Where are the updates?

suzumebachi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

New Mexico

Mas Chingon [VATO]

R/N

We haven't had a new Game update in two weeks! What the problem is? I'm still waiting for my damn 15k druid armor...

Yorrix

Yorrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

East of England

The Militocracy of Gippeswyk [MoG]

N/Me

Maybe they're waiting until we're a bit more appreaciative. Who knows. *Shrugs.*

Imp

Imp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Novum Igneus [NI]

Rt/

we don't know what will happen tomorrow, keep your pants on.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by suzumebachi
We haven't had a new Game update in two weeks! What the problem is? I'm still waiting for my damn 15k druid armor...
Well you ain't going to get your "damn" anything unless you shut up and wait. They are giving us free updates for a free game as give them a chance.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Well you ain't going to get your "damn" anything unless you shut up and wait. They are giving us free updates for a free game as give them a chance.
You have got that right...!

Arena-Net seems to be Damned if they Do..and...Damned if they Don't...

It is a great game so far.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Uk, England.

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood
You have got that right...!

Arena-Net seems to be Damned if they Do..and...Damned if they Don't...

It is a great game so far.
I'm happy with what they have done so far, and appreciate they do it all for free and no monthly fees other than the initial charge for the game.

Then again, no one is entirely happy all of the time.

Did the OP actually think that maybe they are putting in the finishing touches to the major update instead of all these small updates in between every week?

Personally, I would rather have them focus on the major update and look forward to all the goodies that will bring.

Obsiedion

Obsiedion

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

ENGLAND

IHOP

Mo/

Why is everyone so eager to share this "Christmas morning dissapointment" sydrome with everyone? I mean come on like RTSFirebat says....

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Well you ain't going to get your "damn" anything unless you shut up and wait. They are giving us free updates for a free game as give them a chance.
...

Just enjoy the game, and anything extra is a bonus, then you wont get so huffy when you cant make your little man look Purdy...

Shagsbeard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

They are transitioning from "fix this problem" to "implement this neat-o (tm) feature". Implementation of a new feature or area requires much much more testing, because new stuff introduced to the game can mess up what's already there. There are still problems to fix, but they are becoming fewer and fewer.

I bet Wednesday we'll see the refund points for PvP problem adressed. It's a pretty easy, and non-controversial, issue to deal with. There's not much else I could table that I consider a "problem" with the game, other than purely asthetic problems (like my newly revived henchmen being called a corpse until you cursor over their name).

Expecting weekly updates is counter-productive. They'll update us as they get the job done. If they "have to" come up with something each Wednesday, they will be putting out trash, and we wouldn't like that now... right?

DrSLUGFly

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorrix
Maybe they're waiting until we're a bit more appreaciative. Who knows. *Shrugs.*
lol, kudos...

I'm hoping that this is like the calm before the storm, but in reverse. Perhaps a month long lapse in updates will mean that the next one will be a big one... not just a big one, but THE big one that we're waiting for It is summer after all

Kuku Monk

Kuku Monk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Me/E

This is starting to sound like all the HL2/CS/Steam people

Andy_M

Andy_M

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Worthing, UK

(Don't fear) The Beaver

While I appreciate the points made and respect that the last update was fairly major, why are people calling this a free game ? Dunno about you lot but i paid cold, hard cash for my copy.

Kuku Monk

Kuku Monk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Me/E

I paid cash, but it was neither cold nor hard. They think since you don't have to pay monthly and since mommy and daddy bought it for them that it is free.

drowningfish999

drowningfish999

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Awakened Tempest [aT]

Because you don't have to pay every month, once you buy it, you can play as long as you want. Most online RPG games like this charge a monthly few. Since there is no charge, it's the same as buying an offline game, except you get a bonus.

I really don't understand the huge obsession with updates, you aren't paying for them, so don't complain. It's like complaining your house doesn't get painted for free every week.

theclam

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Relax. They put out an update most Wednesdays. ANet puts out updates much faster than every single other company I know. If this was WoW, you'd be saying, "We haven't had a new Game update in two months!"

CaptainGuru

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mop bucket

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorrix
Maybe they're waiting until we're a bit more appreaciative. Who knows. *Shrugs.*
Why is it in every game everybody thinks the game dev need a hug? I don't care what you create, but you HAVE to accept the criticism from the people you are marketing your produce to. McDonalds has had people rant and rave on them, but you don't see McDs taking all their hamburger back for that.

I mean your post sounds like a immature 9 year old child who takes his toys back from his friend because everybody ignores him. Sorry, Yorrix, once become an adult, you have to take the criticism you get and try to do better when making a product.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

It took two weeks to implement the last patch, skipping *one* weekly update since they went live. After the last patch they deserve a break.

And even still no one knows if they're busy making just as big an update for PvE. So keep your pants on.

Some of you people seem to think that coding and testing new features into a game is easy. Like the man above said, if this were any other online game we'd be waiting *months* for an update.

