is rank really everything?

dbgtboy

dbgtboy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

irl

i quit playing

ive noticed in tombs that people only accept ranked 3+ and 6+, does rank really mean a rank 2 cant be as good as a rank 6? imo, the person who plays more will obviously have more rank than someone who plays less, but will they have more skill? this is my story, i was in this really good guild that always wins hoh when they go, so we were in hoh 1 night and when we won i reached rank 2, and guess what? i got booted out..... people are starting to not care about how much skill you have, only rank, if someone in a guild such as zpzg was a rank 2, does that mean they suck? and on top of all that, some loser that has no friends and no life outside of guildwars who was in the group starts making fun of me in pms so i told him i have a life outside of guildwars unlike himself and he got mad and ignored me. Fortunately, i am now in a much funner guild that can also play tombs and win, but this one is all rank 3's, we even beat plus and have made it to the hoh many times.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Rank isn't everything, but if you are making a pug the higher a persons rank generally the better they are. Not always but generaly.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Now THIS is a waste of your time, man.

Go live real life, you'll make us all happy.

dbgtboy

dbgtboy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

irl

i quit playing

its pretty annoying how i can never find groups when my guild is off because im not rank 3, how can people such as myself ever reach rank 3 if nobody lets them into a group?

seraphesy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

dbgtboy, easy solution :

What you are saying is... People who are rank 1-2 have as much skills as rank 3, rank6 people... right?

Then, why don't you just join or form a rank 1-2 group instead of trying to join rank 3 group?

snipes

snipes

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Rank doesnt mean much of anythign except maybe how much you paly tombs.

If you want i can flash you my tiger.

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

Herald of the Storm

W/R

Rank is generally indicative of someone's experience level in tombs. Sure it's not a perfect indicator of a person's skill, but it does show that they have put in a lot of hours and generally know what they're doing.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

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Originally Posted by nechronius
Rank is generally indicative of someone's experience level in tombs. Sure it's not a perfect indicator of a person's skill, but it does show that they have put in a lot of hours and generally know what they're doing.
Or it could mean you have no idea what you're doing and keep finding 7 other good people.

It could also mean (before they changed it) that a crappy group got lucky in the first match and fought someone who was with nothing but henchmen a lot of times. I think I earned about 1/4 of my fame from people doing that.

Really all it will do is build up your confidence just to be brought right down again. Wouldn't you feel embarassed if you're sporting that rank 9 emote just to get beaten by some lowly rank 0's?

Besides, you have a high rank. What do you do with it? You find other people with the same rank as you. It probably takes a while to find 8 people with the same rank, and that is a balanced party, AND no one is whinning that you're not using TS/Vent. Bragging rights or not, that would get freaking annoying after a while.

wheel

wheel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Topeka, Kansas

Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Or it could mean you have no idea what you're doing and keep finding 7 other good people.

It could also mean (before they changed it) that a crappy group got lucky in the first match and fought someone who was with nothing but henchmen a lot of times. I think I earned about 1/4 of my fame from people doing that.

Really all it will do is build up your confidence just to be brought right down again. Wouldn't you feel embarassed if you're sporting that rank 9 emote just to get beaten by some lowly rank 0's?

Besides, you have a high rank. What do you do with it? You find other people with the same rank as you. It probably takes a while to find 8 people with the same rank, and that is a balanced party, AND no one is whinning that you're not using TS/Vent. Bragging rights or not, that would get freaking annoying after a while.
few people proportionately that are on any rank 3 or above don't have TS. rank has a lot to do with recruiting and joining high ranked guilds. they don't want players who have no experience in hoh. also, few people get to rank 3+ by beating hench teams over and over.

TheGreatBoo

TheGreatBoo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

PA

Once again I'm a free agent. Quality guilds ahoy?

It's basically the same idea as player level and items. There is no way to find out experience and skill other then playing with them. Most players will never realize this however, and it's somewhat depressing. Some players won't be accepted into parties due to the simple lack of rank. A good way to get around this is to do it with your guild if you are in one. There tends to be alot more coordination and cooperation if you go with a guild group. But yes, there are always exceptions.

Minwanabi

Minwanabi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

Just lie... If you're rank 3, say you're rank 5, fame 930. They can't disprove you =P

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

i think rank doesn't mean everything in this game.

Yrish

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minwanabi
Just lie... If you're rank 3, say you're rank 5, fame 930. They can't disprove you =P
Isnt there like a /rank emote or something!? thats what ive heard

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

Herald of the Storm

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Or it could mean you have no idea what you're doing and keep finding 7 other good people.

It could also mean (before they changed it) that a crappy group got lucky in the first match and fought someone who was with nothing but henchmen a lot of times. I think I earned about 1/4 of my fame from people doing that.
Yes yes, there's always exceptions to the rule and you will always find anomalies. I'm not debating that. But lacking any evidence of relative skill beyond asking what rank someone is (and assuming they're not straight up lying about it) there isn't much else to go by. You can't exactly "audition" them to see if they are good enough for your criteria.

I mean seriously. One guy says "I'm rank 1, I'm really good," and the other says "I'm rank 4, I'm pretty good." Who do you take into your party?

