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Elf

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12 Jul 2005 at 14:34 - 1

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Here is my system specs

CPU: 3200+ Venice 2.45Ghz
RAM:Mushkin Redline pc4000
GPU: ASUS x800xl with newest catlyst
Danger Den water cooling on CPU and GPU

When I start guild wars after about 30 seconds it brings up an error box saying my processor is overheating. When I check my processor it is running at 34c. So basicly it's saying it's overheating when it's not......
Now I have overclocked my system but it is stable in all stress tests that I have done. When I lower my CPU from 2.45 to 2.4 it runs fine. Except I notice that sometimes there will be no text in any of the text boxes sometimes. Like for my skills or anything like that. Anyone else having anything like this?

Calimar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Silver Limon

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12 Jul 2005 at 14:43 - 2

Nah. What kind of box is that? A windows box? I would not thrust windows and would DEFINITELY check with a good anti-virus. Also, firewall and spybot-remover are mandatory. I wouldn't EVER trust any pc that doesn't have those.
It could also be some weird thing with the MB: those errors are NMI alarm lines on the board, if somethings weird with that...it might cause error popups. Weird if it happens with GW only.

GREAT Freeware anti-virus: AVAST.
GREAT Freeware firewall: Sygate Personal Firewall.
Freeware spyware-remover: spybot S&D.

Good luck!

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Jul 2005 at 14:56 - 3

you have a water cooled system and are running 34c? that means you are running at about 93-94 degrees fahrenheit(for us americans)....that's WAY too high for a watercooled system....you should be in the teens. My aircooled box runs 28celsius under full load...check the thermal paste on the processor(when was the last time you used some)....also check the leads on the mobo/cpu sensors...they may be reading incorrectly.

Questions to answer:

What thermal compound did you use
What Voltage is the CPU Running
What FSB is the CPU Running.
When was the last time you did a BIOS Flash?

Night Daftshadow

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

In the forest

Hidden Shadows

R/Mo

12 Jul 2005 at 15:04 - 4

my cpu runs around 34C, no problems whatsoever. i use fan cooling instead of water cooling. my cpu is at 3ghz p4 northwood. may be there is some issue with your MB when overclocking it.

Elf

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/Mo

12 Jul 2005 at 17:56 - 5

Well I don't have an antivirus and never have for the past five years and have never had a virus. My ISP blocks them or something. I use WinXP. I use adaware and spybot almost bi-daily. And I actually use a hardware firewall that came with my mobo.
It is an AMD chip so it tends to run quite a bit hotter than a p4 espcially as it is 64bit. I've been told that it's not abnormal to have a Venice core run up to 51c-53c at times on air. Sitting idle my chip is at 23c. Mind you these are the core temps and not the ambient temps.
I used artic5 on my chip with a fairly thin layer. The last layer was so thin that it looked like a dry lake bed 3 days after application. All cracked and dry looking. I put it on about a week ago (the new layer). my CPU is running at 1.55v. My FSB is running at 245 x10 multiplier and I have never flashed the BIOS. It's a new system, only two weeks old.

alucard_x

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Jul 2005 at 18:57 - 6

p4's notoriously run hot, especialy prescott.. anyways it sounds more likely that your system is unstable from the overclocking, possibly the memory fsb (245).

google for prime95 and memtest. run prime95 in a loop to determine if your cpu is stable, and use memtest to determine if your memory is stable at that frequency.

to experiment.. go back to default clock settings and see if GW runs like it should.

