Where does it end Arenanet? A patch needs to be made to control the economy, this is borderline ridiculous now. It is bad enough that I need 105/105 of globs/ecto but to make the price so outrageously high so that I cannot attain that goal is just silly. I did not buy this game to farm/grind, I bought it to have fun and meet people. Do you realize that at current prices, a new person would literally have to come up with about 2 million gold just for globs and another 200k for ecto, not to mention the 15k per piece and iron and so forth!?
I know others need more globs/ecto for their armor and for them it's even worse. I hate, truly hate, turning GW on knowing that I will spend the next hour farming or being forced to deal with the incessant noise in districts 1 and 2 to sell things. Don't ruin a good game like this. 5k was high, but it was attainable eventually. Even 7k is attainable. But to have prices at this point is just insanity. STOP THE INSANITY!
Yes I know it fluxuates, but seriously!
Glob Insanity
MissTrixie
kleps
wow, i saw it at 11 plat last night and thought that was high.
Bugeater
The economy is a very hard thing to judge and control. A month and a half ago there were numerous posts on player to player trades going for too much money. Superior runes of vigor were regularly catching over 100K. That was a bad situation because eventually gold wasn't worth anything. So they made a really cool gold sink.
Maybe they made it a little too steep, because now everyone is scraping for that last Pile of Glittering Dust in order to make the next plat for Fissure Armor. I say give it some time, the economy will balance out (maybe with a little push from ANet
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Maybe they made it a little too steep, because now everyone is scraping for that last Pile of Glittering Dust in order to make the next plat for Fissure Armor. I say give it some time, the economy will balance out (maybe with a little push from ANet
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The Warbringer
The 15k armor is (in my opinion) supposed to be insanely hard to get. After that, what is there to buy? It doesn't make a difference except for visually anyways, just settle for the 1.5k armor
Fye Duron
The fissure armor is getting sickly priced and is only for the true elite now
Vanquisher
How do you figure PvE Armour for the true elite?
Acan Vishnu
I know its been said alot, but in this case especially ArenaNet didn't cause this. People don't need Fissure Armor -- Its an optional feature. The prices wouldn't be getting that high if people weren't buying them for ridiculous amounts of money.
The drop rate could stand a little tweaking, but I'd expect that to come later. Right now everyone who wants to do high-end PvE just run FoW/UW, so if they up the droprate by any appreciable amount then the market will probably be flooded very quickly which will in turn make the FoW armor commonplace, which in my opinion is exactly what it should not be.
The drop rate could stand a little tweaking, but I'd expect that to come later. Right now everyone who wants to do high-end PvE just run FoW/UW, so if they up the droprate by any appreciable amount then the market will probably be flooded very quickly which will in turn make the FoW armor commonplace, which in my opinion is exactly what it should not be.
Andy of Glacieria
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The economy is a very hard thing to judge and control. A month and a half ago there were numerous posts on player to player trades going for too much money. Superior runes of vigor were regularly catching over 100K. That was a bad situation because eventually gold wasn't worth anything. So they made a really cool gold sink. Maybe they made it a little too steep, because now everyone is scraping for that last Pile of Glittering Dust in order to make the next plat for Fissure Armor. I say give it some time, the economy will balance out (maybe with a little push from ANet ) |
EDIT: Common? No, the price shouldn't be tweaked TOO much now, all I suggest is that the FoW armor is accessible. Well, there is another option, maybe Anet should unnerf profit spots, destroy the pesky rune trader and/or make money easier to get.
Edge Martinez
I hope you all get the fissure armor, so I can be old school with my Droknars gear or maybe some Grotto or Citadel threads. But as for the OP? Yeah, 17k is ridiculous... but I am SO going to UW and FoW tonight!
Borealis
It's up and above 18k per glob right now....c'mon anet....this is pure bs.
Sleazy_D
No, it's not BS.... it's a bunch of people deciding they want it, and people being willing to pay for it. Blame people willing to farm for bling, and people willing to invest time for bling. You don't need it. It's pretty. It's a status symbol. It's bragging rights. Telling me that the economy is messed up because you have a hard time buying jewlery is... well I don't buy it.
I can still buy ID kits, and salvage kits for reasonable money, and rune prices have stabalized somewhat. The stuff I need required little effort. If I want pretty toys, and bad-ass staffs, I need to get some materials, and it's mine for an hour's worth of work. If I want the most expensive clothes in the game, then it turns out I need to really work at it. The dev probably intended this as a reward for lots of questing in the UW/FoW.