Divinitys Creature

Divinitys Creature

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere between the Real World and Tyria ;P

The Gothic Embrace [Goth]

If they earned all their rank on say a ranger and today they made a monk for the first time, well then they might suck even if they are rank 3+. But getting to rank 3 shows a decent level of experience. Rank 6 and 9 are better though

kaya

kaya

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

NBK

all rank really shows is how long you played in tombs, and how lucky you got with your group. but it's true that the longer somebody plays the game, the more knowlegde he has. even if he doenst ever play a monk, after getting to rank 5 on different characters he should know how to play a monk, because 1 thing that makes people good is how well they know what their other teamates play their own characters. like you have to trust a monk to heal and use the right skill when you are taking dmg, and you have to trust a war to target and kill the one that is hindering your win the most.

about getting to rank 3 without the help of higher ranks.... it can be done cause i did it. in fact i find myself grouping still with rank 1 and 2's, and we dont do all that bad. even won HOH a few times with a pretty noob pug.
(noob as in no more than rank 2)

Dumachum

Dumachum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

na

R/E

I've won HoH and I have aproximately 27 fame on my account. Does this make me a noob because I choose to not to live in HoH like some of the self styled "important guild" players on the server? I know how to play my characters and I know how to do my part in a team. When Guild Wars was 2 weeks out of release there were elitist groups requiring you to /rank to get into their party now there are uber elitist groups requiring rank 6+ to get into their party assuming they allow "outsiders" in at all.

Dumachum

Dumachum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

na

R/E

And if that is not sickening enough I have even seen a few asswipes requiring /rank to join their groups in ToA.

Yabba

Yabba

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

what people forget is that everyone has started with rank 0

when i make a grp or join one i don´t ask for rank. i play with them and judge them by how they play.

i`ve won many fights and rounds in tombs with rank 0-2 people.

i`ve met even to many people rank 3+++ that had a really bad attitude (calling all noobs, arguing the orders of the grp leader, calling other targets then the target caller, leaving grp after they died and and and) and i prefer to group with nice people who can have fun even if they don´t win every fight.

i usually don´t join groups that are looking for rank 3/4/5+ people (even if i have the appropriate rank) and don´t invite people who say things like "rankX lf serious grp pst - no blind invites - no noobs".

i don´t think such a guy advertised himself when he started with pvp in tombs as "rank0 lf serious grp - no noobs".

perhaps he wouldn´t have reached even rank3+ if people had the same attitude that he now has - because he would have never been invited into a group as rank0 ...

this obsession with ranks and building "serious" groups really beats me - must have something to do with the "win = fun" mentality many people seem to have.

TopGun

TopGun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtboy
is rank really everything?
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Akilles

Akilles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Brothers of the Jade

Quote:
Originally Posted by snipes
Rank doesnt mean much of anythign except maybe how much you paly tombs.

If you want i can flash you my tiger.
I dunno if it is true as I have not played tombs but like 4 times, but as a FPS gamer as well, i know how important it is to want people who know the maps very well. maybe they mean that they figure a rank 3 looks as if your more experienced with the maps? for stratagy reasons? dunno, just my thought.

YellowMarker161

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Me

I typically find that groups that state you must be rank 3+ or whatever tend to be more egocentric about what they can accomplish "themselves" instead of working together as a "team." I typically find groups that accept anyone to usually be more team-oriented.

Divine Elemental

Divine Elemental

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Near Your House

I Used To Own [ IUTO ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by snipes
Rank doesnt mean much of anythign except maybe how much you paly tombs.

If you want i can flash you my tiger.
Yea,
Im Rank 1..
I Barely Goes To T3h Tombs And Win
Tho Ive Been There Twice
People Dont Like Me Cause Im Rank 1 When It Was LoL So In Tombs As Stated Higher Your Rank Better PUG Group U Get In

PS: : Snipes I Somewhat Have The Hating Feeling For Your Avatar..Is It Me Or Is It My Avatar?

Veripare

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, Ontario

*Skips all but first post*

Hey, if you play to win, I'd say that Rank would matter to you!

If you play for fun, don't worry about it! Hey, I play games for fun... And i admire you at rank 2 (or whatever) since I only have 3 FAME!

It doesn't matter what other people think. If you think you did good, you did.

Malchiel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Well someone with no rank... are very likely to be noob rambo who thinks he's an invincible army of one... =_=

Now of course there's a catch 22. If you PUG to get rank, you NEED a group with rank. Sorry, it's in my experience that ppl with no rank are often times morons.

Yes you can be rank 9 or whatever and still be a moron, but chances are slim. And with enough experience you should be aware of the current trends and prepared to bring counters as necessary.

PieXags

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

Rank doesn't mean anything other than how many good parties you've been in. And naturally, surrounding yourself in good parties makes you better as a player...TYPICALLY. Some of the best parties I've been in though have been made of people with 0 rank.

Rank basically says "we spend our hours in the tombs", it does not mean "we're awesome at the tombs and if you party with us you'll win".

TheGreatBoo

TheGreatBoo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

PA

Once again I'm a free agent. Quality guilds ahoy?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akilles
I dunno if it is true as I have not played tombs but like 4 times, but as a FPS gamer as well, i know how important it is to want people who know the maps very well. maybe they mean that they figure a rank 3 looks as if your more experienced with the maps? for stratagy reasons? dunno, just my thought.
Eh to hit home with you, I would have to use a source like half-life. It would basically be the same as calculating wins on a random server. Not kill/death ratio, but wins.

To be completely honest, I have 1 fame. Thats it. After going to the tombs only 2-3 times, I've acquired 1 fame. The time that I acquired that fame was with my old guild, when we still had to pick up a few random people to fill the roster. I generally try to avoid tombs, obviously by the total number of times I've been there, because of the lack of invites due to rank. I think I'm going to start going there and forming groups that have less than 3 fame.