15k Druids
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Cunning
That's what I call fantasy. 
We are not talking about wet dreams!
A behaviour like that, is the reason I don´t want that in a game!
We are not talking about wet dreams!A behaviour like that, is the reason I don´t want that in a game!
Sleet
"A behaviour like that, is the reason I don´t want that in a game!"
nobody force you to play this game.
nobody force you to play this game.
Calibur
15k druid armor looks cool in black * for the male*
and the looks is how everyone is going to have to adjust too.
and the looks is how everyone is going to have to adjust too.
Nairo
I do agree with Kashrlyyk about the new armor. Sure, this is a game, but still, how do you expect someone to fight hordes of enemies wearing nothing but the bare essentials? It doesn't make sense, and that's very annoying to someone like me.
Sleet
hmm do you know what is magic ? U can be naked and have powerful Necklace and be imune to all dmg. Come on ! Use your imagination and/or take a book to your hand -_-V no off but like i said no one is forcing you to play this char.
Kishin
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Raising dead and casting meteor is fantasy, but fantasy, imo, doesn´t include running around half naked fighting monsters!
Tell that to Robert E. Howard and Conan.
drowningfish999
Well, if you look at the Hulk, the stronger he gets, the more clothes he loses. Therefore less clothes=more strength. 
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Sleet
hmm do you know what is magic ? U can be naked and have powerful Necklace and be imune to all dmg. Come on ! Use your imagination and/or take a book to your hand -_-V no off but like i said no one is forcing you to play this char.
Because it is unrealistic! And they stick to realism! A sword is a melee weapon and not a ranged weapon, and they stick to that! Iron armor protects better than leather, and again they stick to that! But why don´t they stick to: An armor must cover most of the body to protect it? Why is it always the females that are half naked?
There are people creating backgrounds for their characters and when they buy the armor, they see that their brave, fighting ranger, has been reduced to a bikini model! That is destroying the roleplaying atmosphere completly! Hey, look! My death bringing character looks like she is a bikini model! Yeah! That is really great!
Druids Arrow
I like the look of the male Rangers in all black, however, I'll stick to my 15k Drakescale (all black) thank you very much.
Just as Kashrlyyk pointed out aswell isn't Armor supposed to be just that, Armor? The 15k Druid Female Armor (key word Armor) looks like a bikini model. It's hardly armor, however I'm not complaining. Crito
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Why are they sticking do stupid clichees and not trying to create something new?
true that, in all the best fantasy ive read no one makes a big deal about all the girlies running around in small suits. If all you are writing/programming is centered on how much the girls are/arnt wearing you are pulling away from a new world and just trying to get some horny guys to buy. The 1.5 gladiator armor is great, its sexy and it lookis like armor. The 15k druids and gladiator are not a more beautiful armor but just a tribute to the human body. I think its not a tribute because 1)I it promotes objectification of the ladies and 2) if your going to praise the human body why isnt there a naked man?(I didnt say this to be gay but to point out once again that the real reason this was done was to give the boys playing something to drool at from behind the safty of a screen. Go to the beach, Id rather have the deves working on sweet weapons and new areas.)
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Crito
true that, in all the best fantasy ive read no one makes a big deal about all the girlies running around in small suits. If all you are writing/programming is centered on how much the girls are/arnt wearing you are pulling away from a new world and just trying to get some horny guys to buy. The 1.5 gladiator armor is great, its sexy and it lookis like armor. The 15k druids and gladiator are not a more beautiful armor but just a tribute to the human body. I think its not a tribute because 1)I it promotes objectification of the ladies and 2) if your going to praise the human body why isnt there a naked man?(I didnt say this to be gay but to point out once again that the real reason this was done was to give the boys playing something to drool at from behind the safty of a screen. Go to the beach, Id rather have the deves working on sweet weapons and new areas.)
And I would like the devs to be redoing the female druids 15k "armor"!
Shoujo
Naked men - There are plenty of half-naked men in Guild Wars
 . Just take a look at the male gladiators, tatooed monks, and scarred necros. They may not be naked, but the mesmer males wear skin tight clothing that shows off their behind.Roleplaying - Huh? What roleplaying atmosphere? The most 'roleplaying' I've seen in GW only goes as far as a fantasyish name. Scantily clad women would be the least of my worries if I were a RPer in GW. Realism - They most certainly don't stick to realism. Just about every weapon in the game would be impractical to wield. We have characters that are being struck by meteors and lightning and living to tell the tale. Characters perform just as well at 1% health as they do at full health. Missions can be repeated regardless of the number of times failed with no consequence to the plot. Is it really so hard to assume the leather bras are magically imbued and whatnot?
