they kill them, and start to kill the rockshots, kill them, and finily the scarabs, so they killed everything without me, i am very impressed with it! Good soild hench AI update!
New Henchman AI-Very Impressed!
Wa$d
First, this is not a rant on updates, and its not about the whole update, just then hench. Im in the crytsal desert and we are being swarmed by all sorts of enemies, jade, 2 hyrdas, and rockshot, and i go down.......all the hench are left. Im like "thats it, we are died!" but then they start to focus fire on one enemy at a time, by now the hrydas are dead, but before they went down they were firing meteor so i am like "MOVE hench!" and guess what they did, they spread out! they kill them, and start to kill the rockshots, kill them, and finily the scarabs, so they killed everything without me, i am very impressed with it! Good soild hench AI update!
they kill them, and start to kill the rockshots, kill them, and finily the scarabs, so they killed everything without me, i am very impressed with it! Good soild hench AI update!
gosl
Go henchies!! They don't need us humans to slow them down. 
Wa$d
lol, but they tried to rez me 3 times during battle, repatedly getting interupted, when a human play wont try when they know they are going to fail, so not perfect AI, but getting there 
drowningfish999
I actually gotta admit the henchmen don't seem any better than before. I'm not saying I disliked the updates, but I think the change in henchman AI was based on their pathing, not behavior. I was trying the Elona Reach mission just for the heck of it, and Lina, the Protector, ran RIGHT up to the warriors, and even while being targeted by the entire mob, continued to sit there. Then when she died, Alesia ran up and tried to rez her, dieing in the process. Eventually my team was destroyed without the aid of any healing.
The henchmen still have a few IQ problems, but I think their getting better slowly.
The henchmen still have a few IQ problems, but I think their getting better slowly.
Alderman Sweet
I wonder if they still get stuck near the catapult levers in Ice Caves? Guess I could find out.
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I actually gotta admit the henchmen don't seem any better than before. I'm not saying I disliked the updates, but I think the change in henchman AI was based on their pathing, not behavior. I was trying the Elona Reach mission just for the heck of it, and Lina, the Protector, ran RIGHT up to the warriors, and even while being targeted by the entire mob, continued to sit there. Then when she died, Alesia ran up and tried to rez her, dieing in the process. Eventually my team was destroyed without the aid of any healing.
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Racthoh
The level 20 henchmen are a lot better than a lot of players I've been with. Considering I travel with Mhenlo and Lina, and one is healer the other protector... our party of 8 rarely has a death.
I couldn't believe in the Ember Light Camp when somehow Lina managed to kill 3 dryders!
I couldn't believe in the Ember Light Camp when somehow Lina managed to kill 3 dryders!
(absent)
well sometimes i'll get annoyed at alesia. a couple times when i die, the henchies will keep fighting, but sadly get cut down until Alesia is the only survivor. Now 15% DP is bad enough, but then sometimes Alesia will try to rez me, and i know if she's successful, my DP will get bumped right up to 30% cause naturally my weak elementalist won't be able to stand the brutal onslaught of centaur warriors.
Numa Pompilius
One BIG advantage is that Lina is available pre-ascension. She wasn't until this evening, but with her, suddenly Thirsty River wasn't terribly hard to solo with henches at all.
Lilanthe
I agree, I just did mineral springs ( well not entirely ) with henchies with alot of ease. When I saw a group of 6-7-8 avicaras before, I had really a bad feeling about my life. But that was pretty easy
Wa$d
True, the addition of lina was a big improvement, i would just like a little back story on why all of a sudden, when we get to new towns (ascalon to yaks as a example), why we have new hech to use, i know to fill the party, i would just like a little back story on them
Muffles 12
Im out of town, and would like to know, is lina a special person, or a hench?
Muffles 12
And yes im far enough to know normaly if you were wondering. 
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Aracos79
Actually if you remember WAY back in pre-searing... Lina the Healer is the NPC that gives you the Resurrection Signet and its associated quest. So she does appear in the game other than as a henchmen. If you talk to her, she complains about the lousy job of maintaining the resurrection shrine.
