If anyone from ANet ever reads this, I'd really like to know what their future intentions for Guild Wars are. It seems Guild Wars just took a HUGE turn for the worse. ANet says they want to discourage grinding, and yet they reduce drops from all monsters SIGNIFICANTLY, thusly making heavy grinding the ONLY viable way to get better weapons, etc, while taking out more than half the fun of the game for PvE players. This isn't all they have done to hinder the PvE experience. Now all those rare materials and dyes you worked so hard for are worth absolutely nothing, unless you wish to spend hours spamming the trade channels which only multiplies the grind. And since the NPCs will no longer pay fair prices for materials, dyes, or runes, EVERYONE is spamming the trade channels in a vain attempt to sell their items.
Now here's to a blind hope that this is all in preparation for something BETTER that's in the works. I'll try to remain hopeful for as long as I can, but you'd think that if they were doing this in order to augment some new system, they would WAIT until that system was ready before unleashing the communist hounds and utterly destroying the in-game economy, or ruining PvE by making it impossible to make money or find good items for your characters to use.
I await your response, ANet.
Sincerely,
Wolfgang Dietrich
What are your intentions ANet?
suzumebachi
EmperorTippy
/Agreed
I would like to know your intentions also. I will buy the next expansion but unless a serious fix is put inplace and you explain what possible solutions you are coming up with and fix your coustermer service so that I don't get an automated responce to a valid question I won't be back anymore.
(It is sad though that I forsaw this, read some of my very old economic threads on here, but no one took me seriously and put their trust in ANet to fix the economy)
I would like to know your intentions also. I will buy the next expansion but unless a serious fix is put inplace and you explain what possible solutions you are coming up with and fix your coustermer service so that I don't get an automated responce to a valid question I won't be back anymore.
(It is sad though that I forsaw this, read some of my very old economic threads on here, but no one took me seriously and put their trust in ANet to fix the economy)
Old Dood
"EVERYONE is spamming the trade channels"
Don't forget the LOCAL Channel as well.
Don't forget the LOCAL Channel as well.
quanzong
I spam the emote channels by jumping 200 times waiting for a group in HoH.
Also whenever I goto Ascalon, and I see another warrior I say hows your weapon, then I use my spam on him.
Also whenever I goto Ascalon, and I see another warrior I say hows your weapon, then I use my spam on him.
Mormegil
Do we need heavy farmers? Everquest-like farmers? Do we need you to inflate the prices? Do we need you to brag about equipment and camp/exploit spots on the map over and over and over? No.
Guess what, reading the game's box you'll find interesting statements and I'd bet one of them goes like "you don't have to FARM YOUR FRIGGIN WAY TO PWN ALL THE SUXORZZZ AND BECOME 1337 AND SHOW EVERYONE HOW USELESS YOUR LIFE CAN BE".
Maybe not the exact words but something like that. I'm pretty sure.
Guess what, reading the game's box you'll find interesting statements and I'd bet one of them goes like "you don't have to FARM YOUR FRIGGIN WAY TO PWN ALL THE SUXORZZZ AND BECOME 1337 AND SHOW EVERYONE HOW USELESS YOUR LIFE CAN BE".
Maybe not the exact words but something like that. I'm pretty sure.
ether
If they really want to remove the grind and need to farm, they are doing it the wrong way. What they should do is INCREASE drop rates so everyone can get what they want and at the same time reduce prices.
That would also remove the market for botters..
That would also remove the market for botters..
suzumebachi
According to ANet we shouldn't have to farm period, but now that drops have been reduced, heavy farmers and botters are going to have an even greater advantage than before.
drizzt134
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Do we need heavy farmers? Everquest-like farmers? Do we need you to inflate the prices? Do we need you to brag about equipment and camp/exploit spots on the map over and over and over? No.
Guess what, reading the game's box you'll find interesting statements and I'd bet one of them goes like "you don't have to FARM YOUR FRIGGIN WAY TO PWN ALL THE SUXORZZZ AND BECOME 1337 AND SHOW EVERYONE HOW USELESS YOUR LIFE CAN BE". Maybe not the exact words but something like that. I'm pretty sure. |
/AGREED
Go ANet Go... And go home farmers
PieXags
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Do we need heavy farmers? Everquest-like farmers? Do we need you to inflate the prices? Do we need you to brag about equipment and camp/exploit spots on the map over and over and over? No.
