Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it? Also, we talk about Warrior as primary profession. If he/she has a secondary profession, would it complement better?
Primary warrior class has an advantage often overlooked: they could be content with only a few critical skill slots. So the warrior could use a few more skill slots for his secondary profession. That's where the warrior is dangerous.
Warrior Pride
Lorelei
Thrysta Edocsil
I say the Warriors rebel. If anyone from no one gives me any shit about being a warrior I will /sit just to piss them off. I dont go around saying M0nkS c4n7 74k3 m3 or stuff like that. It just seems warriors get most of the grief.
Phades
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Originally Posted by Lorelei
Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it? Also, we talk about Warrior as primary profession. If he/she has a secondary profession, would it complement better?
Primary warrior class has an advantage often overlooked: they could be content with only a few critical skill slots. So the warrior could use a few more skill slots for his secondary profession. That's where the warrior is dangerous. |
Celes Tial
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Originally Posted by Lorelei
Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it?
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GranDeWun
I play several classes, so I agree W damage is weak. But, in the random arenas, at least, the W ability to tank is not totally useless in the sense that if the match drags on, the W ability to keep putting out damage over time can be an asset. One other note: All Ws should carry an interrupting attack. Savage Slash, Disrupting Chop, whatever.
If I see a single issue that *might* need tweaking, it is the W vulnerability to Blindness. I'd settle for a stance that had no benefits other than making me immune to Blindness.
If I see a single issue that *might* need tweaking, it is the W vulnerability to Blindness. I'd settle for a stance that had no benefits other than making me immune to Blindness.
rickhunterx
i think that warriors are great but need to be tactically specialized, your secondary can make quite effective. for example, a warrior ranger possible could do some awesome damage with the strength (adding armor pen) the piercing damage from the bow and the bow skills mixed with the armor bonus of the warrior .....anyways u need a good combo of skills because theres no more *tanking* in PvP, everyone knows to avoid teh tank first and kill the casters....well thats just my opinon anyway lol (looks at the death count he has from PvP with his warrior/mo 
lmao)
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Dumachum
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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost
I like warriors becuase they're the class people run from.
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Usually when a dozen or so mobs are running after the warrior.
Exar
Its all about W/Mo, they suck and they are common.
I play W/E, i use conjure, immolation and offensive skills and dont use any def/heal skills.
Yes I die sometimes - but I can deal a serious amount of dmg.
And if I kill you fast you cant kill me.
I go against anticasters mainly, but against warrs i can deal a serious dmg too.
Cons : Im dependant on teammates (healers especially) but its TEAM anyway.
In pvp you are not meant to play alone. thats the philosophy.
Tanking makes your life longer. Killing makes your foe's life shorter.
1 Berserker Stance. (built adrenaline, then)
2 Severe Artery ( <<< )
3 Immolation (even more <<< )
4 Gash (wound )
5 Savage Stash (disrupter )
6 Final (to leave no hope with 100 hp hit)
7 Cojure (to add some dmg points + i dont have to worry about blade bonus for 60 secs, thats a loong time - (+15% while enchanted)
8 Sprint (to get to you)
Cheers
Edit: Im writing about pvp here of course.
I play W/E, i use conjure, immolation and offensive skills and dont use any def/heal skills.
Yes I die sometimes - but I can deal a serious amount of dmg.
And if I kill you fast you cant kill me.
I go against anticasters mainly, but against warrs i can deal a serious dmg too.
Cons : Im dependant on teammates (healers especially) but its TEAM anyway.
In pvp you are not meant to play alone. thats the philosophy.
Tanking makes your life longer. Killing makes your foe's life shorter.
1 Berserker Stance. (built adrenaline, then)
2 Severe Artery ( <<< )
3 Immolation (even more <<< )
4 Gash (wound )
5 Savage Stash (disrupter )
6 Final (to leave no hope with 100 hp hit)
7 Cojure (to add some dmg points + i dont have to worry about blade bonus for 60 secs, thats a loong time - (+15% while enchanted)
8 Sprint (to get to you)
Cheers
Edit: Im writing about pvp here of course.
generik
Actually.. an experience I had with a party on Perdition rock did "awaken" me to this truth about warriors..
Traditionally, everyone seems to have a mindset that we MUST have warriors.
In that party (it was a skill cap run), it is like 4 mesmers, 2 eles, and the 2 hench healers.. and guess what? We cleared the island way faster than I've ever done before with majority warrior teams.
All those hex/conditions/nukes do count for something, if anything...
