"gl and hf" really an insult for americans ? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Yabba

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 10:52 - 1

basically i know that it isn´t.

and my question isn´t completely serious but i`m wondering about the reactions a simple "gl and hf" causes ...

i`m a nice person and in my oppinion we all play the same game and hopefully we all play to have fun.

so before a fight starts in the tombs i say something like "gl and hf all" , "good luck all", "have fun all" and similar things.

now from a european team you usually get answers like "yes, you too", "hf all" , "gl all"

from korean teams you get either no response or "thx, you too", "gg" or "gl"

now from american teams you get in 90% of all cases:

"you suck"
"euro sucks"
"die !!!! "
"you`re gay"
"suck my d*ck"
"nah"

and many similar answers

why is that ?
doesn´t "gl and hf" mean "good luck and have fun" in USA too ?
or is having fun in a game considered a bad thing ?

anyone here who can enlighten me on the thoughts, brains, souls and inner demons of americans in the tombs ?

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 11:09 - 2

I have stopped caring about "gl&hf", I'm like "whatever". I usually reply with "bad luck and have fun"(not only in GW). At least I'm honest that way.

But people who react that way would react the same no matter what you'd say.

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

11 Jul 2005 at 11:11 - 3

When I see "gl and hf" I think "Now there's someone I wouldn't mind partying with."

People are just assholes sometimes, though.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

11 Jul 2005 at 11:12 - 4

lol... I don't have first hand experience with this game, but I'm not surprised. After being horribly mutilated by a Korean team in GvG (my first time) I said "sugo ha se yo" which means well done. It was met with thank you (and then sugo yo, shortened version) and exclamations of surprise

Principa Discordia

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

11 Jul 2005 at 11:30 - 5

Double you tee eff? I have never had someone go overboard because I said "good luck"/"have fun". What the hell have I missed?

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 11:33 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yabba

now from american teams you get in 90% of all cases:

"you suck"
"euro sucks"
"die !!!! "
"you`re gay"
"suck my d*ck"
"nah"

and many similar answers

why is that ?

Lemme tell ya why...you see, in America alot of children, juveniles really, play video games. Of the Americans that play GW, I would say at least 60% are juveniles. Of these juveniles, I would say 80% are wimpy nerdy kids. Because of this, they feel the need to 'flex' their testoserone, and an anonymous game is the only outlet where they wont get physically hurt.

Rest assured, these comments are coming from kids. Also, rest assured that it is in no way considered appropriate behavior, and were they to try crap like that in real life they would indeed be 'pwnd' or whatever those nerdy dorks are saying these days.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

11 Jul 2005 at 11:35 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

they feel the need to 'flex' their testoserone, and an anonymous game is the only outlet where they wont get physically hurt.

brilliant... I've seen this on every online media I've taken part in.

Auntie I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Veritas Invictus

E/Me

11 Jul 2005 at 12:28 - 8

Just so you know, it's not all American teams. I know it seems like the majority, but there are some of us who will respond politely or even beat you to the punch with a "gl" or "hf".

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

N/

11 Jul 2005 at 12:58 - 9

And just so you know it's not only US ppl that are rude. Cant tell you how many times I have seen "stupid fat Americans" or some such comment.

Kuku Monk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Me/E

11 Jul 2005 at 13:30 - 10

Everyone is giving me a bad name....

There is no benefit from being rude...if I had kids who did that I would throw the computer out the window and run it over a few times. Rudeness gains you nothing in this life.

Paladin_Adoni

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Cult of the Sacred Axe

W/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 13:33 - 11

there american (well 80% of them) what do you expect.

I mean, you've seen americans on TV right?

:P

Vegas Kyz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/W

11 Jul 2005 at 13:35 - 12

Kids these days.

Diomedes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Blue Island (think Chicago)

Me/N

11 Jul 2005 at 13:51 - 13

Quote:

there american (well 80% of them) what do you expect.

I mean, you've seen americans on TV right?

:P

Not that I typically nit-pick other people's posts, but as you're knocking all of America right now...