Anyway, if people decided that the pretty armor is dumb, then prices will drop. If people want to keep pumping cash into their leet Fissure armor, then get ready to throw some time or $$$ into it.
I can still buy ID kits, and salvage kits for reasonable money, and rune prices have stabalized somewhat. The stuff I need required little effort. If I want pretty toys, and bad-ass staffs, I need to get some materials, and it's mine for an hour's worth of work. If I want the most expensive clothes in the game, then it turns out I need to really work at it. The dev probably intended this as a reward for lots of questing in the UW/FoW.
Anyway, if people decided that the pretty armor is dumb, then prices will drop. If people want to keep pumping cash into their leet Fissure armor, then get ready to throw some time or $$$ into it.
Ishamael Sedai
Here's the thing. You do not have to have that armor. Arena made an extremely balanced game where 1.5k armor = 1 or 2 million armor. Now they can lower the price of the ecto but in a sense that decreases the uniqueness of the armor and that is what you are getting it for correct? The more they lower the price of the armor (by lowering the cost of ectos) the more people own the armor and the less unique or special it is. I'm not really saying one way or the other whether they should lower the price of the armor. I am still waiting for a 15k armor that looks more similar to gladiators before I spend that much money on a set.
Borealis
105 globs * 20,000 = 2.1 million gold
105 obsidian * 4,300 = 451,500
75,000 just for the armor itself
I'm not caluculating anything else right now.
2.675 million without any other crafting materials
For a full set of armor....yes that is bs. Nobody can afford that by doing what anet says "just playing the game normally".
RAISE YOUR HAND IN THIS THREAD IF YOU CAN AFFORD THAT!!! Without massive farming/griding/ebaying it's impossible to come across that money,. They need to let more ectos drop in uw, it doesn't drop half as much as it did a few weeks ago.
105 obsidian * 4,300 = 451,500
75,000 just for the armor itself
I'm not caluculating anything else right now.
2.675 million without any other crafting materials
For a full set of armor....yes that is bs. Nobody can afford that by doing what anet says "just playing the game normally".
RAISE YOUR HAND IN THIS THREAD IF YOU CAN AFFORD THAT!!! Without massive farming/griding/ebaying it's impossible to come across that money,. They need to let more ectos drop in uw, it doesn't drop half as much as it did a few weeks ago.
Isis Snowflame
Hey Ishamael Sedai
Excellent post in response. I agree 100% as long as its strictly a "for looks" and not tactical or involving game machanics Im all for the uniqueness and costly "special" armors.
Isis
Excellent post in response. I agree 100% as long as its strictly a "for looks" and not tactical or involving game machanics Im all for the uniqueness and costly "special" armors.
Isis
Isis Snowflame
Nothing in life is free. You want an Austin Martin or Lamborghini youre gonna pay for it my friend.
Borealis
Ugh, whatever....I give up.
samarium
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Fye Duron
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Isis Snowflame
Things should be priced high ... extremely high but reading back I agree with the person who said that they should have a balance so they can still be attainable.
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that nails it right there. complaining because you cant buy the shiney sparkly thing, that was INTENDED TO BE A HUGE GOLD SINK, and then claiming that is screwing up the economy, is pretty dense. you dont seem to understand the point of fissure armor. it was intended to remove massive amounts of gold from the botters that were srecwing up the economy for everyone else. it was not designed or intended to be accesible for the average player. it is a shiney little status symbol that says "I Use a Bot", and nothing more. get over it.
Thomasuwoo
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) It's nice being able to stand out in PvP like that. When PvP get's a little boring I'll go and start doing mroe UW and Fissure runs too. The massive journey to obtain that armour is like the pot of gold at the end of a VERY VERY long rainbow.
Torkemada
I agree with most of the replies here.
Obsidian armor is not to be "Affordable" is there to be what it is. The Actual Fashion. The ectos and shards are like everyother crafting material, based on offer and demand. There is no unbalance in that system, the unbalance appears where there is a massive offer or a massive demand.
Things that are fashion, things that ppl like most, tend to cost u more. Like every "fahion" in life, it will pass.
My recomendation for u. Farm Uw and FoW, and cash ur ectos and shards, take advantage that the item is in high demand. Save up ur money, and be patient.
Price will go down, when a new fashion appears. Sorrows Furnace is comming soon, and after that the second chapter. In any of those new armors, or weapons may appear, and ppl will go as usually do, running to be the firsts to have em. Prices on Globs and Shards will go down, and while everyone fighting to get the "new" fashion, u pay a suitable price for "last years fashion".
