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alexmeier175

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Draknor's Forge

Call Of Chtuluh

13 Jul 2005 at 02:13 - 1

Well we all have heard the stories about how much teh henchmen suck...well here's a different story for a change...
I was doing an infusion run with henchmen last night, but instead of running we were actually fighting because it is fun to do...
At teh entrance of the seers cave, I was abit prideful and aggroed way to many azure shadows like the w/mo noob i am lol..we all died except Durham and Reyna (mesmer and ranger hench).
Amazingly those two managed to kill off the remaining shadows, rezed Alesia who then rezzed me...
I will never again speak bad of the henchies!!!!!! I have yet to see a group of humans behave hat way..
Instead I often see this:
XXX: oh no the monk died...we cant win the now....
player XXX has left the game
YYY: oh XXX has left darn we will never finish now
player YYY has left the game

Alderman Sweet

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/E

13 Jul 2005 at 02:23 - 2

I would like to apologize to Alesia for leaving her to die as she rushed into a pack of sand giants and tried to spritz them with her wand. She was very brave.

smokeythebear132

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

DotW

W/N

13 Jul 2005 at 02:40 - 3

they always attack Alesia first! its annoying, cuz she's usually the first to die, and since i dont usually have rez, i have to rely on another henchie to bring her back. thats a pretty good story alexmeier, usually after I die, if im with henchies, they all die as well. :\

cup-o-noodles

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/R

13 Jul 2005 at 02:46 - 4

One Think I've noticed about the henchies lately is that none of them(besides Alesia) will rez anyone. One time we all died except for thom and stefan, and we sat there for ever. Then eventually a group of mobs walked into their aggro and killed them off. Then another time only Alesia died and they wouldn't rez her, and I can't becuase I never carry the rez signet on me. They are starting to piss me off.

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

13 Jul 2005 at 02:53 - 5

What alesia is supposed to heal you? I've always brought her for her amazing tanking abilities.

Malchiel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jul 2005 at 02:56 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by cup-o-noodles

One Think I've noticed about the henchies lately is that none of them(besides Alesia) will rez anyone. One time we all died except for thom and stefan, and we sat there for ever. Then eventually a group of mobs walked into their aggro and killed them off. Then another time only Alesia died and they wouldn't rez her, and I can't becuase I never carry the rez signet on me. They are starting to piss me off.

psshhttt... they don't carry rez signets either. ;p

The Warbringer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jul 2005 at 03:04 - 7

<snip!>

Yeah, normally Allesia is the first to die but she is good for gathering everyone into a small area and giving me time to aoe them!

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:04 - 8

<snip!>

I've got armor thanks.

Hah, what are you getting so riled up about? Making fun of the henchies is the main humor factor in the game. What other topic can you and your guild mates laugh at consistently?

Making fun of the henchies is like something everyone just HAS to do. Its part of the game imo.

TheCrusader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kent,Washington

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:05 - 9

Well they could make fun of you because the henchies are better then you are.. so ?

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:08 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCrusader

Well they could make fun of you because the henchies are better then you are.. so ?

Its not that the henchies are better than me that is what is funny. Its the AI that they are implemented with. Like Alesia liking to tank and aggro things. Orion casting his celebratory fire storm. Claude sacrificing life when he has like 10. You get the point. Or do you?

Mr Jazzy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mending For The [win]

W/A

13 Jul 2005 at 03:09 - 11

only henchies that carry res sigs are the original 4...
(stefan, reyna, orion, and alesia)

TheCrusader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kent,Washington

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:10 - 12

No, I dont.. its not that funny! Its like a real player do u laugh when they die..

Uldrath

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Twin Cities, MN

The Harbs [TH]

E/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 03:11 - 13

I always bring Alesia because she is hot.

Amnisac

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Marhan's Grotto

Running Makes It Worse [Run]

R/E

13 Jul 2005 at 03:16 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uldrath

I always bring Alesia because she is hot.

