Since I have ascended and gotten to droknar's forge I have really enjoyed the game...capturing skills, fighting lev 24-28 mobs...I feel that the game really started once I gto to droknars....
However ascending has really nothing do do with it..I made level 20 by the time I got to druids overlook in the story line..I could've just paid someone 5k gotten run to draknor's and pretty much picked up teh game from there..in other word the fact that I am ascended is worth shit.
I loved teh ascencion part of teh game because it really separates the men from the boyz..I loved the misisons..stratgey etc...I still go back and hench some of them when I'm bored...but there is really no reward for ascending.
I think Anet should make things like skill capture as well as the high level armor available only to ascended players..that way it is worth your while to do it...
How does teh comunity feel about ascension? Do you thikn there hsould be more of a reward or a distinctive mark, like the /rank animation for rank 3 and above, or something like divine aura?
I for one would love to see something that shows how hard you have worked and sets you apart form unascended players.
Why Bother With Ascension?
alexmeier175
Mr Jazzy
whats the def of ascension?
MaglorD
Ya in the storyline, Anet makes it seem that Ascension makes you so much more powerful and able to defeat the mursaat/white mantle but in reality it's nothing all that great. All you get is a measly 50K XP for ascending...big deal. Anyone who runs from Beacon's Perch can easily carry on with the missions without having ascended.
I like your suggestion about droknar's or equivalent armor only available for ascendants...
I like your suggestion about droknar's or equivalent armor only available for ascendants...
knives
Yeah, that would stop the forge rushers. But then a new problem arises...the sanctum cay rushers? Then the ascension mission rushers? I don't know if it will go that far, but many are desperate for the armor..
Wings of Illusion
uhh 50k xp i think thats what you do it for.
Volomon
I'm a forge rusher for the point that feel that it makes the game easier for one of your newer characters, but if the orignal posts suggest was made reality I would be willing to accept that merely for the fact that it makes sense.
Then again I'd be willing for some kind of alternative as well. That doesn't remove or limit a persons ability to travel where they want.
Then again I'd be willing for some kind of alternative as well. That doesn't remove or limit a persons ability to travel where they want.
Zeru
You know not every player is so overleveled that they reach 20 well before ascension. I've ascended at 17, 13, and 15 respectively. And besides 50k xp is what...3 skill points at lower levels? If you skip that it's your own problem.
wheel
even players who've been rushed would be idiotic not to ascend. 50,000 xp, 2.5 skill points at level 20, is hard to argue with factoring in time spent. it's much better than FoW or UW grinding in terms of skill points/hour
PieXags
It's supposed to make you stronger in a sense that many people arive at around lvl 16, and 50k xp is just enough to jump you up to 20.
I do like the idea of droknar+ armor only being available to those who ascend, it pisses me off whenever some new guy meets up with me in the iron mines or something and keeps asking what the mursaat are and what "infused" is.
I do like the idea of droknar+ armor only being available to those who ascend, it pisses me off whenever some new guy meets up with me in the iron mines or something and keeps asking what the mursaat are and what "infused" is.
Kha
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But then a new problem arises...the sanctum cay rushers? Then the ascension mission rushers? I don't know if it will go that far, but many are desperate for the armor..
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GW Monkey
I'm getting pissed at the "cheaters" - if I see any character past Augury who's not 20th, that person does not get a party with me or anyone in my groups. I automatically refuse blind invites as it is, but if you're in Southern Shiverpeaks or beyond and you try to get game, I'll broadcast my dislike for you. You can play the game any way you want, but it's my hope that non-20ths will only be acceptable teammates to other non-20ths. I say it this way because there's no way to tell if a 20th ascended or just levelled, but a non-20th definitely didn't ascend.
There's no reason to skip Ascension. Why would you? Let's see... 1) you're a lame player and you don't have the ability to take down your doppleganger. 2) you're trying to get an advantage in lower arenas by not levelling, so you can still get into Ascalon or Yaks arena with max armor and elites you shouldn't have faction for, hoping to PWN TEH NOOBZ or whatever. Also lame. 3) you think you're cool and refuse to conform. We like conformity. We need it. There's no way to build an effective team with 8 leaders and no followers.