Traditionally, everyone seems to have a mindset that we MUST have warriors.
In that party (it was a skill cap run), it is like 4 mesmers, 2 eles, and the 2 hench healers.. and guess what? We cleared the island way faster than I've ever done before with majority warrior teams.
All those hex/conditions/nukes do count for something, if anything...
Wolfhound
Since when? I've been playing the game since the betas and in PvE the mobs always go after the soft squishy casters at the rear (normally the monk first, then elementalist, then Mesmer). The only time they don't is when the warrior can intercept them.
Algren Cole
I LOVE the warrior... Hunters Shot + Pin Down + Throw Dirt + Poison or Kindle Arrow = warrior pwnage.
it's always fun to watch a tiny little ranger beating the crap out of this big hulking mass while he swings wildly at thin air
warriors are great for PvE...I'd hate to have to be the tank....PvP they're essentially useless
it's always fun to watch a tiny little ranger beating the crap out of this big hulking mass while he swings wildly at thin air
warriors are great for PvE...I'd hate to have to be the tank....PvP they're essentially useless
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69
i have had no problems as a warrior, and i love them. its almost necassary for any HoH group to have 1 (im always the only one for my groups). we can knock ppl down, or with axes we can go crazy on ppl with the right skills and buffs. i think a warrior can do great damage, and i can kill a caster in only a few seconds
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lmao dude you need to play a bit more
come back when you have reached draknors forge and we can talk more and the only way you are killing me is if i sac 80% health and go AFK for 3 minutes :P
Van the Warrior
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I LOVE the warrior... Hunters Shot + Pin Down + Throw Dirt + Poison or Kindle Arrow = warrior pwnage.
it's always fun to watch a tiny little ranger beating the crap out of this big hulking mass while he swings wildly at thin air warriors are great for PvE...I'd hate to have to be the tank....PvP they're essentially useless |
try killing a warrior when u cant do any of that stuff to them only noob warriors get pwned by rangers who use those moves
KvanCetre
I haven't bothered to read this thread - too much misinformation
All I have to say is: Try telling it to my hammer warrior who tears apart monks in no time.
I had to change over to warriors in random yesterday...a huge influx of mesmers(my normal Random Arena class) who had no idea what they were doing were easy pickins..
Yes, backfire my warrior... thank you, now fall down, go boom.
All I have to say is: Try telling it to my hammer warrior who tears apart monks in no time.
I had to change over to warriors in random yesterday...a huge influx of mesmers(my normal Random Arena class) who had no idea what they were doing were easy pickins..
Yes, backfire my warrior... thank you, now fall down, go boom.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
try killing a warrior when u cant do any of that stuff to them only noob warriors get pwned by rangers who use those moves
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wouldn't it be more benefitial to the thread to post how you'd counter....rather than inflating your e-ego by saying "only noob warriors blah blah blah".....
Van the Warrior
its called mend ailment very spammable and the right warrior never runs out of energy due to bonneti smart guy
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
its called mend ailment very spammable and the right warrior never runs out of energy due to bonneti smart guy
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I <3 warriors like you....they got that elite attitude...think they're actually good at the game. it's fun to take out warriors like you.
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by BigTru
My Warrior can deal as much damage as any other class (save Elementalists). Mabey you just weren't any good with Warrior when you tried it?
They don't shut down, but they can stop the foe from doing anything (which includes running/using signet/casting spells. Similiar, but not the same thing). Besides, we do more damage when we are knocking down than a mesmer that is shutting down. Didn't know I had to heal others. I do when I knock them down and kill them. And mabey you are playing with crappy warriors? There are plenty of ways to remove hexes. Furthermore, Distortion (which lasts for 5 seconds) can be countered by "Warrior's Cunning". Not exactly my stregnth, but I've done it before. If your telling me you are playing a uber class that can take down anything that is specificaly designed to counter your build, you are a horrible liar. I can remove the blind, but mabey you should see above? Besides, I thought nobody attacked Warriors first? Fair enough, but mabey you should see what I said about Earth Eles? The funny thing is, I do. I can easily kill a monk by going through one round of knockdowns. If I specialize in damage, I can kill them quite eassily, too. Don't make me laugh. Conditions are easily removed. Meh... Most people in the tombs are specificaly designed to take down casters, anyways. Purge Condition, Antidote Signet, Plague Sending, etc. Really, conditions are ridiculously easy to remove. Almost every class has a way of removing them. Skills You Should Know Warrior: Swift Chop, Irresistable Blow, "I Will Survive", Griffon Sweep, Warrior's Cunning, Wild Blow Monk: Contemplation of Purity, Purge Conditions, Purge Signet, Remove Hex, Convert Hexes, Mend Ailment, Mend Condition, Restore Condition, Smite Hex Necromancer: Plague Sending, Plague Signet, Plague Touch Anyways, I didn't make this thread so that everyone could rush in and give their flames to warriors and tell us about how much our profession sucks and how we're useless in PvP. If you must, please create a thread about flaming Warriors instead of highjacking my thread. Thanks. |
umm yo uwant to tell me where you are goign to get yoru energy from to do all this??