This disturbs me.

Anyway, I'd like to thank all the final mission henchies (Mhenlo, Devona, etc..) because they took out Lich for me while my torched body lay in the lava.

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:16 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCrusader

No, I dont.. its not that funny! Its like a real player do u laugh when they die..

Somtimes.

Yeah, your right, its not that funny, but its also situational. Like how you try to do quests/missions/explore with henchies, and you are talking to your guild mates on vent about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uldrath

I always bring Alesia because she is hot.

Thank you. You see? Like almost every other post makes fun of the henchies in some way or the other.

TheCrusader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kent,Washington

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/

13 Jul 2005 at 03:17 - 16

Alesia, is bald... how is she hot.. you are sick man.

BALD AND TATOOS!

Yen-lo-wang

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Team Play First

13 Jul 2005 at 03:18 - 17

<snip!>

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCrusader

No, I dont.. its not that funny! Its like a real player do u laugh when they die..

Actually, I don't laugh, I res them and if anything else, try to give them pointers to avoid doing the same thing.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

13 Jul 2005 at 03:19 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives

...Orion casting his celebratory fire storm...

quoted for truth

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

13 Jul 2005 at 03:59 - 19

I love that: Alesia spritzed them with her wand...LOL! That might just make me laugh for the next few days or so.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

13 Jul 2005 at 04:31 - 20

Alesia would have been better as a smiting W/Mo.

But I've seen players go out of their way to draw agro worse.

The only thing I don't like about it is that A. Mobs target her first and B. They rarely/never go back to cover their own healers/mages. Let's just get rid of all the other classes and make it Warriors and Rangers only, the others kind of cancel out anyways.

Lord Malikai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Colorado

Imperial Fist Guild Leader

W/E

13 Jul 2005 at 04:45 - 21

Ok guys. If you ever noticed, Alesia's problem is not dumb AI. It's dumb skill selection. They gave her healing touch. Think about it.

Viscountess Hope

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brotherhood of the Lazy Tiger

N/R

13 Jul 2005 at 04:48 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCrusader

No, I dont.. its not that funny! Its like a real player do u laugh when they die..

Actually, yeah, I have been known to laugh, but then again it's usually one of my friends doing something stupid to get themselves killed.

<snip! for personal attack>

Alderman Sweet

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/E

13 Jul 2005 at 04:54 - 23

The enemy AI isn't too bad, really. They follow a pretty standard RPG attack protocol: get the squishies first. Enemy warriors usually run right past me and go right for the hench casters and healers. They do tend to be stupid about protecting their own group members. but I think that's because they correctly assume that their healers and casters are where they're supposed to be -- at a distance from my melee attacks. Their squishies simply refuse to do idiotic things like hit warriors over the head with their purses. It would be nice if this were true about a certain hench I could name. I won't name name this hench because that would be ungentlemanly.

Divine Elemental

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Near Your House

I Used To Own [ IUTO ]

13 Jul 2005 at 04:59 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uldrath

I always bring Alesia because she is hot.

Thats Wrong....
No ONE I Mean NONE Have Said My Monks Is S3x4y

And Sounds Very Wrong
And Troll Pls Do More Makes Me Laugh So hard

Viscountess Hope

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brotherhood of the Lazy Tiger

N/R

13 Jul 2005 at 05:00 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderman Sweet

... Their squishies simply refuse to do idiotic things like hit warriors over the head with their purses. It would be nice if this were true about a certain hench I could name. I won't name name this hench because that would be ungentlemanly.

If I see a henchie do that, I think I may die of laughter. Though now I have visions of henchies in drag.

Little Thom in a dress... *shudder*

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

13 Jul 2005 at 05:57 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viscountess Hope

If I see a henchie do that, I think I may die of laughter. Though now I have visions of henchies in drag.

Little Thom in a dress... *shudder*

Now THATS hawt.