Guess what, reading the game's box you'll find interesting statements and I'd bet one of them goes like "you don't have to FARM YOUR FRIGGIN WAY TO PWN ALL THE SUXORZZZ AND BECOME 1337 AND SHOW EVERYONE HOW USELESS YOUR LIFE CAN BE". Maybe not the exact words but something like that. I'm pretty sure. |
suzumebachi
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And how could I possibly inflate prices if I can't even afford enough steel for 1.5k platemail. God forbid I actually go kill stuff in order to obtain new armor, but ANet doesn't want us doing that unless we're willing to commit hours upon hours into doing so.
Aniewiel
I quote the box that each of you received when you bought the game:
Your Skill Will Be Your Legend
You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played, decides your fate. Whether battling horrific monsters or competing at the highest levels of tournament play, it will always be your skill that earns you victory or defeat.
I am no fan of farming and, at least according to this definition, farming is an exploit:
ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit)
tr.v. ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits (k-sploit, ksploit)
1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.
Farming is a form of exploitation. ANet has said over and over that the game is not dependent on items and that they will actively work to close loopholes, so-called farming areas and work to close down bot activity.
If it means that you have to do without uber and "leet" items, so be it. Employ your skill---like you're supposed to after all.
Your Skill Will Be Your Legend
You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played, decides your fate. Whether battling horrific monsters or competing at the highest levels of tournament play, it will always be your skill that earns you victory or defeat.
I am no fan of farming and, at least according to this definition, farming is an exploit:
ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit)
tr.v. ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits (k-sploit, ksploit)
1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.
Farming is a form of exploitation. ANet has said over and over that the game is not dependent on items and that they will actively work to close loopholes, so-called farming areas and work to close down bot activity.
If it means that you have to do without uber and "leet" items, so be it. Employ your skill---like you're supposed to after all.
Aniewiel
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If you started a new character now after this most recent update, you would not find 1 rare item between pre-searing and hell's precipace through normal play.
And how could I possibly inflate prices if I can't even afford enough steel for 1.5k platemail. God forbid I actually go kill stuff in order to obtain new armor, but ANet doesn't want us doing that unless we're willing to commit hours upon hours into doing so. |
As to prices? *shrugs* No one's forcing you to buy anything. And getting the best armors and such SHOULD be hard. But if you're not out there buying uber items and black dye, creating your own weapons is easy and gold collection happens. By the time you reach Droknar's you should have plenty of gold.
PieXags
Right, lord knows if you didn't need runes, weapon upgrades or anything else you had to buy they wouldn't have put FACTION for PvP characters. Why the hell do you think they did that? Because they needed a way to get them.
EmperorTippy
ANet has also say that farming is fine and allowed so long as it isn't botted.
Rulke
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If anyone from ANet ever reads this, I'd really like to know what their future intentions for Guild Wars are. It seems Guild Wars just took a HUGE turn for the worse. ANet says they want to discourage grinding, and yet they reduce drops from all monsters SIGNIFICANTLY, thusly making heavy grinding the ONLY viable way to get better weapons, etc, while taking out more than half the fun of the game for PvE players. This isn't all they have done to hinder the PvE experience. Now all those rare materials and dyes you worked so hard for are worth absolutely nothing, unless you wish to spend hours spamming the trade channels which only multiplies the grind. And since the NPCs will no longer pay fair prices for materials, dyes, or runes, EVERYONE is spamming the trade channels in a vain attempt to sell their items.
Now here's to a blind hope that this is all in preparation for something BETTER that's in the works. I'll try to remain hopeful for as long as I can, but you'd think that if they were doing this in order to augment some new system, they would WAIT until that system was ready before unleashing the communist hounds and utterly destroying the in-game economy, or ruining PvE by making it impossible to make money or find good items for your characters to use. I await your response, ANet. Sincerely, Wolfgang Dietrich |
They should not focus on nerfing all the farming spots, as they are now. Instead, they should be making it such that there is no need for farming, not making it impossible, by increasing the frequency of drops.