Algren Cole

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Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Jul 2005 at 19:32 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elf

Well I don't have an antivirus and never have for the past five years and have never had a virus. My ISP blocks them or something. I use WinXP. I use adaware and spybot almost bi-daily. And I actually use a hardware firewall that came with my mobo.
It is an AMD chip so it tends to run quite a bit hotter than a p4 espcially as it is 64bit. I've been told that it's not abnormal to have a Venice core run up to 51c-53c at times on air. Sitting idle my chip is at 23c. Mind you these are the core temps and not the ambient temps.
I used artic5 on my chip with a fairly thin layer. The last layer was so thin that it looked like a dry lake bed 3 days after application. All cracked and dry looking. I put it on about a week ago (the new layer). my CPU is running at 1.55v. My FSB is running at 245 x10 multiplier and I have never flashed the BIOS. It's a new system, only two weeks old.

my 3000+ MAD64 runs about 30C on air cooling....

just because its a new computer doesn't mean the BIOS isn't old.

Elf

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W/Mo

12 Jul 2005 at 20:15 - 8

So the BIOS could be the problem then? Should I flash it? I know there are updated BIOS revisions out there for DFI ultraD's.

Algren Cole

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:45 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elf

So the BIOS could be the problem then? Should I flash it? I know there are updated BIOS revisions out there for DFI ultraD's.

well see...I don't think your processor is actually overheating...the temps you are posting just don't seem right. You don't have a heavy OC(even though you don't have an OC Mobo)...and your voltages aren't all that high. PLUS you are watercooled...I think your sensors are reporting the wrong temps. If this has been a problem with other people a BIOS flash would fix this....See if there is a newer version of the BIOS than the one you are running.

if not...try clocking everything back to normal and checking the temps under full load...then checking them while GW is running....

emirate xaaron

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sotu

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13 Jul 2005 at 12:31 - 10

i thought the amd 64 cpu's had an auto shutdown in them if they got to hot.

Master Of Disharmony

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13 Jul 2005 at 12:44 - 11

Srz. I dont know why OC then ?? I u get this message put it to normal status and paly.

Even my amd 2200+ works great with ati9200se, back 2 years with the E3demo.
Dont know whay u need to oc for this game parti. no need. Are u paying HDTV like ??

Normaly all Athlon have, depends form Board to Board. But normaly yes all have this Shutdown Feature.

Esprit

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13 Jul 2005 at 12:59 - 12

Hehe, my 3.2 Intel Prescott runs at 60C under load.

emirate xaaron

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sotu

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13 Jul 2005 at 13:21 - 13

i don't know if it's because the house is so hot but my cpu is running from mid 40's to mid 50's, although when i open the case and touch the heatsink, it's hardly warm...maybe my uguru is reporting the wrong temps.

samarium

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N/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 14:29 - 14

Quote:

the heatsink, it's hardly warm

Problem number one located.

Uguru is reporting the right temps. It doesn't care about the heatsink's temperature; it's actually reporting how hot the processor die itself is. If your heatsink isn't hot, that means it isn't pulling that heat off your processor at any speed.

If you feel comfortable in the insides of a PC, you should replace the thermal compound. You can buy a tube of high-performance Silver Oxide thermal stuff at Best Buy for maybe $10. It's worth it.

-sam

emirate xaaron

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sotu

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13 Jul 2005 at 16:06 - 15

i built this comp myself so i'll change the thermal paste, do you need special thermal paste for the graphics card? i wouldnt mind my 6800gt running a bit cooler.

AceSnyp3r

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:02 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esprit

Hehe, my 3.2 Intel Prescott runs at 60C under load.

Heh, my 2.8 hits about 57-60 during these hot summer days. (90F in here, no AC

)

Anyway, as far as I know, you CAN put thermal paste on video cards, but I know they're also designed to endure higher heat. So what might be considered hot on your CPU might just be average on your GPU.

Algren Cole

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:15 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by emirate xaaron

i built this comp myself so i'll change the thermal paste, do you need special thermal paste for the graphics card? i wouldnt mind my 6800gt running a bit cooler.

use Arctic Silver 5 for the GPU....The suspension fluid in AS5 is a proprietary mixture of advanced polysynthetic oils that actually mix together to fill in any gaps...the worst thing you want is a gap in the thermal compound you put on your GPU.