The hole point of Obsidian armor is to have it if u like how it looks, as stated, stats are the same that 1,5k armor.
Brother Torkemada.
Obsidian armor is not to be "Affordable" is there to be what it is. The Actual Fashion. The ectos and shards are like everyother crafting material, based on offer and demand. There is no unbalance in that system, the unbalance appears where there is a massive offer or a massive demand.
Things that are fashion, things that ppl like most, tend to cost u more. Like every "fahion" in life, it will pass.
My recomendation for u. Farm Uw and FoW, and cash ur ectos and shards, take advantage that the item is in high demand. Save up ur money, and be patient.
Price will go down, when a new fashion appears. Sorrows Furnace is comming soon, and after that the second chapter. In any of those new armors, or weapons may appear, and ppl will go as usually do, running to be the firsts to have em. Prices on Globs and Shards will go down, and while everyone fighting to get the "new" fashion, u pay a suitable price for "last years fashion".
The hole point of Obsidian armor is to have it if u like how it looks, as stated, stats are the same that 1,5k armor.
Brother Torkemada.
Yamat
I can't add anything that hasn't already been said, but I do want to add my "me too" to this... you don't need it, it adds nothing, it's just jewelry as one poster excellently put it.
Nothing needs to change. Rare materials cost a lot. If they're scarce, the price goes up. Looks like the economy is working as intended...
Nothing needs to change. Rare materials cost a lot. If they're scarce, the price goes up. Looks like the economy is working as intended...
XENOGEARSHARINGAN
me personaly i wont get that armor now at least. ive seen all the armors up close and none of them look that baddass. except for the necro armor those look tight. but the warrior one is wack except for the girl. the ranger armor looks so wack , elemnt only get spikes on the shoulders, mesmer you cant tell, and monks are plain. i dont like them personaly i hope they upgrade them.
XeNoGeArZ
i wonder how much globs are valued at the traders in europe. since they seem to have favor the less, its probably 100k XD
velvetbunny
Main reason Ectoplasm is so high? Almost noone does UW at the rate that they do Fissure of Woe. I can get on my Monk and get an invite to a FoW party in minutes, sometimes seconds, without even asking. But when i advertise for an UW party i can spend an hour waiting for an invite while i constantly deny the barrage of Fissure party invites. Less people farming UW equals less Ectoplasm in the economy but the demand is still as high as before. Notice Obsidian has stabilized at about 3-4k.
Ishamael Sedai
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105 globs * 20,000 = 2.1 million gold
105 obsidian * 4,300 = 451,500 75,000 just for the armor itself I'm not caluculating anything else right now. 2.675 million without any other crafting materials For a full set of armor....yes that is bs. Nobody can afford that by doing what anet says "just playing the game normally". RAISE YOUR HAND IN THIS THREAD IF YOU CAN AFFORD THAT!!! Without massive farming/griding/ebaying it's impossible to come across that money,. They need to let more ectos drop in uw, it doesn't drop half as much as it did a few weeks ago. |
If our standard is that an amount is impractical without massive farming 500k or and even 300k is unrealistic. My point is simply that if the armor's value is based on its uniqueness (which it is obviously since this armor does nothing extra than 1.5k armor), and if the best armor in the game is worth 100k, then there is no unique armor in the game. In this world there is nothing for a hardcore gamer to shoot for. Anet has made the best of both worlds. You can have max armor with just playing the game normally, and it has given more hardcore players something to strive for also. If all armor can be gotten without having to heavily farm and grind then that armor is worth virtually nothing. Honestly would 15% over 50% fellblades be worth that much if everyone had one? Would people gain some sort of pride in owning what everyone else has? Making a game balanced statistically is good. Making it where some players have no reason to play is not.
Ishamael Sedai
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that nails it right there. complaining because you cant buy the shiney sparkly thing, that was INTENDED TO BE A HUGE GOLD SINK, and then claiming that is screwing up the economy, is pretty dense. you dont seem to understand the point of fissure armor. it was intended to remove massive amounts of gold from the botters that were srecwing up the economy for everyone else. it was not designed or intended to be accesible for the average player. it is a shiney little status symbol that says "I Use a Bot", and nothing more. get over it.
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onizuka
what AN is doing right now is worse than grinding....
MissTrixie
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that nails it right there. complaining because you cant buy the shiney sparkly thing, that was INTENDED TO BE A HUGE GOLD SINK, and then claiming that is screwing up the economy, is pretty dense. you dont seem to understand the point of fissure armor. it was intended to remove massive amounts of gold from the botters that were srecwing up the economy for everyone else. it was not designed or intended to be accesible for the average player. it is a shiney little status symbol that says "I Use a Bot", and nothing more. get over it.