SoiL
henchmen r so stupid! i was fighting about 10 things and the bloody healer was healing me and healing them! i ended up dieing in the end!
primal98
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henchmen r so stupid! i was fighting about 10 things and the bloody healer was healing me and healing them! i ended up dieing in the end!
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So the healer was healing you and healing them.... who exactly is them.... and does a monk have something to do such a thing o.O?
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TheGreatBoo
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henchmen r so stupid! i was fighting about 10 things and the bloody healer was healing me and healing them! i ended up dieing in the end!
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As for the rest of the posts, I have yet to make a party full of henchman. I'm glad to hear that their ai is being updated though. It's good to see that arena.net continues to take steps to increase henchmans worth in missions. What I'm worried about is their pvp value. On occasion, my guild had to make use of a healer henchman, and the results were only about par. A few dumb decisions here and there, but overall it wasn't too bad. After this new patch, I'm eager to see how improved the yare.
On a different note however, I would really like to see the monster ai improved. I'm sure that many players have seen monsters do some very odd things. One event in particular comes to mind:
I was completing some of the bonus missions I left behind with my character, and I eventually got to the frost gate. After getting close to the bonus, I was fighting a group of 3 summit dwarves and 1 ice golem. After making the first strike, the 3 summit dwarves started to rush me, but then halted and shifted their course. I started to laugh when I realized that they were targeting rurik, who was safely out of harms way under the bridge. I'm sure many others have had some interesting and odd experiences as well.
Avalust
I have to say that I'm very impressed with the henchmen since the last patch. They focus fire well. The warriors tend to not rush in and when you retreat back (like luring) they follow a little better. I know the henchmen are now smarter than some of the pugs I've had.
Pheonix Ascension
I know the henchmen are now smarter than some of the pugs I've had.Pheonix Ascension
Edge Martinez
Yeah I think he means Heal Area. Never really use it much in PvE.
Maxiemonster
Yippie ! Improved henchmen AI
Algren Cole
we should get past the idea of refering to the henchies as having AI...because they don't
DrSLUGFly
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Go henchies!! They don't need us humans to slow them down.
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I keep asking Thom to join my guild but he won't answer
EverBlue
I dunno, I still find that henches do some of the stupidest things. Running through lava, and I used Rebirth on Lina to pull her body from the burning fire, and as soon as she's out (With her skills recharging and barely any health) she runs back in to ressurect a fallen mesmer in our party, and ends up dead again.
DrSLUGFly
perhaps there should be a chain of priorities:
1-stay alive
2-heal weakened members (if applicable)
3-fight threats
4-resurect fallen members (if applicable)
5-/dance
1-stay alive
2-heal weakened members (if applicable)
3-fight threats
4-resurect fallen members (if applicable)
5-/dance
Wa$d
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Kaylynn Of Ascalon
this is nothing new at all. all they did was change the way the henchies follow the main char.
also, i have on MANY many many times had my henchies (after i died) keep fighting, focus on one enemy at a time and defeat the entire enemy mob with out my help. Many times I've laid there dead watching my henchies kick ass. so I'm glad you are happy with the henchies but like I said its nothing new.
also, i have on MANY many many times had my henchies (after i died) keep fighting, focus on one enemy at a time and defeat the entire enemy mob with out my help. Many times I've laid there dead watching my henchies kick ass. so I'm glad you are happy with the henchies but like I said its nothing new.
TheGreatBoo
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perhaps there should be a chain of priorities:
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Most importantly, I've always had trouble with dot skills. Especially fighting things like dryders and the like. Dot on the entire party sucks, especially with a healer hench. I've seen them actually use protection spells instead of healing seed or just plain healing. If theirs a dot, fix it with a regen spell. If the entire partys dropping, use heal party first. And for the love of god, if theirs no threat, and everyones health is regenerating, resurrect before making sure everyones at full hp. When I die, I expect to be promptly ressurected after everyones out of harms way. I don't want to have to wait until everyone has full hp.