Do you mean they're U.S. citizens? That way you can leave the rest of north and south America out of it? And use the proper "they're"?

Personally, I usually say g/l h/f when I start a PvP match and I've only once had someone get ticked off about it. The funny thing was that he was on my team in a PUG. He kept switching over to team chat and saying, "Man, who the **** says things like g/l, what a n00b, I hope we beat their team!" all the while not noticing that I was actually on his team. That actually amused the crud out of me

-Diomedes

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

11 Jul 2005 at 14:31 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

Everyone is giving me a bad name....

There is no benefit from being rude...if I had kids who did that I would throw the computer out the window and run it over a few times. Rudeness gains you nothing in this life.

I'd be more inclined to throw them out the window and run them over a few times. Wasting a perfectly good computer is no option.

Deviant

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Austin, Tx

The Furies

Me/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 14:36 - 15

Personally, I don't see the point of wishing someone good luck. To me it's like, "I hope you get lucky and kill me." Now, once it's over, "gg"s all-around, because it is a game. But, my response is usually not to say anything at all. There really is no point to being rude about it, but it's the type of behavior you come to expect online.

Ochadd

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

LOT

E/R

11 Jul 2005 at 14:57 - 16

Personal preferrence, I find abbreviating things like that extremely annoying.
"Good luck and have fun!" is not that difficult to type. Same goes for "Thanks" and "Thank you".

TY! = Suck my balls cheese monkey!
gl and hf all! = Goat raping sh*t eater!

That usually results in an interesting rest of mission.

Diomedes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Blue Island (think Chicago)

Me/N

11 Jul 2005 at 14:58 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviant

Personally, I don't see the point of wishing someone good luck. To me it's like, "I hope you get lucky and kill me."

Well, to me, I usually state it if it's a friendly game. While I'd certainly like to win, I'd rather have fun and a casual game is often more fun to me (hence, "good luck, I'm not that attached to the outcome of this battle"). The other reason I mention it is because I'd rather fight a team that's not terrible. While it can be fun to win 10 to 0 in the lava arena, I think I'd rather have a 5-4 close victory. It's the really close games that leave me feeling satisfied no matter if I've won or lost. Plus in the tough fights I usually learn the most. So the g/l is (to me) more in the spirit of, "fight well". However "f/w" isn't a well recognized series of characters unlike "g/l", hence to save my fingers a work out I often go with "g/l"

-Diomedes

Talesin Darkbriar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

California - irrigated desert...

The Myrmidon

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 17:07 - 18

I've personally found that stating things like:
Love the EU!
Brussels rules!
I LOVE Kim Jong II!

usually yields more a negative response than gl,hf, fu, etc...
my personal favorite remains: cesm!
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys...

Talesin

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

11 Jul 2005 at 17:13 - 19

I usually say gl gh, carry over from MW. They get mad? Fine. They wish me gl and gh? Fine. Either way we're both trying to kill each other. Win or lose, I do appreciate a gg at the end, but if it doesn't happen? Fine.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 17:16 - 20

Oh, one thing : I don't know about you people, but I just can't take "GL&HF" seriously. If someone actually wants a "good game", he should at least bother to type it in full

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 17:24 - 21

PvP is fun! sometime my guild will say "GL" or "HF" to other team but most of the time, we don't say anything and just fight till there a winner! But when the game end, we usually say good game to the other team.

Yabba

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 17:29 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diomedes

Well, to me, I usually state it if it's a friendly game. While I'd certainly like to win, I'd rather have fun and a casual game is often more fun to me (hence, "good luck, I'm not that attached to the outcome of this battle"). The other reason I mention it is because I'd rather fight a team that's not terrible. While it can be fun to win 10 to 0 in the lava arena, I think I'd rather have a 5-4 close victory. It's the really close games that leave me feeling satisfied no matter if I've won or lost. Plus in the tough fights I usually learn the most. So the g/l is (to me) more in the spirit of, "fight well".