Course this has a side-effect I enjoy, if you can convince even one person to not pay a runner for the simple fact he'll get to Droknar's and never get on a team until he hits 20th anyway... maybe they won't arrive so damn stupid. Seeing someone in Drokar's asking "what is this blue text [unidentified] on my item mean?" will drive me to kill someone in real life eventually. Possibly your mom. So save an innocent life... don't party with non-20ths past Augury.
Excellent suggestion! It probably won't be considered because it'd be perceived as DRACONIAN but I love it anyway.
There's no reason to skip Ascension. Why would you? Let's see... 1) you're a lame player and you don't have the ability to take down your doppleganger. 2) you're trying to get an advantage in lower arenas by not levelling, so you can still get into Ascalon or Yaks arena with max armor and elites you shouldn't have faction for, hoping to PWN TEH NOOBZ or whatever. Also lame. 3) you think you're cool and refuse to conform. We like conformity. We need it. There's no way to build an effective team with 8 leaders and no followers.
Course this has a side-effect I enjoy, if you can convince even one person to not pay a runner for the simple fact he'll get to Droknar's and never get on a team until he hits 20th anyway... maybe they won't arrive so damn stupid. Seeing someone in Drokar's asking "what is this blue text [unidentified] on my item mean?" will drive me to kill someone in real life eventually. Possibly your mom. So save an innocent life... don't party with non-20ths past Augury.
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S there is really no reward for ascending.
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Rethan Soulfire
If you don't ascend you miss out on the final 30 attribute points, well, you must do the desert.
Arcador
Also it gives some game experiance (not Exp pts). The three tests are tough (even I passed them with henchmen). I even memorize some other players that decided to 'quit the game' cuz of those missions - cuz I guess they are far difficult to make with "rushers style". It servers maybe as somekind of filterh...BUT you may take the shortcut for 5k.
It was funny that I saw rushers even in Hell's fireplace and I am quite in wondering how did they get there? Staying afk while the other 7 complete the mission?
The dude said right - if you have not been acsended you have no access to the 15x2 atribute quests and probably cannot enter the Tournament area with this character.
It was funny that I saw rushers even in Hell's fireplace and I am quite in wondering how did they get there? Staying afk while the other 7 complete the mission?
The dude said right - if you have not been acsended you have no access to the 15x2 atribute quests and probably cannot enter the Tournament area with this character.
Kriegar
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If you don't ascend you miss out on the final 30 attribute points, well, you must do the desert.
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jaie
You need to ascend to get to Tombs, im pretty sure thats the main reason for it.
Crimson_1190
I thought it was only 15. The other 15 you get in the desert before you ascend. Like a half now, half on delivery sort of deal 
sojen
No ascension =
1) miss out on 15 attribute points.
2) Cannot go to Tombs then HoH to help PvP and gain favour of Gods for Temple of Ages
3) Start whining like a little kid when Korea or Europe takes the favour of god away from America (no offense here, just speaking from american server side. When I log into Temple of Ages, just so happens America loses the favour, and there you go, "f u korea" or "f u europe" I don't even want to start saying how much worse it gets...Go to HoH with guildmates or get a good group, win it back, sure it ain't easy, but sitting there swearing ain't helping a whole lot either).
1) miss out on 15 attribute points.
2) Cannot go to Tombs then HoH to help PvP and gain favour of Gods for Temple of Ages
3) Start whining like a little kid when Korea or Europe takes the favour of god away from America (no offense here, just speaking from american server side. When I log into Temple of Ages, just so happens America loses the favour, and there you go, "f u korea" or "f u europe" I don't even want to start saying how much worse it gets...Go to HoH with guildmates or get a good group, win it back, sure it ain't easy, but sitting there swearing ain't helping a whole lot either).
DrSLUGFly
I agree. Ascending means that you personally have caught the attention of the gods! and what does this mean? You have access to a small dwarven city... village really.
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womble
Is Ascension not a prerequisite for doing the "Change your secondary" Quests? Smells like it should be...
asdar
The infusion run should be part of ascension, then it would mean something. That's where you become powerful enough to stop the mursaat.
Talesin Darkbriar
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There's no reason to skip Ascension. Why would you? Let's see...
1) you're a lame player and you don't have the ability to take down your doppleganger. 2) you're trying to get an advantage in lower arenas by not levelling, so you can still get into Ascalon or Yaks arena with max armor and elites you shouldn't have faction for, hoping to PWN TEH NOOBZ or whatever. Also lame. 3) you think you're cool and refuse to conform. We like conformity. We need it. There's no way to build an effective team with 8 leaders and no followers. Seeing someone in Drokar's asking "what is this blue text [unidentified] on my item mean?" will drive me to kill someone in real life eventually. Possibly your mom. So save an innocent life... don't party with non-20ths past Augury. |
The standard excuse for rushing is "because I am already so elite I don't need to actually play the game as designed."