/dance just seems like an added bonus.
Malchiel
The protector doesn't have any healing spell. But what she has is divine favor. So everytime she casts a protection on you, you're actually healed, if only for a little.
As for dying, the AI actually promptly attempts to resurrect you. At times to a fault.
As for dying, the AI actually promptly attempts to resurrect you. At times to a fault.
DrSLUGFly
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And it would be funny if all the henches suddenly broke into dance when teh party didn't move for a few minutes.Calculations would be necessary of course. When there's no danger res should come before heal, and when there's a dead monk, the monk should get the first res (to help with res).
rotor
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The protector doesn't have any healing spell. But what she has is divine favor. So everytime she casts a protection on you, you're actually healed, if only for a little.
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Actually Protection Prayers have 3 non elite heal spells (2 that require conditions) and 3 elite heal spells (1 that require conditions)
But I have noticed that the prot hech will use Reversal of fortune.
Not sure wich elite spells the hench uses
Shandoo Bilari
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Now 15% DP is bad enough, but then sometimes Alesia will try to rez me, and i know if she's successful, my DP will get bumped right up to 30%
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Sir Maddox
Hrm. I too noticed the Lina connection. (Pre-Searing Academy Monk)
However, she's now of a much lighter skin tone, and much lighter beehive hair. If there IS a connection, I think her look could at least be updated to be recongizable. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a dark skinned henchmen. :P
However, she's now of a much lighter skin tone, and much lighter beehive hair. If there IS a connection, I think her look could at least be updated to be recongizable. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a dark skinned henchmen. :P
TheGreatBoo
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Hrm. I too noticed the Lina connection. (Pre-Searing Academy Monk)
However, she's now of a much lighter skin tone, and much lighter beehive hair. If there IS a connection, I think her look could at least be updated to be recongizable. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a dark skinned henchmen. :P |
Arvydas
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Yeah I think he means Heal Area. Never really use it much in PvE.
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Heal Area! Heal Area!
Back to topic. I haven't really noticed substantial improvements in henchmen AI.... they blocked my path once...
Darkest Dawn
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Yeah I think he means Heal Area. Never really use it much in PvE.
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The undead Mesmer
i noticed that they updated it my monk whas farming a bit when i could find my henchies normal the henchies whil follow and stay close to you now only the warrior whill stand next to you but the healers protectors etc. are standing 10 miles back i knw it improves the keep yourself alive factor and some other things.
but it seemed that they where talking about me way back there in the background
but it seemed that they where talking about me way back there in the background
Age
Hi I am new on these boards but not to the game and I am on Guild Hall.I am a beta tester that goes back to Feb.05.I would like to know your thoughts on a Hammer Warrior as an AI so that there would be 3 to choose from and with some good skills.
rwt2006
Wow the first postive thread about this update
or wait any update almost ha!
or wait any update almost ha!
stumpy
i agree ... i do love that update re: henchies AI ....
funny story though I have to share ... l was in U/W playing my monk with my guildies running quests when I was heading back from the mayor to go get the monuments quest when we came to the stairs with the hole in the ground (you know the one everyone like hiding in) ... well guess what happened to me as I joyfully headed to descend down the stairs ... I went up ... and up and up like the broken henchies lol ... when they use to run off into the sky. remember those days. guess Anet flagged me as too powerful and swapped alesia and my role. Everyone was laughin so hard no one could get a picture then blammo I was in the lead back on the ground. Flying is quite fun I must say!
funny story though I have to share ... l was in U/W playing my monk with my guildies running quests when I was heading back from the mayor to go get the monuments quest when we came to the stairs with the hole in the ground (you know the one everyone like hiding in) ... well guess what happened to me as I joyfully headed to descend down the stairs ... I went up ... and up and up like the broken henchies lol ... when they use to run off into the sky. remember those days. guess Anet flagged me as too powerful and swapped alesia and my role. Everyone was laughin so hard no one could get a picture then blammo I was in the lead back on the ground. Flying is quite fun I must say!