Failing that, they should leave the drops the same, but put very hard monsters in the popular farming spots that makes it more of a challenge, rather than a waste of time.
The fact that there are many threads like this suggest something is wrong, and that the devs should take note.
suzumebachi
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So what if you CAN'T find a rare or unique item? Big deal! You can salvage upgrade items out of the things you do find and what's to say that you can't beat the game without them in the first place?
As to prices? *shrugs* No one's forcing you to buy anything. And getting the best armors and such SHOULD be hard. But if you're not out there buying uber items and black dye, creating your own weapons is easy and gold collection happens. By the time you reach Droknar's you should have plenty of gold. |
Either way, this update screws new players, and gives botters more bang for their buck. Like mentioned previously, in order to combat farming, they should be giving MORE drops through normal play. If people didn't have to farm to be able to buy decent armor, I'm sure a much smaller number of people would be farming in the first place.
Also, I've yet to find a so called "uber" or "leet" weapon, and I've "beaten the game" twice now. My problem is.. what comes after beating the game? Since "farming" is so "unethical," what are we supposed to do to get the esteemed FoW armor? Tell me please.
Mormegil
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And how could I possibly inflate prices if I can't even afford enough steel for 1.5k platemail. God forbid I actually go kill stuff in order to obtain new armor, but ANet doesn't want us doing that unless we're willing to commit hours upon hours into doing so.
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Besides, you'll read everywhere that nerfing drops has DAMAGED botters, it didn't encourage them.
asdar
What in the world are you after? 15k armor in every color maybe?
It's just not that hard to get anything in this game. I've never farmed and I've sold 1 single item for 5k and that's it. I've got 2 characters done and a third getting closer.
Now you can GvG and unlock any item for PvP as well.
There's just no need to have more gold in this game and I'm glad they're toning it down. I've given away at least a dozen, probably closer to 3 dozen max dmg gold weapons. I've got what I think is the best monk wand with 3 different ankh's, one 20/20 with dmg, one with armor and HP and one with more energy but a negative energy regen that I almost never use.
I can understand the PvP players that don't GvG being a bit upset but I can't understand PvE being upset about this. What area in PvE do you need the gold for? I've never gotten less than 1k worth of merchant stuff from UW.
I'm not that bright, if it's so easy for me then how is it so difficult for you that you're thinking of quitting over it?
What, you want 100k on 4 different characters and 10 sigils each?
I'm glad for the changes they made. Now if they'll just focus on getting the free areas out, hopefully with even more challenging enemies, and more casters included.
It's just not that hard to get anything in this game. I've never farmed and I've sold 1 single item for 5k and that's it. I've got 2 characters done and a third getting closer.
Now you can GvG and unlock any item for PvP as well.
There's just no need to have more gold in this game and I'm glad they're toning it down. I've given away at least a dozen, probably closer to 3 dozen max dmg gold weapons. I've got what I think is the best monk wand with 3 different ankh's, one 20/20 with dmg, one with armor and HP and one with more energy but a negative energy regen that I almost never use.
I can understand the PvP players that don't GvG being a bit upset but I can't understand PvE being upset about this. What area in PvE do you need the gold for? I've never gotten less than 1k worth of merchant stuff from UW.
I'm not that bright, if it's so easy for me then how is it so difficult for you that you're thinking of quitting over it?
What, you want 100k on 4 different characters and 10 sigils each?
I'm glad for the changes they made. Now if they'll just focus on getting the free areas out, hopefully with even more challenging enemies, and more casters included.
Esprit
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Theos
I agree that the drops are really sucky right now (see FoW and UW) but I don't agree with the approach everyone wants to take. If we have insane drops ratios then those who bot will still become filthy rich by just selling their now over abundant stock to simple merchants and noobs who A.) don't change thier price and can offer over 300 for a crappy item, B.) Don't really know any better and/or can't help it. Though they would make less money farmers and bots will still prosper more than Average Joe. I guess its just unavoidable. Though this is only my opinion, so give me enough to shake my idea and I will change it, but right now the fixes aproach seems questionable.