Ashley Twig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

germany

Guild Of Openhearted Deeds

R/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 06:02 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchiel

psshhttt... they don't carry rez signets either. ;p

Maybe it depends on the quest/mission you're on.

On several occasions have I to thank Reyna and Little T. for rezing me.

Ashley Twig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

germany

Guild Of Openhearted Deeds

R/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 06:09 - 28

Though I do have to admit, that, depending on the situation, I usually rez Alesia last, when I'm questing with my E/MO char, for she usually runs for the next dead body regardless wether she'll argoss enemies or not.

Though sometimes it helps to draw back very, very far, to dissuade her from doing so.

Aria

Sig Fairy

Join Date: Feb 2005

Once upon a time..

13 Jul 2005 at 06:18 - 29

Hello all

Another reminder -- please keep all personal attacks off these forums. And by all, I mean ALL. Just because one person resorts to insults does not mean that you should return the favor times two. There is always the option to report a post.

Happy playing!

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jul 2005 at 07:47 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderman Sweet

The enemy AI isn't too bad, really. They follow a pretty standard RPG attack protocol: get the squishies first. Enemy warriors usually run right past me and go right for the hench casters and healers. They do tend to be stupid about protecting their own group members. but I think that's because they correctly assume that their healers and casters are where they're supposed to be -- at a distance from my melee attacks. Their squishies simply refuse to do idiotic things like hit warriors over the head with their purses. It would be nice if this were true about a certain hench I could name. I won't name name this hench because that would be ungentlemanly.

The problem that I have with the enemies AI is that it is all the same for all enemies. An elemental or a devourer shouldn´t know who the monk is! Only intelligent enough enemies should attack the monks first!

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 Jul 2005 at 08:02 - 31

Dunno, im just tired of things like azura shadows and ice imps being smarter than the hencies. They will move out of area of effect spells and switch target to the weakest hp member and not get stuck on each other moving to a target or randomly stop attacking and just hang out by wherever the player is. As much of a god stephan can be at times, it is quite disheartening when he decides to drop what he is doing and come chat with me and the rest of the casters regarding battle tactics while all the melee mobs rush us unhindered.

Its usually about then when alesia decides to start spritzing the monsters with her wand (awesome description btw), while orion uses firestorm once but lands where the melee monsters used to be, and the cultist hencmen runs around sacrificing all of his life to give all the melee members 3 extra pips of energy regeneration, since they are always "low on energy". There are also times when i see alesia chasing around the cultist henchmen trying to use healing touch while the cultist is busy running around busy sacrificing all of his life.

Shamblemonkee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

UK, Bristol

Gwen's Red Capes [Gwen]

Mo/R

13 Jul 2005 at 08:50 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phades

There are also times when i see alesia chasing around the cultist henchmen trying to use healing touch while the cultist is busy running around busy sacrificing all of his life.

This one makes me go "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo *stab*"

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

--

R/N

13 Jul 2005 at 09:59 - 33

They allways do nothing when there are at least 5 enemies charging them, if I not attack they just stay and watch untill the moment the healer get 3 x power attacks and it is already too late. The other time when they charge mindlessly is then I try to PULL and LURE and EVEN do not target the enemy. Jerkstepping is useless in most of the times then. Also the henchmen got the SPECIAL ability to run to the members that need them less.

btw when you take in mind their behavior, make a tactic and take skills to "complete" them - you can do wonders. For example we did the Thunderkeep mission only with one monk - Mhenlo, the only other healers were my healing spring and one of the warrors signet (only for himself). ( I hate that pesky berserking dwarf)

rotor

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/Me

13 Jul 2005 at 10:39 - 34

I just love how when you get poison Alesia heals you insted of casting Healing breeze or some remove condition spell. Remove Hex would also be lacking.

My favorite part is when you die and Alesia rez you, then take 1 hit and boom death again. Couldn't she rez you and heal you, instead of rez you and heal other of the henchies that has more HP than you?

