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Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:25 - 1

Why cant i stack a minor and superior rune or hell why cant i stack all 3?

As long as each rune is on a different peace of armor why cant i?

I find it unfair. I want lvl 20 bone horros but yet can only get to 18 due to limitations on the runes.......

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 19:27 - 2

With stacking, you can get +9 to any attribute, or +225 life, I consider either of those cheap.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

11 Jul 2005 at 19:36 - 3

I would love to see runes stacking in your inventory but would not like to see stacking on the same piece of armor. I personally think this would be very unbalancing. Think of rushed pre-level 10 with lvl 60 armor loaded with 12 runes in the PvP Ascalon Arena all for the points to unlock stuff.

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:37 - 4

.....why do so many people want the least amount of stuff they can possibly have? You rather have +3 rather than +9? why what for? its not like runes are expensive. THIS COULD make them expensive. Barely anyone uses superiors or majors because of the health lost.....

Increase that and let us stack and we have a balance.

Less health but more stats.

Only one peace of armor each.
That is fair.

drowningfish999

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Awakened Tempest [aT]

11 Jul 2005 at 19:41 - 5

It isn't balance, because the health decrease doesn't outweigh the stat increase. Imagine a monk running around with 5 superior healing runes. Thats a possible 28 healing prayers if he has the head piece too. Even if he has like 200 health, he could heal himself full with practically any spell.

Or imagine a nuker with 28 fire magic....

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 19:41 - 6

Can you imagine an air elementalist with +15 to air? they could do around 200 damage with a single ability. Sure they would have -375 life, but with a good monk with vital blessing, endure pain, demonic flesh, etc. that could be overcome.

Silmor

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:42 - 7

Same reason why there's a cap on sword damage, a cap on attribute points and all those pesky things that keep you weak. Balance.

You use the word, but you have no clue to what it entails.

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:42 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Barely anyone uses superiors or majors because of the health lost.....

Untrue.

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

why do so many people want the least amount of stuff they can possibly have? You rather have +3 rather than +9? why what for?

It's called balance. A concept you seem unable to grasp.

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:44 - 9

sorry to burst your SMALL bubbles but you can only use each rune ONCE that was my goal all along. If you had read my post

ONE MAJOR
ONE MINOR
ONE SUPERIOR

in different armors.

thats only +1 +2 +3= +6 total

Linkie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Norway

P/W

11 Jul 2005 at 19:45 - 10

Wow Guild Power, why do you love big numbers so much?

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 19:46 - 11

It would still be unbalanced.

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:48 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnansnow

It would still be unbalanced.

How can that be unbalanced if you can use all 3 runes only.....

Its fair. Everyone is able to get them.......

What is with you and unfair?

If using all 3 runes that are AVAILABLE TO BUY is unfair then you got a problem.....

Explain to me how that is unfair.

better yet why not just give everyone exact same items/armor/stats and save us the time of even playing?

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

11 Jul 2005 at 19:48 - 13

a little bit of ritalin goes a long way

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

11 Jul 2005 at 19:50 - 14

That's my personal opinion on it. Guild wars is setup so there is minimal in regards to equipment / weapon and combat with team play, it's more about how you set up your skills, how it meshes with the team and team tactics, not your equipment overall.

Your idea is well thought out, I just disagree with it that's all.

If you can stack say 2 pieces of the armor with 6 runes to pump up Fire for example to about +10 (aka 30) then counter it with 6 runes on the other 2 pieces of nothing but health. It raises the ceiling for the ultra specialized builds that really on a single attribute.

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

11 Jul 2005 at 19:50 - 15

How is it "not fair" when it's a universal restriction?

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 19:51 - 16

What does this add to the game? I don't see how it adds anything good to the game.

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:53 - 17

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

What does this add to the game? I don't see how it adds anything good to the game.

It adds more stats and lets people do more damage or get higher lvl spirits/minions that they normally couldn't get.

And why have 3 runes if you can only use one?

You should be able to use all 3 once...