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Shoujo
Naked men - There are plenty of half-naked men in Guild Wars
. Just take a look at the male gladiators, tatooed monks, and scarred necros. They may not be naked, but the mesmer males wear skin tight clothing that shows off their behind.Roleplaying - Huh? What roleplaying atmosphere? The most 'roleplaying' I've seen in GW only goes as far as a fantasyish name. Scantily clad women would be the least of my worries if I were a RPer in GW. Realism - They most certainly don't stick to realism. Just about every weapon in the game would be impractical to wield. We have characters that are being struck by meteors and lightning and living to tell the tale. Characters perform just as well at 1% health as they do at full health. Missions can be repeated regardless of the number of times failed with no consequence to the plot. Is it really so hard to assume the leather bras are magically imbued and whatnot? For every "naked" man,there is an equally naked woman! But for the female druid there isn´t! If you have made a background for your character and then you see that this character is reduced to a bikini model, than the atmosphere is lacking! This is a fantasy game, which means there are magic and wands! But when you look at the armor design and the other weopans, you will realize that they stick to realism! A sword still is melee! And a platemail grants better protection than a leather armor! The look of the armor of professions that exist in reality look realistic, except for the female druid! She looks like a waitress on a beach! That breaks the realistic looks of the rest of her armor! psykadelic224
i agree fully with kashrlyyk this is a bit obsurd...... you cant seriously think that 15k druids is armor and you know that kashrlyyk is right so admit and dont say to yourself "no if i admit i cant wake up every morning with an erection thinking about my 15k druids!"
jesh
Okay, seriously. Yes, it looks very little like armor. Yes, most of the female classes are that way. Yes, maybe it is a little too... little. BUT it's not like you have to wear it. Which is why I don't get the RP point of view. No one's forcing you to wear it. It's not like it even has better stats. Go wear collectors armor or something if you're scared of ruining your illusion of reality. Let the slu7s wear their slu77y clothes. This is the way things have always been. I don't have any complaints.
Shoujo
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
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Quote: If you have made a background for your character and then you see that this character is reduced to a bikini model, than the atmosphere is lacking! The character is only reduced to a bikini model if you allow it by wearing the bikini outfits.
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No, if I want the status symbol of the prestidge armor, I am forced to wear a bikini as a female druid! I don´t get the status of a druid, I get the status of a bikini model!|
Originally Posted by psykadelic224
you cant seriously think that 15k druids is armor and you know that kashrlyyk is right so admit and dont say to yourself "no if i admit i cant wake up every morning with an erection thinking about my 15k druids!"
Yes, I can think 15k druids is armor. In a world where simple clothing and tatoos can provide protection against stab wounds, I don't see how it's far fetched to assume that leather bras can also provide meaningful protection.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Shoujo
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Those ram's hammers, oversized swords, handaxes, and stormbows don't look realistic. Studded leather skirts provide the same, and in some cases better protection than other leather outfits which cover more skin. The weapon-boosting leather helms do provide comparable protection to platemail helms. Against physical attacks, the most revealing gladiator's armor provides the best protection. That warrior's fissure armor is a joke. The druids armor has twigs tied to it. One or more of those ranger armors has a bloody animal's skull on its shoulder. Leather armor provides protection against the elements. Why? Where's the realism except at a bare-bones level?
All AL of all armors are very near together, that is for game balance! But still all other armors look like armor! The weapons don´t look realistic, but they are use in a realistic ways! A bow is a ranged weapon, and a sword is a melee weapon!
Warrior armor has iron build into it, that is why they have a higher AL and they cover mostly the whole body, with exception of the gladiator!
A gladiators armos is realistic, they wore that in ancient Rome! And because of balance issues, all warrior armors, need to have the nearly same AL!
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How does the gladiator behave unrealistic? You have a fully armored arm and a shield! That is enough to protect yourself! The bikini armor protects the druid only where the armor is! She can not use her arms to defend her too, since they aren´t armored! If a bikini grants AL of 60, how much AL should the 1.5k armor have, since it covers more than the 15k?Warrior armor has iron build into it, that is why they have a higher AL and they cover mostly the whole body, with exception of the gladiator!
A gladiators armos is realistic, they wore that in ancient Rome! And because of balance issues, all warrior armors, need to have the nearly same AL!