Elf

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:18 - 18

As far as temps go are you supposed to put a thin layer of paste on your CPU or a thick one? I put as thin a layer as I can get whithout the chip showing through, hat's what a freind told me. So now I am burning in my water cooled comp and the temp is at 31c 32c maybe. Is this still to hot and should I flash the BIOS? Also my water tubes are also always cold. I have artic silver 5 on my CPU. I think it transfers heat ok because one time I unplugged my water cooling and the system shut off and I couldnt figure why it was running at 51c but then I realized that i couldnt hear the bubbly noise from my resivior so then I plugged it back in. But anyway the water tubes were warm then but that was the only time.

WoW. I write like a 5th grader when I'm tired haha.

AceSnyp3r

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:24 - 19

Yeah, you want it pretty thin, and mainly just over the die. Just read the directions on the AS website.

Algren Cole

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:26 - 20

it doesn't really matter how much you put on the chip...as long as you can't see a visible space between the processor and the heatsink(i.e. the thermal compound isn't lifting the heatsink off the processor), you're good to go.

Zorrander

Ascalonian Squire

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13 Jul 2005 at 19:59 - 21

Check in your bios settings and make sure you don't have your CPU temp threshold set too low. If I remember, there are some unrealistic low settings for warning and shut down temps. If this is not the problem, then you may want to update the BIOS. If that doesn't help then maybe you should back off on your CPU speed and see if it helps.

beckermanex

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Join Date: May 2005

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W/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 20:26 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceSnyp3r

Heh, my 2.8 hits about 57-60 during these hot summer days. (90F in here, no AC

)

Anyway, as far as I know, you CAN put thermal paste on video cards, but I know they're also designed to endure higher heat. So what might be considered hot on your CPU might just be average on your GPU.

My AMD64 Newcastle 3400+ runs high 30's idle and mid-40's full load air cooled in the blistering heat of Arizona (for which it was 116F yesterday).

Luckily we have A/C

Tactical-Dillusions

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13 Jul 2005 at 20:37 - 23

Hmmm, not sure if i'm the right person to give advice.

My old cpu used to overheat. I opened the case and left a desktop fan on it, lol.

Might be an idea but then again maybe not.

Plenty of good advice posted previously ^^^^ Try that, lol.

emirate xaaron

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sotu

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13 Jul 2005 at 20:47 - 24

i've put fresh thermal paste on and enabled cool 'n' quiet and the computer has been on for a few hours and hasn't gone over 41.

Zorrander

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13 Jul 2005 at 21:18 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by emirate xaaron

i've put fresh thermal paste on and enabled cool 'n' quiet and the computer has been on for a few hours and hasn't gone over 41.

Turn off Cool N Quiet, it causes problems with overclocking.

AceSnyp3r

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13 Jul 2005 at 21:23 - 26

Another thing about cooling, you want to have your fans all running in the best intake/outtake configuration. You don't want to have all outtake fans, because then you won't be getting much cool air sucked into the case.

Elf

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:10 - 27

Well I have two intake 120mm (damn things are LOUD) in front of my case sucking in air and blowing it through my radiator. Then I have an out take 120mm mounted on the back and an 80mm out take fan on the top. I think I may need some more of that coolant stuff. I had to drain my system twice (leaks) and I put the same water+coolant back into the system. I also still have a leak somewhere near the front of my case. There will be like a drop on the floor of the case every few days. I can not seem to find the source of that leak.

EverBlue

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Arcane Draconum

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15 Jul 2005 at 07:21 - 28

I have a housefan pointed at my computer. ATi video card's fan crapped out. CPU hits a peak of 45 C and I have to shut GW off for awhile. Of course I also shut it down when the card hits 70 C.

Summer is a killer.

Sprites

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royaume de la lumi??re :D

LOGW

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17 Jul 2005 at 15:01 - 29

41?
mine used to be at 51c (124) and card 35(95)

and that's way better than prevoius one