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Sincerely, this post was meant to say "Hey, I don't like the idea of something being extremely unattainable and only becomming more and more unattainable. It was meant to say that 5k, fine, 7k, well ok, 9k, sigh I guess so, but 18k give me a break! Even the most hard core of farmers have a hard time achieving that in a reasonable amount of time. And I disagree 100% with your ignorance regarding fissure armor. It's not a "botters only" armor nor is it something showing that I'm a 15 hour a day junkie. It's to show something earned. But to have it hung in front of me like a carrot and he driver only adds more string to the pole is, in my opinion, just something to keep me around until an expansion comes out.
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The Warbringer
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Dude, you aren't at any disadvantage by not grinding for that armor except the "disadvantage" (which it really isn't) of not looking as cool as other people. Seriously, it isn't as bad as grinding at all.. it is like.. optional grinding.. XD
(I know all grinding is optional, but you can still compete in this game if you don't grind and alot of the things in this game that are expensive are just for looks)
Mr. Niceguy
That was just earlier this morning. There's really a simple fix to this. All ANet has to do is increase the drop rate like they did with Shards and the price will go down.
Tooraloom
the cost is supposed to be insane. duh? I'm on my 3rd shard, it'll eventually happen.
You want the armor to mean something, don't you? You all clearly had a liberal education. =P
You want the armor to mean something, don't you? You all clearly had a liberal education. =P
Edge Martinez
Just a note to all the folks complaining... I bought a complete set of wander's armor for my monk, as well as pieces of censor's armor and tattoo armor. It was all bought at Droknar's Forge. For less than 2 ectoplasm I have the best rated armor in the game and I can mix and match for better defense against a multitude of situations.
How is the game unfair or unbalanced?
How is the game unfair or unbalanced?
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Where does it end Arenanet? A patch needs to be made to control the economy, this is borderline ridiculous now. It is bad enough that I need 105/105 of globs/ecto but to make the price so outrageously high so that I cannot attain that goal is just silly. I did not buy this game to farm/grind, I bought it to have fun and meet people. Do you realize that at current prices, a new person would literally have to come up with about 2 million gold just for globs and another 200k for ecto, not to mention the 15k per piece and iron and so forth!?
I know others need more globs/ecto for their armor and for them it's even worse. I hate, truly hate, turning GW on knowing that I will spend the next hour farming or being forced to deal with the incessant noise in districts 1 and 2 to sell things. Don't ruin a good game like this. 5k was high, but it was attainable eventually. Even 7k is attainable. But to have prices at this point is just insanity. STOP THE INSANITY! Yes I know it fluxuates, but seriously! |
Andy of Glacieria
Hummm I noticed hardcore gaming was mentioned quite a lot... I think it's fair for a gamer that LIKES THE GAME A LOT (plays it accordingly long) to let him be able to afford the FoW armor, not only the ones who ARE IN THE GAME ALOT (play it for 10-14 hrs a day).
What I'm trying to say that 4-5 hrs daily is more than enough and should get you more stuff, more cash and should make it easier to attain FoW armor. There isn't many hardcore players around, but there shouldn't be too many 4-5 h players anyway. Most players I seen are regular 1-2 hour a day players who have their share of their fun doing that. I think 4-5 hours is OK (not by far good or healthy, but still), 10-14, that's just sick. Why should I ruin my life 'cause I want FoW armor?
What I'm trying to say that 4-5 hrs daily is more than enough and should get you more stuff, more cash and should make it easier to attain FoW armor. There isn't many hardcore players around, but there shouldn't be too many 4-5 h players anyway. Most players I seen are regular 1-2 hour a day players who have their share of their fun doing that. I think 4-5 hours is OK (not by far good or healthy, but still), 10-14, that's just sick. Why should I ruin my life 'cause I want FoW armor?
Nightwish
Actually this armor issue doesnt bother me at all. The only thing the uber expensive armor has to offer is looks (supposedly, and rarity as well). But with the 1.5k armor, i can compete (technically) just as effectively. So thats quite fair in that aspect. If the armor has better stats as well, I would quit this game as I will never want to spend so much time nor effort just to compete on fair grounds (some games do give super rare equips with significantly better stats in such a way that the players wearing them will have considerable advantage over less well equipped players, which makes usage of skills less of a victory factor.)