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In that case, you can wear the other 15k ranger armors or just the arm and boot pieces of the 15k druids, possibly the leggings as well if you need the statistical benefits.|
Originally Posted by Shoujo
Yes, I can think 15k druids is armor. In a world where simple clothing and tatoos can provide protection against stab wounds, I don't see how it's far fetched to assume that leather bras can also provide meaningful protection.
Mages wear simple cloth for armor. They have their spells, maybe even the whole armor is made stronger via a spell! But a ranger is not a mage! The armor level he has, is purely given through the armor he wears! And the reduction of elemental damage, shows the closeness to nature!
Scars and tattoo can be magical symbols or words, delivering protection. But the ranger doesn´t have that! Shoujo
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
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All AL of all armors are very near together, that is for game balance! But still all other armors look like armor! The weapons don´t look realistic, but they are use in a realistic ways! A bow is a ranged weapon, and a sword is a melee weapon! Warrior armor has iron build into it, that is why they have a higher AL and they cover mostly the whole body, with exception of the gladiator! A gladiators armos is realistic, they wore that in ancient Rome! And because of balance issues, all warrior armors, need to have the nearly same AL! So you're saying that unrealistic items can behave in a realstic fashion? Or that items can look realistic (gladiator's armor), but behave unrealistically? Realism has no connection with function then. What's wrong with bikini armor in that case? You mention iron a lot. How is it that superior quality cloth and leather items can have comparable or better AR than items containing iron? Take Droknar cloth/leather items and compare them to the lower quality warrior armor available in Ascalon. The latter has iron in it, but doesn't provide better protection. Superior quality or no, cloth is cloth, and leather is leather. How do you explain this without magic? If you can't, and have to rely on magic, then why can't bikini armor provide protection? Quote:
Why should I not be able to be dressed decent, while wearing the druids status armor? Why is the female druid the only character, that has to be a bikini model, when you want to wear the status armor?
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You mention iron a lot. How is it that superior quality cloth and leather items can have comparable or better AR than items containing iron? Take Droknar cloth/leather items and compare them to the lower quality warrior armor available in Ascalon. The latter has iron in it, but doesn't provide better protection. Superior quality or no, cloth is cloth, and leather is leather. How do you explain this without magic? If you can't, and have to rely on magic, then why can't bikini armor provide protection?
You pay more money, you get a better armor! How difficult is that? The blacksmith in Drognar is better than the blacksmith everywhere else! That is how that works!
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Originally Posted by Shoujo
Rangers are servants of nature and command nature spirits. Mages don't have a specific spell that augments their armor (not the same as AR), but you make the connection between their magic and the protective qualities of their clothing. How is it far-fetched to assume that it nature spirits that protect rangers regardless of how much they're wearing? You yourself make a similar argument to explain the protection from elements.
Mages have a lot of spells to increase their AL and to slow down groups of enemies, why would they be depended on armor as much as a ranger, who doesn´t have that? Ranger have spells that only affect people in the range of the spirit!
Ever wondered why the ascetic armor of the monk doesn´t show much bareskin? Because it is too far fetched to explain the AL, but with tattoos, the AL is explainable! The spirits protecting the ranger would protect her even, when she is wearing something you can actually callk armor! So in that case the ranger should have a very much better AL, but that isn´t the fact! Shoujo
Meh, forget this. It's obviously going nowhere
Kaleido Katie
There's too much fighting going on about this armor. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Just use the 1.5 stuff. I personally really like it. I think it fits well with the whole Rangerness. I'm glad I bought it.
It somewhat makes me think of this too:
Teelana Singh
Here's my Ranger's 15k Druids armor, dyed purple. I want to dye the whole armor purple/silver mixed, but for now I have 2 purples and no silvers
 I personally love the armor. Just looks cool IMHO.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Kaleido Katie
There's too much fighting going on about this armor. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Just use the 1.5 stuff. I personally really like it. I think it fits well with the whole Rangerness. I'm glad I bought it.
"If you don´t like it, don´t buy it"? Why should my female druid not have her 15k armor and look decent?
What does "running around half naked" have to do with rangers?
Night Daftshadow
one thing i dont like about the 15k druid is the shoes. why does the female have to be bare foot? i prefer the 1.5k druid shoes. i've seen a ranger with 15k chest and leggings combo with 1.5k shoes. looks pretty awesome.
raven214
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
What does "running around half naked" have to do with rangers?