(This is a Quickly Though Up Idea)If you really want to be able to farm then Anet should make some specific farming areas where at the end of your farming experience you get to keep only X of the items you actually farmed, ratios would change if it were a material (so material will be say 5X). Guess what this idea will totally f*** over bots and they will gain nothing more than Average Joe. To enter the areas the game could demand money or certain things, perhaps a redoable FUN quest that alters due to class and gets harder (to a point) the more you do it. (but not items as we know what can happen with this).
So thats a quick idea but I like so comment on it. As for not getting more than one rare from pre to hell's, that doesn't matter because on your journey you will run into hundreds of upgrades and many will be good or on par with any rare you may get. This will ultimatly allow you to have A personally customized super weapon, or atleast something you can be happy with.
(This is a Quickly Though Up Idea)If you really want to be able to farm then Anet should make some specific farming areas where at the end of your farming experience you get to keep only X of the items you actually farmed, ratios would change if it were a material (so material will be say 5X). Guess what this idea will totally f*** over bots and they will gain nothing more than Average Joe. To enter the areas the game could demand money or certain things, perhaps a redoable FUN quest that alters due to class and gets harder (to a point) the more you do it. (but not items as we know what can happen with this).
So thats a quick idea but I like so comment on it. As for not getting more than one rare from pre to hell's, that doesn't matter because on your journey you will run into hundreds of upgrades and many will be good or on par with any rare you may get. This will ultimatly allow you to have A personally customized super weapon, or atleast something you can be happy with.
PieXags
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What in the world are you after? 15k armor in every color maybe?
It's just not that hard to get anything in this game. I've never farmed and I've sold 1 single item for 5k and that's it. I've got 2 characters done and a third getting closer. Now you can GvG and unlock any item for PvP as well. There's just no need to have more gold in this game and I'm glad they're toning it down. I've given away at least a dozen, probably closer to 3 dozen max dmg gold weapons. I've got what I think is the best monk wand with 3 different ankh's, one 20/20 with dmg, one with armor and HP and one with more energy but a negative energy regen that I almost never use. I can understand the PvP players that don't GvG being a bit upset but I can't understand PvE being upset about this. What area in PvE do you need the gold for? I've never gotten less than 1k worth of merchant stuff from UW. I'm not that bright, if it's so easy for me then how is it so difficult for you that you're thinking of quitting over it? What, you want 100k on 4 different characters and 10 sigils each? I'm glad for the changes they made. Now if they'll just focus on getting the free areas out, hopefully with even more challenging enemies, and more casters included. |
"I think a lot of people are missing the point of these threads we've got going. We aren't angry because we don't have the most 1337 ub3|2 weapons in the game, we're angry because we used to enjoy WORKING for something. See I personally have BEATEN the game...4 times. What the hell do I do now?
There is NOTHING else for me to do except PvP...which I don't find entertaining at all being that everything is so small scale and relatively meaningless/without reward, so I try to get what I can out of PvE now.
I need ONE more superior vigor to complete the rune set for my last character, I have a total of 4k having bought everything for 3 characters. What am I supposed to do now? I can't get enough money for that if I tried for hours on end. Am I supposed to just move to another game now? Should I really just have to say "Yeah ok GW is empty now" and move on? That's just...dumb. They put the more expensive optional items in there for people like me who need a more lasting appeal to the game, but if I have no hope of affording them...why bother?
That's why we want farming back, not because we want to be 1337 h4x0r5 but because without it the game is empty and finished, with no hopes of reaching the final goals otherwise there's no point to continue without it."
suzumebachi
No need for more gold? How about gold period? "15k armor in every color".. how about ONE BLOODY SET. I can't even afford that, and I've got 300+ hours logged.
Also: Have you ever stopped to think that maybe not all players enjoy PvP or GvG?
"I've never gotten less than 1k worth of merchant stuff from UW."- Have you been to UW recently? For that matter, have you even PLAYED the game since the update?
Also: Have you ever stopped to think that maybe not all players enjoy PvP or GvG?
"I've never gotten less than 1k worth of merchant stuff from UW."- Have you been to UW recently? For that matter, have you even PLAYED the game since the update?
Mumblyfish
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Then what is the point on having such a variety of different rares available? And to those who buy the game after these updates, how can they compete (in PVP) with those who do have nice rares? Using your skill has its limits.