/vomit.
It's exactly as you state - they arrive in South shiverpeaks arrogant and clueless.
Talesin
Stur
Ya don't skip ascension, Elonas the only hard one an you can just pay a runner to do that one for you while you sip tea and watch TV, the ascension is also the only way to the dragons cave I believe where you cap some good elites LOL
Zoin34
I'd say the only way for people to stop skipping ascension is getting rid of lonars pass then u wouldnt have lvl 10 idiots in the arena with the best armor in the game....*sigh*
ZD_kusanagi
It's not so much a matter of being lame in the way of not being able to beat your doppleganger as you think. Personally, I wanted a challenge for myself, so I used a ranger with nothing but pre-searing armor through every single mission and on to augury rock at lvl 13. Does that mean i was rushed there? no. Do people automatically assume i was? of course. but at lvl 13, with pre- searing armor, it is literally impossible to beat your dopple. when he does hits of 50+ and you have only 300 hp, your dead. except. of course if you know how to play the game. i eventually beat him at lvl 15. so when you say it's for nothing, i really dissagree. i believe its basically to weed out the weak from the strong. those who have what it takes to beat him can go on, and those who dont, well, then they dont. lol
but i think you guys are missing out on a HUGE difference. those who don't ascend.. an the get to the hall of heroes? no. can they get to dragons lair with those elite skills? nope. but mostly, its the problem of they cant get to hoh without ascending. thats your reward. thats what your ascendin for. so you all should do it.
but i think you guys are missing out on a HUGE difference. those who don't ascend.. an the get to the hall of heroes? no. can they get to dragons lair with those elite skills? nope. but mostly, its the problem of they cant get to hoh without ascending. thats your reward. thats what your ascendin for. so you all should do it.
theclam
Ascension gives you 54,000-58,000 experience, plus 4 skill points (3 Ascension missions + Dragon's Lair) that won't get if you don't Ascend. It's very much worth it.
Zenos
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I'm getting pissed at the "cheaters" - if I see any character past Augury who's not 20th, that person does not get a party with me or anyone in my groups. I automatically refuse blind invites as it is, but if you're in Southern Shiverpeaks or beyond and you try to get game, I'll broadcast my dislike for you. You can play the game any way you want, but it's my hope that non-20ths will only be acceptable teammates to other non-20ths. I say it this way because there's no way to tell if a 20th ascended or just levelled, but a non-20th definitely didn't ascend.
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Edit: I do consider Dunes, Elonas and Thirsty River past Augury Rock since it is your first stop on the road to ascension.
If you want to know some reasons why I might have my 3rd char rushed to Droknars here they are:
1: To not have to waste all my salvage inventory on 3 sets of armor before I get there.
2: Due to the last few patches I am not getting anywhere near the drops I did before. (And I am not farming) Likely I will not have the cash or resources to get Droknar armor if I do it the correct way without farming after ascension. Ohh yeah farming is nerfed so I can't do it that way either.
3: I have done all the missions twice. Not to mention the times I went back to help other people. So doing them again would be boring. I guess I could just quit playing and never buy another expansion set, but I doubt ANet would like that too much.
4: To help someone else make some money so that they can buy their 15k armor.
5: To see if I can make it through Ice caves and Iron Mines with henchies at level 10 for a challenge.
Going back to low level arenas or to spam at Droknars for a ride to somewhere else is lame. Especially when you would have 7 level 20 henchies. There is no reason to spam for a runner at Beacons. If you are there a couple of minutes a runner will advertise their services.
ZD_kusanagi
That was probably my ranger lol.
mamluk
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Too true. Unfortunately I believe you and I are the only players who feel this way.
The standard excuse for rushing is "because I am already so elite I don't need to actually play the game as designed." /vomit. It's exactly as you state - they arrive in South shiverpeaks arrogant and clueless. Talesin |
Are you really so arrogant that you insist that the game must be played in the same linear fashion that you played it in? Fact is, characters can zip through all the missions and end up in the desert at quite a low level, without having to get run to droknars or sanctum cay. Are you going to say that they haven't played the game properly, because they haven't done bonuses or side quests? I can understand that you wouldn't want to group with them, but your feelings seem to extend past that.