-Diomedes

same here

Quote:

Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

But when the game end, we usually say good game to the other team.

i usually only say good game if it really was one.
saying "gg" when my team just slaughtered the other one without breaking a sweat would seem a bit like mockery to me

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

11 Jul 2005 at 17:37 - 23

Anonymity = No repercussion

For people raised where the only thing preventing them from misdeeds is punishment, when you take away the looming punishment, there's nothing holding them back.

This isn't restricted to any particular race, nationality, or age set. (Although, there's probably a loose correlation with age.)

Some people have simply figured that out and realized they can get away with quite a bit, and so they do it, whether it's being foul-mouthed bad sports or purposely AFKing in a mission or in PvP to gain a free ride.

No different from anywhere else really, though. It's just more pronounced. There're those who'd steal from friends easily in real life, given reassurance they couldn't be caught. Those who'd plagiarize the works of another for a class. And so on and so forth. Just a little perspective check, goodness knows I need them once and a while.

Xue Yi Liang

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Northern CA

Outlaws of the Water Margin

Mo/Me

11 Jul 2005 at 17:49 - 24

In America where we're inclined to apply a lesser degree of discipline to our children (in general) it should be no surprise that some kids will demonstrate rude behavior. But it's not a reflection on the habits of ALL American kids and even less of a reflection on Americans as a whole. Remember that it only takes a vocal minority to make us all look bad - so don't hold it against us. We (meaning most Americans from the US) are as annoyed by seeing rude behavior as anyone else.

I was born in the U.S. but lived abroad for several years in Europe and in the West Indies - and I noticed that most people's impression of the U.S. comes from our movies and television. I'll be the first to announce that those Hollywood portrayals are caracatures of real American life - sensationalized for the sake of entertainment. The U.S. is so large and diverse it isn't hard to find maladjusted folk to sit on Jerry Springer (for example) - but that's not what Americans are like.

BrandonIT

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Dallas, TX

Tribal Instincts

R/E

11 Jul 2005 at 18:27 - 25

Personally, I enjoy seeing other players take the time to wish everyone good luck. I feel that's just good sportsmanship. This is, after all, just a game. In theory, the better team will win, and lesser team will lose.

Admittedly, in PUG's in Arena, I'm usually too busy getting coordinated with my current group to converse with the other team much.

But after the game, I always say good game or /salute. No one should get their feelings hurt by losing, and at the same time, winning doesn't necessarily mean you are better. Sometimes you just get lucky. Nothing is ever certain...

When I win, it's "good game." If I lose, it's "good game" and I'll hope to meet them again. Either way, I hope everyone had fun.

It makes no sense to insult someone who's only wish is for everyone to "have fun". It is, after all, a game.

HOMIE_G64

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Recruit Meh!

W/E

11 Jul 2005 at 18:58 - 26

u really need to cool off. seriously. just becuz u get into a team that is in a bad mood dosen't mean that you have to flame everyone for it. i mean, i usually say stuff like that, and i get positive responses. and the part where u said "Euro Sucks" i saw a guy that actually wanted to TRANSFER to Europe not say it sucks. and when he asked how, no on flamed him for being a Euro lover and told him how to do it.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

11 Jul 2005 at 19:32 - 27

I love being the one attacked in GvG. When the other team is standing at the catapult saying things like, "come out and fight", I just respond with stuff like "I fart in your general direction!" "Your mother was a newt and your father smelled of elderberries!"

It usually gets a laugh or two. The first time I did it, my guild leader whispered to me, "don't be so mean to them, its only a game".

I had to explain to him about John Cleese, Eric Idle and the boys.

Xue Yi Liang

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Northern CA

Outlaws of the Water Margin

Mo/Me

11 Jul 2005 at 19:38 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

I love being the one attacked in GvG. When the other team is standing at the catapult saying things like, "come out and fight", I just respond with stuff like "I fart in your general direction!" "Your mother was a newt and your father smelled of elderberries!"

It usually gets a laugh or two. The first time I did it, my guild leader whispered to me, "don't be so mean to them, its only a game".

I had to explain to him about John Cleese, Eric Idle and the boys.