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suzumebachi
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They can compete because free items (from collectors) far outclass rare items in competitive play.
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Mormegil
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with the reduced number of drops, it'd take probably several weeks of "normal play" in order to find enough collectors items to trade.
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suzumebachi
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No you wouldn't. Their drop rate is fairly high.
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Theos
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I agree that the drops are really sucky right now (see FoW and UW) but I don't agree with the approach everyone wants to take. If we have insane drops ratios then those who bot will still become filthy rich by just selling their now over abundant stock to simple merchants and noobs who A.) don't change thier price and can offer over 300 for a crappy item, B.) Don't really know any better and/or can't help it. Though they would make less money farmers and bots will still prosper more than Average Joe. I guess its just unavoidable. Though this is only my opinion, so give me enough to shake my idea and I will change it, but right now the fixes aproach seems questionable.
(This is a Quickly Though Up Idea)If you really want to be able to farm then Anet should make some specific farming areas where at the end of your farming experience you get to keep only X of the items you actually farmed, ratios would change if it were a material (so material will be say 5X). Guess what this idea will totally f*** over bots and they will gain nothing more than Average Joe. To enter the areas the game could demand money or certain things, perhaps a redoable FUN quest that alters due to class and gets harder (to a point) the more you do it. (but not items as we know what can happen with this). So thats a quick idea but I like so comment on it. As for not getting more than one rare from pre to hell's, that doesn't matter because on your journey you will run into hundreds of upgrades and many will be good or on par with any rare you may get. This will ultimatly allow you to have A personally customized super weapon, or atleast something you can be happy with. |
PieXags
Yeah I'm with Emperor on this one, I got the petition going (and it's going nicely I'll say ) in the Sanitarium, I've said my points several times, each time they're overlooked. People are missing the point, we don't care about "having the greatest runes or items" I care about having more to do in the game. There is nothing else for me but to go for my last few sets of armor, or the fissure armor even. I can't buy the last weapon upgrades I wanted, or my last superior vigor to finalize and complete my beloved characters. It's as simple as that. Until I can do that I've beaten the game and there's nothing more to do. PvP is too drab, too small, there's NO point to it at all...it's just little tiny meaningless skirmishes that award you with nothing more than words saying you won. So I tried to farm and work towards a goal, the last things I needed in the game. If I'm unable to do that in any sense. There's no more reason to play the game, and I'd hate to have to seperate from GW until the next expansion because I can't afford to hit my goals.
Well I haven't slept since the update, but it's breakfast time so I'm going to do that. I'd say we got the ball rolling pretty damn well, I need to pull out for a bit before it turns out like that "negative comments about the update" thread a while back that was like 30 pages long of the same points overlooked and repeated.
Cheers.
) in the Sanitarium, I've said my points several times, each time they're overlooked. People are missing the point, we don't care about "having the greatest runes or items" I care about having more to do in the game. There is nothing else for me but to go for my last few sets of armor, or the fissure armor even. I can't buy the last weapon upgrades I wanted, or my last superior vigor to finalize and complete my beloved characters. It's as simple as that. Until I can do that I've beaten the game and there's nothing more to do. PvP is too drab, too small, there's NO point to it at all...it's just little tiny meaningless skirmishes that award you with nothing more than words saying you won. So I tried to farm and work towards a goal, the last things I needed in the game. If I'm unable to do that in any sense. There's no more reason to play the game, and I'd hate to have to seperate from GW until the next expansion because I can't afford to hit my goals.Well I haven't slept since the update, but it's breakfast time so I'm going to do that. I'd say we got the ball rolling pretty damn well, I need to pull out for a bit before it turns out like that "negative comments about the update" thread a while back that was like 30 pages long of the same points overlooked and repeated.
Cheers.
EmperorTippy
/rant
Gods I have given up on this thread. The people who can't grast a simple concept are awake. It is time to sleep. If this thread has returened to intelligent conversation were I don't have to reiterate the same point 50 million times for you to understand it I may return. Hell I even gave you people numbers in one post about how the update reduced buying power. I have explained how this doesn't hurt anywell extablished players. How the only person really hurt at least for a long time is the new player. I have explained how the PvPers still make money. (and so have others) I have explained how the runners make money. I have explained how this will ruin the economy and make it worse and you still can't get it.