Another thing sometimes you run by a group of mobs that are fighting each other. You decide to run pass them, but the henchies decide "Let's Attack"

. Or sometimes you decide to run pass a group, the henchies decide to stay and fight

I like how the warrior likes to agro too. You decide to pull by using a long range bow, and then walk back to separate the groups. There goes the warrior/s charging in

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

13 Jul 2005 at 10:56 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

Maybe it depends on the quest/mission you're on.

No, the warriors *always* carry res signets, and I'm pretty sure at least the ranger does too. Thing is, they use them immediately when someone dies. Unless you're paying close attention you wont notice one of them actually goes down - all you will see is Alesia low on health then boom full health.
They also only have one res signet per person, so the entire party can easily be out of signets after just one fight when Alesia decides that Healing Touch is teh uber healing spell (and then stays in the middle of the fray).

Danny_Rowe

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Alot

W/Mo

13 Jul 2005 at 11:06 - 36

Last night i was exploring north of Granite Citadel with Henchies, We got swamped by Stone summin and everyone died except Claude (mage henchie) He used a res signet on me and then i fled the scene for a few seconds and then went back and ressed everyone and we then explored for a good hour or so. Henchies do come in handy, not just as cannon fodder

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

13 Jul 2005 at 13:08 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phades

Its usually about then when alesia decides to start spritzing the monsters with her wand (awesome description btw), while orion uses firestorm once but lands where the melee monsters used to be, and the cultist hencmen runs around sacrificing all of his life to give all the melee members 3 extra pips of energy regeneration, since they are always "low on energy". There are also times when i see alesia chasing around the cultist henchmen trying to use healing touch while the cultist is busy running around busy sacrificing all of his life.

NEVER read entertaining posts like this before hitting the restroom in the morning.

LOOOOOOOL!

AFK....back in 2 min...(so I don't get dropped from the forum group)

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

13 Jul 2005 at 13:11 - 38

I wonder if they modeled the henchman AI on players that the developers doubtless sit and chuckle at while they're in the office.

*has a picture of the AN people sitting around a large screen plasma TV with one person in a PUG playing* They would be eating their burgers and taking notes on all the stupid stuff people do and say. I guess we're just lucky that the henchies don't talk.

DiAnna

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Jul 2005 at 13:33 - 39

Ummm... well, I know for a fact that Orion can rez, because I have a story similar to alexmeier175's. I was doing the Ruins of Sumaria bonus mission (all henchies), and when we got to the flame temple, imagine my suprise when big, bad lvl 12 W/Mo me was killed before I got in two good whacks. Well, there goes the entire mission, I said to myself. Nothing to do but sit there berating my own stupidity and waiting for the rest of my group to die so we could try again.

And yet... the battle continued to rage. Oh of course Alesia died. Alesia always dies, since she insists on proving to the world that yes, Monks CAN be tank. But Stefan soldiered on, and Orion, his health waning, continued to drop fiery death upon the enemy. To my shock, I heard the familiar clank of a sword being thrust through a shield! Mission complete... and WITHOUT ME. Stephan had a quarter of his health, and Orion had about 3 hps. So I thought, Now what? I'm dead, the healer is dead, the other two henchies will just sit there waiting for orders... can I Map out of here if I'm dead? While I'm congitating the gravity of the situation, something extraordinary happened. Before I could lift my jaw off the keyboard, Orion rezzed Alesia, and Alesia rezzed me.

My brave group of henchies and their humbled leader then finished the mission.

Bu7ch

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Cincinnati

Governors of Destruction [GOD]

R/

13 Jul 2005 at 15:28 - 40

I'm wondering if Menhlo can rez in the Ring of Fire...twice I've gone in there trying to cap a skill and Lina died. Not wanting to use up my rez sig i waited for him to rez Lina.......for 10 minutes! By then I had already finished dinner so I just rez'd Lina and went on my way. Sounds like a glitch but has anyone else seen this?