please man i know you are proud of what you do and you should be but the simple truth is any caster worth his salt is gonna smoke you 1v1. it does not mean he is better than you it just mens his character is stronger
that is the way the game is set up yo have no control over it.
so deal with it and have fun playing
sino-soviet
I don't know where this information is coming from. Easily countered? Somewhat. But low damage? I think not. I dare those who criticize warrior damage to run a build with battle rage, and solely adrenaline axe attacks and damage buffs. Not low damage anymore.
On the other hand, sword warriors are comparatively weaker in pvp, I think.
And Van, just stop while you are ahe...erm...behind. I agree with Agren Cole 100% about warriors being suscetible to easy counters and crippling conditions. But anyone who criticizes warriors and talking about their low damage is just plain ignorant.
On the other hand, sword warriors are comparatively weaker in pvp, I think.
And Van, just stop while you are ahe...erm...behind. I agree with Agren Cole 100% about warriors being suscetible to easy counters and crippling conditions. But anyone who criticizes warriors and talking about their low damage is just plain ignorant.
Van the Warrior
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I <3 warriors like you....they got that elite attitude...think they're actually good at the game. it's fun to take out warriors like you.
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lol you think im an elitist
toe to toe vs a warrior the moves you listed wouldnt hurt them and yeah 5 plat says you fight against W/Mo with their secondary set to the Healing Attribute, try fighting against a protection warrior who can completly heal himself and not sustain any damage whatsoever its gonna be funny when all you can depend on is the dot from your poison which will be healed FAST and yeah a Sword/Protect warrior can completly heal himself conditions/health very well
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
try killing a warrior when u cant do any of that stuff to them only noob warriors get pwned by rangers who use those moves
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i will let yo choose any of my three characters. N/Mo, El/Me and R/W you choose which one you want to fight and i will show you either that you are a noob, or that most of what casters have posted here is true
Van the Warrior
id love to do that because not all warriors are noobs they dont succumb to making idiot pvp templates
salja Wachi
i did not call you a noob, you said that a warrior who gets beaten by a ranger is a noob.
so i am gonna show you
so i am gonna show you
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
lol you think im an elitist
toe to toe vs a warrior the moves you listed wouldnt hurt them and yeah 5 plat says you fight against W/Mo with their secondary set to the Healing Attribute, try fighting against a protection warrior who can completly heal himself and not sustain any damage whatsoever its gonna be funny when all you can depend on is the dot from your poison which will be healed FAST and yeah a Sword/Protect warrior can completly heal himself conditions/health very well |
and when I hit you repeatadly with Choking Gas and Tigers Fury so that you can't cast....how is your secondary protection prayer going to help you?
I posted what was needed to take down 90% of the warriors playing this game in arenas....the other 10% are certainly better at the game....but they still have little chance against a caster or a ranger.
sino-soviet
Van, just stop while you are ahe...erm...behind. I agree with Agren Cole 100% about warriors being susceptible to easy counters and crippling conditions. But anyone who criticizes warriors and talking about their low damage is just plain ignorant.
Van the Warrior
easy because they are 3/4 spells liek i said not all warriros are noobs
sino-soviet
what the heck are you talking about? Stop your 1337 typing speed and slow down there.
Van the Warrior
mend ailment
shielding hands
shield of regeneration
those cant be stopped unless you use diversion
shielding hands
shield of regeneration
those cant be stopped unless you use diversion
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
mend ailment
shielding hands shield of regeneration those cant be stopped unless you use diversion |
lol those can be interrupted just like any other spell. rangers have tons of interrupts.
i know you are proud of being a warrior and that is a good thing, however warriors are not THE MOST UBER LEET CLASS THERE IS and can be very easily taken out.
sino-soviet
I don't know about you, but I sure would NOT sacrifice three skill bars and so much damage just to be able to be self suffiicient. That is not a warriors role in pvp and it never will be. Mend ailment? Please. If you have suck a poor healer that you cannot rely on you should be playing pvp period.