/ends rant
(I have got like 4 posts asking for explanations on these things)
Gods I have given up on this thread. The people who can't grast a simple concept are awake. It is time to sleep. If this thread has returened to intelligent conversation were I don't have to reiterate the same point 50 million times for you to understand it I may return. Hell I even gave you people numbers in one post about how the update reduced buying power. I have explained how this doesn't hurt anywell extablished players. How the only person really hurt at least for a long time is the new player. I have explained how the PvPers still make money. (and so have others) I have explained how the runners make money. I have explained how this will ruin the economy and make it worse and you still can't get it.
/ends rant
(I have got like 4 posts asking for explanations on these things)
cup-o-noodles
I don't think some of the people against this thread really get it. We're not complaining becuase we can't get sup3rly U13er 1337 items. We're complaining becuase we can't get anything at all. If you want to play this game to it's fullest then you have to spend money. Money on identification kits and salvage kits, and money on armour.(i'm supposed to face lvl20+ monsters with the armour I started with?!?!) And you can hardly even get money now. So it's not like wah wah wah, i can't pwnzor this monster. It's holy crap i can hardly get through the game.
Mumblyfish
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I ask again, have you even PLAYED since the last update?
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NiGht_HaWk
I still dont get why people LIKE to farm. I am not an advocate for farming, and i never will. All farming is is another form of GRIND. Basically you are grinding, killing all the monsters in hopes of getting gold or items. Who likes grind?
I dont find it hard at all to get gold and items. If you just play through the game and have fun with it, you will get all the items you need. I think the problem is is that people want to best 15k armor all black NOW and they think the update is hindering them from getting that.
I like the update in that it discourages farmers because now it will take a longer to get good items and gold. Why would you have created this thread if you were not disappointed that you couldnt farm anymore?
I think many of you are just looking at the situation in a different perspective as to what ANet was looking at it.
I dont find it hard at all to get gold and items. If you just play through the game and have fun with it, you will get all the items you need. I think the problem is is that people want to best 15k armor all black NOW and they think the update is hindering them from getting that.
I like the update in that it discourages farmers because now it will take a longer to get good items and gold. Why would you have created this thread if you were not disappointed that you couldnt farm anymore?
I think many of you are just looking at the situation in a different perspective as to what ANet was looking at it.
Theos
People will find away to turn it into exactly that, its just human nature to piss the other people off, hence why wars occur :P . I am off to breakfast as well, though unlike you I have slept :P .
Theos
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I still dont get why people LIKE to farm. I am not an advocate for farming, and i never will. All farming is is another form of GRIND. Basically you are grinding, killing all the monsters in hopes of getting gold or items. Who likes grind?
I dont find it hard at all to get gold and items. If you just play through the game and have fun with it, you will get all the items you need. I think the problem is is that people want to best 15k armor all black NOW and they think the update is hindering them from getting that. I like the update in that it discourages farmers because now it will take a longer to get good items and gold. Why would you have created this thread if you were not disappointed that you couldnt farm anymore? I think many of you are just looking at the situation in a different perspective as to what ANet was looking at it. |
EmperorTippy
Add an update were Faction is nerfed not increased and see how you all like it. You essential were given more drops because of more faction while the PvEers were given drasticaly decreased drops.
Gaile Gray has said that FARMING IS FINE its botting thats bad.
With the new update just playing through the game nets you about a third of the gold that you used to get for it. This combined with the decreased buying power of your gold because of the economic 'fixes' is what causes the problem.
Gaile Gray has said that FARMING IS FINE its botting thats bad.
With the new update just playing through the game nets you about a third of the gold that you used to get for it. This combined with the decreased buying power of your gold because of the economic 'fixes' is what causes the problem.
suzumebachi
Ok so maybe increasing drops wouldn't help. But decreasing them certainly doesn't help either. What was attainable through normal play yesterday is only attainable through farming today. :/
Well... actually.. here's an idea: A while back when they made the first big farming nerf they said that drops would gradually decrease when an area is being heavily farmed. I'm wondering if:
A) they changed it so that if an area is being farmed, the drop rate is affected GLOBALLY, not just for the player(s) farming it.