It seems to be more of a female thing in GW... not just with rangers.. (ex: 15k glad, ele)
maxpower dansamy
Wow! Talk about being camoflauged!
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by raven214
It seems to be more of a female thing in GW... not just with rangers.. (ex: 15k glad, ele)
Male Galdiator is half naked too! Male Tatoo and scar is half naked, too!Only with the druids and elementalists the females ones are half naked and the males not! But while all of the elementalists armor look similar revealing. Only the 15k druid "armor" is revealing, the 1.5k armor is an armor!! Ranger life in the woods. Would anyone of you run around in a bikini in the woods and tame a wild animal while doing that?
DFrost
No matter what the armors look like, there is always somebody you who doesn't like them. Looks like you got the basket o' lemons this time. Live with it, create another character or buy Droknar's/FoW. I personally like it, and will buy at least the leggings and the chestpiece (or the bra, if you will) when I have the cash.
Think about how much whining would ensue if they changed the design? "OMG I liked it, WTF why change it, aNET SUCKS!!" etc etc etc.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by DFrost
Think about how much whining would ensue if they changed the design? "OMG I liked it, WTF why change it, aNET SUCKS!!" etc etc etc.
Maybe the change it, because it is the right thing to do? It is more important to do the right thing, than to satisfy your customers!
lawman
here's my ranger. I tried to a close as I could to Gohan from dragon ball z.. Green vest, black leggings and white boots and gloves. All i need now is some spiky gold hair
Jhyphi
I do like that 1 comment by someone saying something like is this the Hillary Clinton thread in disguise? Haha.
Whine whine whine. Go wear something else like everyone else said. I could similarly start a thread whining about too much padding on 15k male ranger armor making my guy "unrealistic" and too bulky to move swiftly and stealthily like how I imagine a ranger to. What about the fact that your great IRON armor running at same speed as someone wearing cloth and armor? Where's the realism in that? As everyone pointed out, tattoos(not sure where you live but tattoos never protected anyone either, yet you someone "logic" your way about this), etc. are all quite "naked" similarly. Clearly you only have a problem with female ranger 15k druid armor where many other classes are the same. So you go and make up lots of ideas about your own imagination of fantasy to try to explain why everything else is logical except for this 1 thing which you didn't like in the first place.
Kashrlyyk
Changed my mind!
emil knight
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Why should my female druid not have her 15k armor and look decent?
What does "running around half naked" have to do with rangers? Ok... I'm going to stop you right here. First off, you're a RANGER, not a DRUID. It's Druid's ARMOR. That doesn't make you a Druid. Second, if we are going to debate the fact that this IS Druids armor, then lets look at the Male stuff. That doesn't exactly scream "Druid" to me either! So now we've established that neither of these are true "druid's" armors, so let's leave that argument for another thread. You can Petition ANet to change the name of them if that's the issue here. Third, what does "running around half naked" have to do with ANY CLASS? And more to the point, WHO CARES? Again I say to you... if you don't like it, DON'T BUY IT. Prestige is a POOR excuse to buy armor in this game. Just becuase you bought expensive armor doesn't mean you're a good fighter. How long did it take you to get them money? Did you do it with this character or do you have others? How does expensive armor = great ranger? Sorry, your points are NOT valid. Come up with a GOOD reason to change this and maybe you'll get more people on your side about it.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by emil knight
Ok... I'm going to stop you right here.
First off, you're a RANGER, not a DRUID. It's Druid's ARMOR. That doesn't make you a Druid. Second, if we are going to debate the fact that this IS Druids armor, then lets look at the Male stuff. That doesn't exactly scream "Druid" to me either! So now we've established that neither of these are true "druid's" armors, so let's leave that argument for another thread. You can Petition ANet to change the name of them if that's the issue here. Third, what does "running around half naked" have to do with ANY CLASS? And more to the point, WHO CARES? Again I say to you... if you don't like it, DON'T BUY IT. Prestige is a POOR excuse to buy armor in this game. Just becuase you bought expensive armor doesn't mean you're a good fighter. How long did it take you to get them money? Did you do it with this character or do you have others? How does expensive armor = great ranger? Sorry, your points are NOT valid. Come up with a GOOD reason to change this and maybe you'll get more people on your side about it. Would sexism be a good enough reason?
Storm Crow
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Would sexism be a good enough reason?
If you are implying that emil is a sexist, I think you might have problems. I believe he makes a good point, it is druid's ARMOR and just because you wear said armor, doesnt make you one. I think his third point is his best, and I agree entirely.
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