Now, if you were talking about 1v1 combat vs Agren's ranger, sure. mend ailment would help.
Now, if you were talking about 1v1 combat vs Agren's ranger, sure. mend ailment would help.
KvanCetre
I just cry when I see W/Mo
PvP Sword
PvP Shield
And you ask them to call targets and they say "What do you want me to do? I'll tank"
PvP Sword
PvP Shield
And you ask them to call targets and they say "What do you want me to do? I'll tank"
Van the Warrior
thats what im talking about
sino-soviet
I am a warrior/ele, I dont see what a wa/mo has over a wa/mo in pvp. Seriously people, wa/mo's may own the ascalon arena, but in any other scenario, I would take a wa/ele. Van, for the sake of being understandable, please eloborate and relate your thoughts so I can understand. Thanks.
Mistress Dasha
while the people are conditioning the war and the war removes it they recondition n so on.. bam the warrior is taking out one of the opponents.. the warrior is keeping him busy with putting conditions on and if more than one person is tryin to make a warrior useless what else are they doing.........?
Van the Warrior
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Originally Posted by Mistress Dasha
ahh but Malchiel while the people are conditioning the war and the war removes it they recondition n so on.. bam the warrior is taking out one of the opponents.. the warrior is keeping him busy with putting conditions on and if more than one person is tryin to make a warrior useless what else are they doing.........?
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salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mistress Dasha
ahh but Malchiel while the people are conditioning the war and the war removes it they recondition n so on.. bam the warrior is taking out one of the opponents.. the warrior is keeping him busy with putting conditions on and if more than one person is tryin to make a warrior useless what else are they doing.........?
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only takes 1 person with 2 spells to make the warrior useless (and that is being generous since most warriors are useless before they even log in) :P
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
only takes 1 person with 2 spells to make the warrior useless (and that is being generous since most warriors are useless before they even log in) :P
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rofl...it's so true. I fought in the arena last night before we went UW....I trapped right underneath my feet a flame a barb and a dust...then hit the warrior with a poison arrow...he charged me right onto my traps. I laughed for like 3 minutes
sino-soviet
Easier way than that. Blinding flash. GG. I think blindness and weakness ought to be nerfed, its just ridiculous. A caster has to be dazed to be taken care of, which is rather hard to apply. A warrior needs to be hit with a spell and its over.
Mistress Dasha
ok so the warrior is still taking out one of the opponents form doing harm to one of his friends as in the warrior is saying hey here I am if I get close to you or your friends I will hurt them..
bah all this hate... ya well those stupid umm rangers umm casting umm traps ummm suck umm ya... and that umm necro is umm stupid umm ya look at me Im better than you ya umm look at me..
that is all I hear.. and yet I will wait for another stupid person to post more instances were they bested a warrior.. and when a warrior posts about besting another class its because the other class was a noob and the warrior was lucky he didnt plan anything..
I consent to all non warriors becasue im to stupid to realize I lack the skills to take out someone who is designed to stop warriors.. bah rediculous...
bah all this hate... ya well those stupid umm rangers umm casting umm traps ummm suck umm ya... and that umm necro is umm stupid umm ya look at me Im better than you ya umm look at me..
that is all I hear.. and yet I will wait for another stupid person to post more instances were they bested a warrior.. and when a warrior posts about besting another class its because the other class was a noob and the warrior was lucky he didnt plan anything..
I consent to all non warriors becasue im to stupid to realize I lack the skills to take out someone who is designed to stop warriors.. bah rediculous...
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mistress Dasha
ok so the warrior is still taking out one of the opponents form doing harm to one of his friends as in the warrior is saying hey here I am if I get close to you or your friends I will hurt them..
bah all this hate... ya well those stupid umm rangers umm casting umm traps ummm suck umm ya... and that umm necro is umm stupid umm ya look at me Im better than you ya umm look at me.. that is all I hear.. and yet I will wait for another stupid person to post more instances were they bested a warrior.. and when a warrior posts about besting another class its because the other class was a noob and the warrior was lucky he didnt plan anything.. I consent to all non warriors becasue im to stupid to realize I lack the skills to take out someone who is designed to stop warriors.. bah rediculous... |
lol no one is saying that yo fall into the catagory of useless before you log in
(i would have to see you play first to decide that) but in all seriousness there are some reall good warriors out there. i think they need to start a schoold for the 99% of the morons though