CaptainGuru

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mop bucket

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy diamond
It took two weeks to implement the last patch, skipping *one* weekly update since they went live. After the last patch they deserve a break.
This is not school, you don't stop for breaks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy diamond
Some of you people seem to think that coding and testing new features into a game is easy. Like the man above said, if this were any other online game we'd be waiting *months* for an update.
I believe that is the fault of ANet for giving the players the impress that they frequently updating to correct mistakes and update content.

And as for other games, like WoW, while it may take months, their stuff bore fruit.

Chris Wallace

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by suzumebachi
I'm still waiting for my damn 15k druid armor...
Im pretty sure you can get it now and it will change when they update the armor. A guild member of mine had the 15K aeromancer set and it changed when they did the update. It is just a skin anyways, shouldnt be that hard to change. Please correct me if im wrong though.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainGuru
This is not school, you don't stop for breaks.
Do you write their paychecks? Are you their boss? No? Then shush!

Also *deserving* a break does not mean they actualy *got* one. Read the rest of the post, I also mentioned the possibility of them working on another huge update, which is much more likely.


Quote:
I believe that is the fault of ANet for giving the players the impress that they frequently updating to correct mistakes and update content.
Oh yeah, it's their fault for doing too good of a job! Now they must suffer the wrath of the impatient players they themselves have wrought!

Indeed!


Quote:
And as for other games, like WoW, while it may take months, their stuff bore fruit.
Oh yeah, Anet's weekly updates have not 'bore fruit' at all!

CaptainGuru

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mop bucket

W/Me

Quote:
Do you write their paychecks?
Yes, WE do! We play for this game and their checks are based on the games success.

Also *deserving* a break does not mean they actualy *got* one. Read the rest of the post, I also mentioned the possibility of them working on another huge update, which is much more likely.

And you need to read the rest of my post.

Oh yeah, it's their fault for doing too good of a job!

At what time in this post did one say they weren't?

Now they must suffer the wrath of the impatient players they themselves have wrought!

It's their own fault for advertising themselves as a weekly updating game.

Quote:
Oh yeah, Anet's weekly updates have not 'bore fruit' at all!
Both the Priest and the lower drops have both backfired or haven't you noticed. Hell their idea to allow characters to go straight to pvp backfire because it's lead to what we see now.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Forget CaptainGuru, he needs to give a negative comment in every thread he comes across, its what he does.

They are allow to take a break if they like, they aren't machines and hats off to them, the game has some things to be added but it will come in time.

I'm happy with the content already in the game

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Forget CaptainGuru, he needs to give a negative comment in every thread he comes across, its what he does.
So I noticed. He seems to think that buying the game entitles him to boss them around. They could have just was easily said that the game was fine as-is, left it at that, and gone on to other things. It still is a complete game after all.

He's one of those "No matter how many good things they do, I'll never forgive those two mistakes!" types. The grass is always greener, yadda yadda yadda..

He just better not ruin the awesome monkey thread in the making!

Antonio Cappello

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Shimmering Blade

E/Me

I think that because of this thread, ArenaNet is going to wait until August for the next update, and temporarily shut their site down. Good job guys. You all screwed us over!!!

But guys, would you prefer that they not make weekly updates? They don't have to, but they do because they respond to the community. Don't like it? Take your copy of Guild Wars back to the store and sell it back to them.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio Cappello
I think that because of this thread, ArenaNet is going to wait until August for the next update, and temporarily shut their site down. Good job guys. You all screwed us over!!!
LOL! Good one.

Main problem? We live in an "instant gratification" world. Whoever said "Patience is a virtue" is probably spinning in their grave.

Take your time AN! Give us a polished, finished update. We can wait.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Uk, England.

E/Mo

Reading some of this thread reminds me of kids in a candy store.

I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want.

If only they understood the meaning of patience, then maybe they would realise that better things can come if they only learn to wait.

CaptainGuru

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mop bucket

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio Cappello
I think that because of this thread, ArenaNet is going to wait until August for the next update, and temporarily shut their site down. Good job guys. You all screwed us over!!!
LOL!

All I can say is " "

CaptainGuru

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mop bucket

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Forget CaptainGuru, he needs to give a negative comment in every thread he comes across, its what he does.
POT....KETTLE!

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
They are allow to take a break if they like, they aren't machines and hats off to them, the game has some things to be added but it will come in time.

I'm happy with the content already in the game
I'm sorry you can't relate to people who work hard working job. Maybe if you did, you would have a better understanding of what's being said.

Yorrix

Yorrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

East of England

The Militocracy of Gippeswyk [MoG]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly
I'm hoping that this is like the calm before the storm, but in reverse. Perhaps a month long lapse in updates will mean that the next one will be a big one... not just a big one, but THE big one that we're waiting for It is summer after all
Kudos.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainGuru
Why is it in every game everybody thinks the game dev need a hug? I don't care what you create, but you HAVE to accept the criticism from the people you are marketing your produce to. McDonalds has had people rant and rave on them, but you don't see McDs taking all their hamburger back for that.