Not sure why you are so hell bent on using one and staying balanced..

If its 1 or 3 its still balanced.

Arthur Eld

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Heathenreel

Me/E

11 Jul 2005 at 19:57 - 18

I think you're missing the "unfairness" of this concept. Sure, it would be fair in the fact that everyone would have access to it. But when that much of a boost can be placed into one attribute, there are suddenly spells and skills that can almost completely devastate a character with one use, thus making the strategy element of the game worthless.

Silmor

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:57 - 19

It may be 'fair', but that still doesn't mean it's balanced. ArenaNet designed the skills to have certain effect ranges. Doubling the effect runes can have on attributes is therefore a significant change to those ranges, and will benefit some classes more than others (for instance even higher expertise on ranger, or even higher air magic on an elementalist is quite more useful than pumping curses on a necromancer or illusion magic on a mesmer). I'm quite certain ArenaNet implemented the rune restriction with that precise balance evaluation in mind.

Now you come along and say 'remove the restriction!', and your only argument is a lust for more power.

Emrys

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 19:58 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Why cant i stack a minor and superior rune or hell why cant i stack all 3?

As long as each rune is on a different peace of armor why cant i?

I find it unfair. I want lvl 20 bone horros but yet can only get to 18 due to limitations on the runes.......

My God, do you ever stop crying?

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

11 Jul 2005 at 19:59 - 21

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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

How is it "not fair" when it's a universal restriction?

I think of it as you are "scaling" everyting up from where it is now and provide players who have the better income to be better off at 1st or allow people who buy gold a cheap way to jump in with less skill. In addition to increasing the price of runes, which goes against adding the rune traders (purpose to lower there cost).

Ishamael Sedai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 20:54 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Why cant i stack a minor and superior rune or hell why cant i stack all 3?

As long as each rune is on a different peace of armor why cant i?

I find it unfair. I want lvl 20 bone horros but yet can only get to 18 due to limitations on the runes.......

After reading your other post on rusher's and seeing your continued stupidity in the face of the community, and after reading this I have decided that you are just trying to stir up trouble and don't believe what you are typing.

Ishamael Sedai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 20:59 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

How can that be unbalanced if you can use all 3 runes only.....

Its fair. Everyone is able to get them.......

What is with you and unfair?

If using all 3 runes that are AVAILABLE TO BUY is unfair then you got a problem.....

Explain to me how that is unfair.

better yet why not just give everyone exact same items/armor/stats and save us the time of even playing?

If for some reason though you actually believe what you type I will try to correct your bad logic.

First being available to buy has nothing to do with it? You don't like the idea of putting on 5 superiors but why not since those superior are AVAILABLE TO BUY... I can buy 2 swords that are each 1 handed. Why can't I equip them in each hand since they are available to buy.

Ishamael Sedai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:01 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

.....why do so many people want the least amount of stuff they can possibly have? You rather have +3 rather than +9? why what for? its not like runes are expensive. THIS COULD make them expensive. Barely anyone uses superiors or majors because of the health lost.....

Increase that and let us stack and we have a balance.

Less health but more stats.

Only one peace of armor each.
That is fair.

once again correcting bad logic...

This wouldn't but be a momentary bump in the price. If the price got anywhere close to valuable farmers would merely stop farming their spots for weapons and go mass farm riverside hill giants spiking the supply until the price dropped again.

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:05 - 25

I just want to be stronger and prove that i am better than some. With all us being equal i cant prove anything. I play this game 10+ hours a day shouldn't i have something show for it?

Tons of people play this game like mad but have nothing to show. Its not fair that some of you can play this game barely a hour a day and still have the same stuff as us.

Some people even stop playing this game for weeks come back and still the same strenght as us. Thats not fair at all.

So you can sit on the couch for 2 weeks and come back and be as powerful as i am that ihave been playing constantly.

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 21:09 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

I just want to be stronger and prove that i am better than some. With all us being equal i cant prove anything. I play this game 10+ hours a day shouldn't i have something show for it?

