging a sword around without tuition. But then thats just my opinion, having come from a levelless game like Eve Online....
Loviatar
[QUOTE=Nizzim]I I mean, you reach lvl cap in Kryta most likely, than you beat it.
happily you are wrong
you may reach the cap by Kryta but that is even before Lions Arch which is so far from the finish it is silly
you have a long way to go
enjoy it
happily you are wrongyou may reach the cap by Kryta but that is even before Lions Arch which is so far from the finish it is silly
you have a long way to go
enjoy it
Nizzim
"Getting bored of it that fast happens all of the time to different people for different things. If it's happened to you already, then it may be so that Guild Wars isn't for you."
arghhh, I play it, I dont really complain that much. I mean, im not typing this with hatred for GW.
It's just that I'm stating things that I think would make it more fun. You guys take it soooooo seriously, I mean jeez, chill out.
arghhh, I play it, I dont really complain that much. I mean, im not typing this with hatred for GW.
It's just that I'm stating things that I think would make it more fun. You guys take it soooooo seriously, I mean jeez, chill out.
Nizzim
WHAT?
I said you reach lvl cap (which is a big part of the game) by kryta.
Then you go on to beat it, I never meant you beat it at kryta. I've beaten the game loviatar, I know where it is.
Thanks though
I said you reach lvl cap (which is a big part of the game) by kryta.
Then you go on to beat it, I never meant you beat it at kryta. I've beaten the game loviatar, I know where it is.
Thanks though
The Great Al
stop being so defensive of your precious little game...it does get boring after a while, and anet doesnt care because you're only charged a one time fee anyway
Andy_M
You really want MORE grind in the game ?
Loviatar
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WHAT?
I said you reach lvl cap (which is a big part of the game) by kryta. Then you go on to beat it, I never meant you beat it at kryta. I've beaten the game loviatar, I know where it is. Thanks though |
sorry i just meant there was a nice bunch of stuff beyond Kryta
thought it would cheer you up
Nizzim
Oh trust me i know. And It gets super tough, and the fire islands were a blast for my pyro mancer doing 20 dmg with a 15 fire magic lvl.
hahah, I love this game, I wish the devs could mess with the coding in game like in the beta
hahah, I love this game, I wish the devs could mess with the coding in game like in the beta
Eet GnomeSmasher
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stop being so defensive of your precious little game...it does get boring after a while, and anet doesnt care because you're only charged a one time fee anyway
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GW certainly isnt perfect but raising the level cap just isnt going to improve the game.
The Great Al
that wasnt directed towards you, it was to the people who go nuts when someone (god forbid) points out something that isnt perfect about their game
Teh Azman
Not going nuts its just fun arguing about this type of thing but yeah we think the game is how it was supposed to be, grind free, and its basically the only grind free game there is. If Anet took these "Add grind" suggestions into mind, this game would instantly suck and be the adversary of everything it was intended to be, and would also lose every single thing unique about it that brought many of us here.
but yeah we think the game is how it was supposed to be, grind free, and its basically the only grind free game there is. If Anet took these "Add grind" suggestions into mind, this game would instantly suck and be the adversary of everything it was intended to be, and would also lose every single thing unique about it that brought many of us here.
Mormegil
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People that say this game isnt for you can kiss my ass.
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And I'd hardly call this game skill. Everybody has an equal chance, therefore its not skill, its luck.
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Because if each team has that equal chance where the only way to win is by getting lucky or raping the shit out of the other guys by spiking, it gets boring.
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Since you mentioned spiking, you probably entered Tomb once, got wiped out by a less than decent team whose only strength was calling targets, and thought: "hey, slaying those lvl 9 chars in World of No Friends with my lvl 60 Tauren is way more compelling!!! lets post that the game sucks"
Nizzim
who said it sucks?
NiGht_HaWk
Nobody seems to have quoted on this statement by Nizzim
Well obviously it will get boring to you if you LOSE all the time! Thats why if you actually practiced more and increased your SKILL, you would actually have a chance to win.
You say you want to be the top in this game and dominate. Well buddy, you obviously DONT want to get to the top because you dont TRY and practice PvP. Thats why you lose constantly.
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Youre going to try and justify the fact that pvp is the only thing to do once youve completed the game? Thats lame as well, especially considering it loses interest quickly if you lose constantly.
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You say you want to be the top in this game and dominate. Well buddy, you obviously DONT want to get to the top because you dont TRY and practice PvP. Thats why you lose constantly.
hotspur
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I dont know what to do. Theres nothing i can do. I completed everything and pvp got boring too. I have almost everything unlocked anyway and my Faction points are 4230
They need to increase lvl cap and give more attrutbute points. I just dont get it. We need something to show our dominance over others. Why should I look and be just as strong as some other random person who BARELY PLAYS while i bust my ass day in day out and cant get better than him |
Nizzim
I did practice pvp, but when all these noobs can just start pvp, you tend to join shit groups.
Dont deny that
Dont deny that
Teh Azman
Actually I've heard of players with enough skill that single-handedly beat the other team after the rest of his was dead. Like night hawk said it's possible to dominate if you have enough skill, but you obviously don't have enough to pull something off like this and dominate.
Teh Azman
Also I would refrain from using the term 'noob' as it just makes you look even more unintelligent than what you've already shown with the "Kiss my ass" remark.
Mormegil
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Also I would refrain from using the term 'noob' as it just makes you look even more unintelligent than what you've already shown with the "Kiss my ass" remark.
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Not to mention the fact you've been metaphorically beaten to death by nearly anyone posting in this thread, Nizzim. Putting the blame on "generic noobs" won't help you.
Icarium
Ouch . . .i would hate to think that anybody is getting there asses handed to them by templates . . .there "good" but anybody who has beat the game and done any PvP, shouldt have to much trouble with it . . Then again i love losing :P so who knows
Sir Skullcrasher
they don't need to raise the level cap cuz people would have to grind away in order to get to higher level! Also Nizzim.. good friend your back again! holy crap, i thought you move on to a new game this time instead your back on the forum and acting tough!
If A-net raise the level cap, it would force people to grind away to get to the max level and people would come on to the forum and post endless thread of "omg stupid grind!!" or "omg i hate the level cap" or "i got owned by level 100 charater, what should i do?"
Making level cap at 20 is decent, making it higher would get more complains about the game!
If A-net raise the level cap, it would force people to grind away to get to the max level and people would come on to the forum and post endless thread of "omg stupid grind!!" or "omg i hate the level cap" or "i got owned by level 100 charater, what should i do?"
Making level cap at 20 is decent, making it higher would get more complains about the game!
Nizzim
NEVVVVVVVVER
I have some crazy tendancy to argue. Cuz I know someone somwhere will agree
Everyones entitled to their oppinion, no matter how straight foward it is. Thats what forums are for, voicing your oppinion
I have some crazy tendancy to argue. Cuz I know someone somwhere will agree
Everyones entitled to their oppinion, no matter how straight foward it is. Thats what forums are for, voicing your oppinion