What happens to players with more time or gold to spare? They get rare and better looking stuff without having any technical advantage over less well off players. That seems pretty balance for both worlds of players
What happens to players with more time or gold to spare? They get rare and better looking stuff without having any technical advantage over less well off players. That seems pretty balance for both worlds of players
Torkemada
I have posted my opinion earlier in this post, but i've kept reading and thinking about this, and this is how i will sumarize the Obsidian Armor problem.
"Obsidian armor is neither expensive or cheap by nature, its worth 15k like granite and grotto's armor, and it requires certain crafting materials, like any other armor. Ppl rushing into having this armor raises the crafting item values. But the armor is not expensive as a game rule, is expensive because lot of ppl want it."
Is the same with the black dye. And its the same with other items in game. they are overpriced by player's will and not by developers coding.
If suddenly the armor in fashion needed 4000 bones, we'll soon be hearing complains on how high is the price of the bone armor, cos bones are up to 4 or 5k a pack of 10.
Even when bones drop more often, and can be salvaged from losts of stuff... if the hole game comunity needs 4000 bones, believe me it wont be enough.
"Obsidian armor is neither expensive or cheap by nature, its worth 15k like granite and grotto's armor, and it requires certain crafting materials, like any other armor. Ppl rushing into having this armor raises the crafting item values. But the armor is not expensive as a game rule, is expensive because lot of ppl want it."
Is the same with the black dye. And its the same with other items in game. they are overpriced by player's will and not by developers coding.
If suddenly the armor in fashion needed 4000 bones, we'll soon be hearing complains on how high is the price of the bone armor, cos bones are up to 4 or 5k a pack of 10.
Even when bones drop more often, and can be salvaged from losts of stuff... if the hole game comunity needs 4000 bones, believe me it wont be enough.
NFiNiTE
I think you all who are complaining about the prices of ectoplasm are stressing too much on the trader prices. Imagine this: instead of buying the materials, find it! What a concept... (oh and if you don't want to read all this, skip to the last paragraph)
If I'm with a good party, the times I've been through FoW or UW, everyone in the party gets at least 1 shard/ecto... so what's that... 125g for an ecto/shard? So hey, it'll take a while to find 105 shard and 105 ecto...
But really, do you want (a) spend time monotonously farming until you have enough money to pay for the ridiculously priced crafting material? or (b) have fun collecting the items and working your way through FoW and UW... (who knows, maybe there's a hidden crafter or collector in the zones... you'd never know if you farm for money)
And then it all boils back down to the: "You don't have to get this armor." If you do want it, then you have to work for it... but oh no! "I have to spend *time* to get it!"
And look, if Fissure armor were easy to get... then there's nothing that makes it unique anymore... it becomes commonplace and undesired.
Imho, it's just like life... there may be that extremely nice luxury car you want to get, but it's above your budget... so what do you do if you really want the car? Save for it. Will it take a long time, for most people: yes. What does that long length of time serve to do? It makes the feeling that once you finally are able to get the car oh-so-much better. Accomplishment. I know I will feel extremely pleased once I have enough to get that fissure armor (money and materials set.... 100shard/100ecto to go
). It's a feeling that you accomplished something great -- and worked hard for it.
Sorry for the long rant... Bottom line: Fissure armor is possible without having to buy from the material traders, so stop looking at those prices!
If I'm with a good party, the times I've been through FoW or UW, everyone in the party gets at least 1 shard/ecto... so what's that... 125g for an ecto/shard? So hey, it'll take a while to find 105 shard and 105 ecto...
But really, do you want (a) spend time monotonously farming until you have enough money to pay for the ridiculously priced crafting material? or (b) have fun collecting the items and working your way through FoW and UW... (who knows, maybe there's a hidden crafter or collector in the zones... you'd never know if you farm for money)
And then it all boils back down to the: "You don't have to get this armor." If you do want it, then you have to work for it... but oh no! "I have to spend *time* to get it!"
And look, if Fissure armor were easy to get... then there's nothing that makes it unique anymore... it becomes commonplace and undesired.
Imho, it's just like life... there may be that extremely nice luxury car you want to get, but it's above your budget... so what do you do if you really want the car? Save for it. Will it take a long time, for most people: yes. What does that long length of time serve to do? It makes the feeling that once you finally are able to get the car oh-so-much better. Accomplishment. I know I will feel extremely pleased once I have enough to get that fissure armor (money and materials set.... 100shard/100ecto to go
). It's a feeling that you accomplished something great -- and worked hard for it.Sorry for the long rant... Bottom line: Fissure armor is possible without having to buy from the material traders, so stop looking at those prices!