Tons of people play this game like mad but have nothing to show. Its not fair that some of you can play this game barely a hour a day and still have the same stuff as us.

Some people even stop playing this game for weeks come back and still the same strenght as us. Thats not fair at all.

So you can sit on the couch for 2 weeks and come back and be as powerful as i am that ihave been playing constantly.

If you want to prove you are better than other people, get D2, there you can easily be the best by grinding for 200 hours.

Guild Wars isn't the game to prove you are the best, it is a game about teams, hence the name GUILD Wars.

People who play this game like mad probably have FoW armor, and all the skills and stuff, while the people who play an hour a day just have droknar's. This is a game that is for casual gamers, not people who like to grind for hours on end.

kleps

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 21:16 - 27

seriously, the difference between this game and D2 is the balance. no characters are super uber like in D2. teamwork is a huge part of this game, as arnansnow said.

Xelig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:35 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

I just want to be stronger and prove that i am better than some. With all us being equal i cant prove anything. I play this game 10+ hours a day shouldn't i have something show for it?

I wouldn't normally use this acronym, but... omfg, that was priceless! Just... wow. Apart from being the epitome of the "prove that i am better"-with-gear gamer, you so do not understand what Guild Wars is all about.

Thanks for the laugh!

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

11 Jul 2005 at 21:38 - 29

Powder - the thing you don't seem to realize is that one of the primary goals of this game was to NOT have it be another "farm forever to be the best" game. It's supposed to be about how you construct your character, how you layer your skills, and how you play what you have.

That's what's called "skill." What you want it to be able to be a doomsday device that can walk over everything. What's the fun in that?

Talesin Darkbriar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

California - irrigated desert...

The Myrmidon

E/N

11 Jul 2005 at 21:51 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Why cant i stack a minor and superior rune or hell why cant i stack all 3?

As long as each rune is on a different peace of armor why cant i?

13 year old alert!
You can stack runes to your heart's content.
You only receive the benefits from the most powerful one however.
Why? Why can't you? Why is life so darned unfair?

Because my young friend, to do otherwise both unbalances the game and is considered cheating.
Tell me, why can't you just take all the checkers off the board and say you won?
Why? Why not? huh? c'mon!

Guild Powder

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 21:57 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

13 year old alert!
You can stack runes to your heart's content.
You only receive the benefits from the most powerful one however.
Why? Why can't you? Why is life so darned unfair?

Because my young friend, to do otherwise both unbalances the game and is considered cheating.
Tell me, why can't you just take all the checkers off the board and say you won?
Why? Why not? huh? c'mon!

why do you mock me when your 42 and play a game instead of working......

I was giving a simple suggestion and you completely flame me for no reason. and im 19 btw.

Soiled Egg Roll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ripon, Wisconsin

IVEX

Mo/

11 Jul 2005 at 22:35 - 32

I know plenty of people who play this game that are over 30, you don't have to be a teen to play games....

Arena.net's main concern seems to be making a fair game for PvP. Meaning that skill/teamwork/strategy will prevail rather than play time. This will never change, and I suggest a regular MMORPG(WoW, EQ2) for you.

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 23:33 - 33

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...earchid=438720

oh

(in othewords, stop posting inane threads)

KuTeBaka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jul 2005 at 23:42 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

I play this game 10+ hours a day.

seriously man, get a life. if you play 10 hours a day, say you sleep for a minimum of 8 hours, that leaves you with 6 hours a day to eat, drink and live your life. get your priorities straight, guild wars is not your life. jeez, go get some friends or something.

Indigo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ivory and Steel

N/Me

11 Jul 2005 at 23:49 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

I just want to be stronger and prove that i am better than some. With all us being equal i cant prove anything. I play this game 10+ hours a day shouldn't i have something show for it?

Skill doesn't come from items. It doesn't come from Runes. Having a rune that gives you an advantage will not show that you are better. It will, however, show that you're willing to sit on your arse for hours on end to either get the money for the runes in question, or to get the runes themselves. No skill involved.