B) something broke and now all areas are marked as being "heavily farmed" and so drop rates everywhere have been affected.
In any case, I have an idea for a solution: balance out the drop rate decrease. Say when you first enter an area, drops are plentiful. But the more stuff you kill, the less stuff drops. After 3 or 4 runs in an area (when I say area, I mean region, ie: Crystal Desert, Southern Shiverpeaks, Ring of Fire, etc) killing all creatures, the drops should be reduced to where they are now, possibly a little less. Over time, the drops would gradually increase back to normal. This should NOT affect drops globally, as this would ruin the drops for other players who do not farm.
And to those who say farming is "unethical": every time you go to FoW or UW, you do realize that you are essentially farming. Farming for XP, obsidian, etc.
Well... actually.. here's an idea: A while back when they made the first big farming nerf they said that drops would gradually decrease when an area is being heavily farmed. I'm wondering if:
A) they changed it so that if an area is being farmed, the drop rate is affected GLOBALLY, not just for the player(s) farming it.
B) something broke and now all areas are marked as being "heavily farmed" and so drop rates everywhere have been affected.
In any case, I have an idea for a solution: balance out the drop rate decrease. Say when you first enter an area, drops are plentiful. But the more stuff you kill, the less stuff drops. After 3 or 4 runs in an area (when I say area, I mean region, ie: Crystal Desert, Southern Shiverpeaks, Ring of Fire, etc) killing all creatures, the drops should be reduced to where they are now, possibly a little less. Over time, the drops would gradually increase back to normal. This should NOT affect drops globally, as this would ruin the drops for other players who do not farm.
And to those who say farming is "unethical": every time you go to FoW or UW, you do realize that you are essentially farming. Farming for XP, obsidian, etc.
Mumblyfish
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...but what about those nice armours and things waiting for them in draknor's and beyond?
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Dax
I haven't played since the last update, but I've always thought that the monsters drop rate was way too high, but most of the stuff is pretty useless unless even scavenging it.
The ironic thing is if its harder to get items, hardcore farmers will just farm longer hours...hence there will be more of a grind.
Methinks I better start playing to see what is up
The ironic thing is if its harder to get items, hardcore farmers will just farm longer hours...hence there will be more of a grind.
Methinks I better start playing to see what is up
Theos
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Originally Posted by suzumebachi
Ok so maybe increasing drops wouldn't help. But decreasing them certainly doesn't help either. What was attainable through normal play yesterday is only attainable through farming today. :/
Well... actually.. here's an idea: A while back when they made the first big farming nerf they said that drops would gradually decrease when an area is being heavily farmed. I'm wondering if: A) they changed it so that if an area is being farmed, the drop rate is affected GLOBALLY, not just for the player(s) farming it. B) something broke and now all areas are marked as being "heavily farmed" and so drop rates everywhere have been affected. In any case, I have an idea for a solution: balance out the drop rate decrease. Say when you first enter an area, drops are plentiful. But the more stuff you kill, the less stuff drops. After 3 or 4 runs in an area (when I say area, I mean region, ie: Crystal Desert, Southern Shiverpeaks, Ring of Fire, etc) killing all creatures, the drops should be reduced to where they are now, possibly a little less. Over time, the drops would gradually increase back to normal. This should NOT affect drops globally, as this would ruin the drops for other players who do not farm. And to those who say farming is "unethical": every time you go to FoW or UW, you do realize that you are essentially farming. Farming for XP, obsidian, etc. |
suzumebachi
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Originally Posted by NiGht_HaWk
I still dont get why people LIKE to farm. I am not an advocate for farming, and i never will. All farming is is another form of GRIND. Basically you are grinding, killing all the monsters in hopes of getting gold or items. Who likes grind?
I dont find it hard at all to get gold and items. If you just play through the game and have fun with it, you will get all the items you need. I think the problem is is that people want to best 15k armor all black NOW and they think the update is hindering them from getting that. I like the update in that it discourages farmers because now it will take a longer to get good items and gold. Why would you have created this thread if you were not disappointed that you couldnt farm anymore? I think many of you are just looking at the situation in a different perspective as to what ANet was looking at it. |