I mean your post sounds like a immature 9 year old child who takes his toys back from his friend because everybody ignores him. Sorry, Yorrix, once become an adult, you have to take the criticism you get and try to do better when making a product.
I am an adult. In fact, I program for a living, so I know all about the update paradox that Shagsbeard mentions. Furthermore, programming is a chaotic art, as the programs that are created can vary extremely from one program to the other. Sure, they (ANet) concentrate on one area: games; but even from game to game the variance that there can be between any two products is great.

My point was about the level of criticism required for the original post. It wasn't as if the point made was a particularly overpowering point requiring extreme mental hypothesis and meditation.

The original post is essentially an 'I want' post. Where as, yes this is the place for game wants, it's supposed to be a place to express constructive ideas for the progression of the game. I agree that any product needs constructive criticism; it's the way they improve. Certainly from my own perspective I have added my constructive criticism to several posts here. 'Where are my updates,' is not constructive, however. Its an 'I want' post, and that in itself is child like.

Yes, even MacDonald’s take criticism. However, "your burgers suck," will never the less be thrown in the bin. A criticism such as, "I have noticed recently that your burgers contain a lot more gherkin in them, and personally I preferred them before this change," is constructive criticism and will be looked into. I would like to state I like the pickled gherkin in MacDonald’s burgers; I don't understand why people take it out.

The original complaint is that, for two weeks (yes, read it, two) they haven't produced an update. Is this because they have abandoned the game? No, far from it, and certainly far too short a time to complain about the lack of updates without any message of abandonment. There are any number of reasons I could think for complaining about the lack of updates. Complaining that a fatal error is not fixed after a month of no updates is a legitimate reason; complaining that your 15k armour isn't l337 enough, after two weeks in a long line of weekly updates there is no update, when we know ANet are working on a free expansion (fact, check their news items) is not a legitimate reason.

I'm not saying don't criticise, in fact I believe the opposite. All I am saying is to express patience and for any criticism made to be valid and constructive. So, you may wish to think twice before criticising people so blindly.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

I noticed lately while commuting to work that the Freeways do not seem as busy. Then it dawned on me it is July and people are on vacation. Then I applied this thinking toward the game updates. Maybe the developers are on a well deserved vacation and they are running on a skeleton staff for awhile. Think about it. They have been working pretty darn hard for the last 6 months at least if not more.

Also I like Yorrix's view on things. She makes a valid point. I would put it like this: "I isn't only what you say...but how you say it..."



EDIT: Typ0s *sigh*

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood
I noticed lately while commuting to work that the Freeways do no seem as busy. Then it dawned on me it is July and people are on vacation. Then I applied this thinking toward the game updates. Maybe the developers are on a well deserved vacation and they are running on a skeleton staff for awhile. Think about it. They have been working pretty darn hard for the last 6 months at least if not more.
Heavens no! This isn't school! People out of school don't take 'vacations' or 'breaks'.

The good Captain said so, so it must be true!!

Dumachum

Dumachum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

na

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainGuru
POT....KETTLE!

LOL you say this to everyone who happens to call your ass out on something.

rwt2006

rwt2006

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

American Border Patrol

W/

Quote:
Reading some of this thread reminds me of kids in a candy store.

I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want.

If only they understood the meaning of patience, then maybe they would realise that better things can come if they only learn to wait.
lol yeah many of these little kids can't appreciate what it takes to do work on these, yeah if an update doesn't come out who cares, maybe the next one will come out saying oh squashed some bugs and you guys would be like OH WHERE IS THE NEW CONTENT

pls quit complaining about updates, new things take time to create, its not like you where mommy still carves the crust off your sandwich in one minute, you need to have patience.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by rwt2006
pls quit complaining about updates, new things take time to create, its not like you where mommy still carves the crust off your sandwich in one minute, you need to have patience.
I'm proud to say that my mom never carved the crust from my sandwiches! I actualy *ate* them!

I'm a big kid now!

rwt2006

rwt2006

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

American Border Patrol

W/

Quote:
I'm proud to say that my mom never carved the crust from my sandwiches! I actualy *ate* them!
Congrats my friend I did the same, it may haven taken some time to eat those awful brown edges but i survived nontheless!!

oh and for those of you whose mommies buy the crustless ironkids bread for you... i want you to know its because she doesn't want to cut the crust off for you anymore

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by rwt2006
oh and for those of you whose mommies buy the crustless ironkids bread for you... i want you to know its because she doesn't want to cut the crust off for you anymore
Which probably means she doesn't realy love you. Sorry kids, truth hurts.

It's all part of growing up.

rwt2006

rwt2006

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

American Border Patrol

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy diamond
Which probably means she doesn't realy love you. Sorry kids, truth hurts.

It's all part of growing up.

Exactly what I was trying to say, oh and when mommy bought this game for you its because she wants to glue you to your computer screen and watch this game suck the so called social life left in you and watch you ruin your life too

lol or maybe she loves you and bought it for you for that reason

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by rwt2006
Exactly what I was trying to say, oh and when mommy bought this game for you its because she wants to glue you to your computer screen and watch this game suck the so called social life left in you and watch you ruin your life too

lol or maybe she loves you and bought it for you for that reason
She bought it so that you'd be distracted while she runs over to the neighbors for the attention she hasn't been geting from dad.