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Tons of people play this game like mad but have nothing to show. Its not fair that some of you can play this game barely a hour a day and still have the same stuff as us.

Sure they do skippy. They have the knowledge that they are better than the rest of the players out there. I read it all the time when I'm in game "listn 2 me i no this mish!!!1 omg!". They also have hours that they will never get back for playing a game. Hours that they spent willingly, granted. You want something to show for your hard earned gold/items? Go join a guild and get in the HoH tournament. Keep favor for the rest of us trying to get into FoW and UW. That would be something worthwhile.

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Some people even stop playing this game for weeks come back and still the same strenght as us. Thats not fair at all.

Wrong again. It's actually painfully fair, and balanced. Why should a few players, who play this game near incessantly, have more advantage than those of us who can't devote 10-18 hours a day? There is no logic behind your argument.

The "because I spend more time than you" argument makes you sound like you're a whiny 12 year old trying to get to level 100 before everyone else.

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So you can sit on the couch for 2 weeks and come back and be as powerful as i am that ihave been playing constantly.

That, my whiny little friend, is what makes this game great.

Some will use strategy, others will grind for items. I'll give you 2 guesses as to who will win 90% of the time.

Krytan Warrior

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/Mo

11 Jul 2005 at 23:50 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Why cant i stack a minor and superior rune or hell why cant i stack all 3?

As long as each rune is on a different peace of armor why cant i?

I find it unfair. I want lvl 20 bone horros but yet can only get to 18 due to limitations on the runes.......

Very simple. It is because the game developers have decided so. You can`t get all that you want, just as in real life. And there is a good reason why things are the way they are: game balance, which is utterly important in a game like this.

Power gaming would really ruin Guild Wars.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

12 Jul 2005 at 00:49 - 37

19 years old, 10 hours a day gaming + 6 to 8 hours sleeping leaves 6 to 8 hours for meals and a job. Just because you can play 10 hours a day doesn't make you a good player. Items won't make you a better player. This game is not about being UBER, it's about strategy. I used to play M:tG, around 96-97 I built a griffin deck because the 3 expansions in that period had lots of them, not the most powerful creatures in the game but I consistently beat the people I played, not 100% of the time, but 70-80% because I had a good strategy. The entire deck had only two rares in it, 60 cards 2 rares, 3.33% rares, the rest were common and uncommon.

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Jul 2005 at 01:35 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

.....why do so many people want the least amount of stuff they can possibly have? You rather have +3 rather than +9?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

ONE MAJOR
ONE MINOR
ONE SUPERIOR

in different armors.

thats only +1 +2 +3= +6 total

You just owned yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Its fair. Everyone is able to get them.......

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

Explain to me how that is unfair.

Gladly. According to your logic, letting every attack be an instant kill would be "balance" because everyone would be capable of insta-killing everyone. So why not just give everyone weapons that do 1000's of damage from unlimited range? Because it is imbalanced.

Blow_Holez

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Mascoutah, Illinois

Dragon Busters (DB)

R/Me

12 Jul 2005 at 01:39 - 39

people flame people too much

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

12 Jul 2005 at 02:04 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

I just want to be stronger and prove that i am better than some. With all us being equal i cant prove anything. I play this game 10+ hours a day shouldn't i have something show for it?

Tons of people play this game like mad but have nothing to show. Its not fair that some of you can play this game barely a hour a day and still have the same stuff as us.

Some people even stop playing this game for weeks come back and still the same strenght as us. Thats not fair at all.

So you can sit on the couch for 2 weeks and come back and be as powerful as i am that ihave been playing constantly.

No, I can sit in my daughter's nursery and reflect on the joy she has brought my family. Guild Wars is a game designed to be enjoyed by all (including those of us who have lives outside of your virtual reality). If you don't like it - don't play the game. There's no reason the rest of us need to have a less pleasurable experience while playing GW just because you have nothing better to do with your time.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html
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