Well you better be sure the other team understands as well.
In a different game I came across a clan with the interesting initials "BFD" - which has a specific vulgar meaning where I grew up. I commented on it thinking I was in on their "inside joke." Turns out they were a Japanese clan that naturally thought I was insulting them. In the end I was able to explain myself - but the atmosphere was rather uncomfortable until then.

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

11 Jul 2005 at 20:14 - 29

I have no offence to anyone telling me gl hf. I have never seen anyone ever get upset about it. I did it all the time in my previous game and then everyone started chanting in. This was an american team too. Its just that "gg" at the end of the match that annoys the hell out of me. I know you really don't mean it so cut the crap. I also think of it like whoever says it to be arrogantly saying it. Like gg noob.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

11 Jul 2005 at 20:35 - 30

I say gg at the end of every match, even if I lost. Its just good sportsmanship IMO.

Skean Dau

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

British Columbia, Canada

Me No Lickey Guilds!!

Mo/W

11 Jul 2005 at 20:56 - 31

I have been brought up (In Canada) with a few specific guildlines to live by:

1. Second place is the first loser
2. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
3. Be gracious in Winning and Losing.
4. Be a realist.

See, where the problem arises is with people that feel that 1&2 cant coexist with 3&4.

I hate to lose and will not say gg unless it truely was one (like a previous poster said, a 10-0 pasting is not a GG), but I also wont offer up excuses, rants, blame.

I don't ever say g/l, because in reality I want all the good luck (see #4). But I would never trash talk, slander, or insult other teams unless done so in humour.

So I think the lesson I am trying to follow is another failry good life lesson:

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....unless you are quoting Monty Python.

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

11 Jul 2005 at 21:05 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

"Your mother was a newt and your father smelled of elderberries!"

Hamster. Your mother was a HAMSTER and your father smelled of elderberries.

You're confusing that quote with "She turned me into a newt. But I got better.."

Manderlock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

TX

Crimson ScS

W/N

11 Jul 2005 at 21:07 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skean Dau

I have been brought up (In Canada) with a few specific guildlines to live by:

1. Second place is the first loser
2. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
3. Be gracious in Winning and Losing.
4. Be a realist.

See, where the problem arises is with people that feel that 1&2 cant coexist with 3&4.

I hate to lose and will not say gg unless it truely was one (like a previous poster said, a 10-0 pasting is not a GG), but I also wont offer up excuses, rants, blame.

I don't ever say g/l, because in reality I want all the good luck (see #4). But I would never trash talk, slander, or insult other teams unless done so in humour.

So I think the lesson I am trying to follow is another failry good life lesson:

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....unless you are quoting Monty Python.

Tis only a flesh wound

IndyCC

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Standing United (UNIT)

11 Jul 2005 at 21:11 - 34

I am american and I have no problem with the gg, gl, or hf. In fact from my RTS background it was something that was always done. I have never seen anyone get upset when any of these things are said. Not on GW or any other game. But seeing how PvP is intended to be competive I am always so tempted to throw the line from the book "Dune"

-"May thy knife chip and shatter."

It just seems to fit the fantasy gladiator aspect so perfectly.

Kaylee Ann

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:14 - 35

Who cares, I mean seriously..... Nothing you say either good or bad is going to stop me from trying my best to run you over anyways. Its a stupid damn game that you all take entirely too seriously.

Big Fat Duck

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:16 - 36

we americans have too much american pride

nuff said

Talesin Darkbriar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

California - irrigated desert...

The Myrmidon

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 21:24 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

I say gg at the end of every match, even if I lost. Its just good sportsmanship IMO.

Here's a man who gets the point.
Well said Sereng!~

I wonder if the same people who pitch a fit in game would do the same in real life? I used to think no, but as of late I find myself wondering!

Talesin

Manderlock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

TX

Crimson ScS

W/N

11 Jul 2005 at 21:29 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fat Duck

we americans have too much american pride

nuff said

Damn right Im proud to be an american, and if thats too much pride then so be it.

Truth is there are ignorant people in this WORLD you cant just try and blame it all on one country. Ive heard some koeans and euros say the same crap that yall are raggen on the americans for.

And remember profiling is wrong