I rushed my third character and I have been having a blast playing him, much more so than the first two (and you would think that it would get more boring the third time around). I took groups of henchies out getting elites and leveling my character up at the same time. I got to the ring of fire without ever grouping with anyone, just henchies and this at level 15 (I am sure others have done ever better). The point is, if you are a smart player, you can go through the whole game using just henchies. I haven't been a burden to anyone. It seems like I am having a much more enjoyable time playing this game without worrying and fretting about players who rush through the game.
bobrath
I guess the difference is Mamluk, you aren't joining up with groups and asking what blue text items are, what a "marsut" is, or "why are we attacking the white mantle they're our friends".
I've had too many chars show up in the forge that took the easy way with their first character. Maybe the solution is that Lornar's pass becomes impassable if at least one of your characters has not ascended. That way folks who have played through the game even once are justified in skipping parts, but the first timers are routed through the full story line.
(I still feel bad for my first time through a mission when I actually watch the cinematic even when the rest of the party wants to skip it).
I've had too many chars show up in the forge that took the easy way with their first character. Maybe the solution is that Lornar's pass becomes impassable if at least one of your characters has not ascended. That way folks who have played through the game even once are justified in skipping parts, but the first timers are routed through the full story line.
(I still feel bad for my first time through a mission when I actually watch the cinematic even when the rest of the party wants to skip it).
mamluk
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I guess the difference is Mamluk, you aren't joining up with groups and asking what blue text items are, what a "marsut" is, or "why are we attacking the white mantle they're our friends".
I've had too many chars show up in the forge that took the easy way with their first character. Maybe the solution is that Lornar's pass becomes impassable if at least one of your characters has not ascended. That way folks who have played through the game even once are justified in skipping parts, but the first timers are routed through the full story line. (I still feel bad for my first time through a mission when I actually watch the cinematic even when the rest of the party wants to skip it). |
To me, it boils down to just avoiding those who annoy you and getting on with playing the game and having fun. And some of the clueless questions in droknar's just make me laugh, not mad.
Cymmina
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Is Ascension not a prerequisite for doing the "Change your secondary" Quests? Smells like it should be...
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I think forcing people to be ascended to use Signet of Capture, a skill you aquire in Lion's Arch, stupid. The first elite skills start showing up on bosses prior to ascention. All you'd end up doing is have even more people join groups under the pretense of completing the ascention missions, then jump ship once they've gotten the elite they were unable to aquire their first time through.
Completing the ascention quests since they changed the ascention reward now automatically completes your current secondary's quest, so that's another free 1000 exp in addition to the 50k exp you get from ascention.
My roommate rushed through Lornar's Pass on his first character so he could get good armor to continue going on with my 3rd RP character. From there, we continued on with the storyline from Lion's Arch to Divinity Coast, then rushed to Sanctum Cay and ascended. Big whoop. But, I suppose the difference is that all "stupid noob questions" are directed at me, rather than making other players cringe.
borkbork
* Added party configuration requirement so that parties containing henchmen or unascended players are now prevented from entering the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld.
From new patch..
From new patch..
salja Wachi
actually what i think it does or what it should to is make most people have to start thinking of tactics and teamwork, instead be being able to takn any amount of mobs up to the desert.
the desert and the ascension missions are exponentially harder than any mission up to tht point. i think that the devs made this so people would start working together and raelly learn the game
the desert and the ascension missions are exponentially harder than any mission up to tht point. i think that the devs made this so people would start working together and raelly learn the game
Edge Martinez
borkbork's post pretty much solves the 'Why should I ascend?' Not getting to play in UW or FoW would be no big deal to a PvP guy who is just unlocking skills. I'd say it would be terrible for a PvE guy, which you are most likely to encounter.
EternalTempest
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* Added party configuration requirement so that parties containing henchmen or unascended players are now prevented from entering the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld.
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Anyone notice this one
*Added tags to highlight fellow guild members in outposts.
Looks like the compaliants about towns / guild members / npc's map issues are starting to be detlt with.
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borkbork's post pretty much solves the 'Why should I ascend?' Not getting to play in UW or FoW would be no big deal to a PvP guy who is just unlocking skills. I'd say it would be terrible for a PvE guy, which you are most likely to encounter.
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