is this possible!?!?!?!

My ignore list is empty. I'm saving for a rainy day. Besides, if I don't tear into someone, I just pay no attention to them. They usually stop fairly quick, believing they're ignored.

You lucky, lucky bastard! I wish that were true

Lol, my ignore list is empty too. As for the arguemnet about roleplaying, these people are just playing a ROLE ina ROLEplaying game. I do not care if they are rushed to draknors, unless they fill up the low-level arenas with their armor and elites. Then they are playing the role of jackasses. Lol, but atleast they do fit into your ROLE playing fantasy.

After you have spent 500+ hours taking 3 characters or so to the end game content the long way you really dont feel like doing it all again, in fact I think you would of earned the right to take the shortcuts, after all ANet put them in there for a purpose, they are exploration zones. It's not a matter of being "stupid" or "lazy" I have been there through the content many times and now I look for a different challenge, it is just as close minded and "stupid" to automatically assume those who head to Droknar's early haven't been through the game properly once or twice or even three times. There is no #1 pve ladder, the low level pve player affects no one else but themselves if they use 1.5k armour, tell me exactly how does this alter the balance of _your_ pve experience, simple put - it doesn't. If ANet were adamant about forcing players to experience the full pve missions and everything they would of implemented a system to force this. Maybe this is a partial solution, you wont be able to head to Droknar's with other charatcers till you've run all the missions at least once with one of your characters?

PVP on the other hand is where the abuse occurs and I am quite against this, using skills and armour you should not rightfully have in a certain arena to purposefully defeat other characters for self gratification in my mind is griefing.

What if ANet set the minimum level requirement for each armor levels? I hope it will solve this problem.

Why bother making a fourth character if he's only gonna get rushed. May as well make him a pvp character. You might of played 500+, but once you start looking for shortcuts and and start running characters, Maybe Its time to take a break since your obliviously dont enjoy the game anymore.
I'm at 448 hours total and a bit over two months ( bought the game when it got released ) and only one character is finish the game, the other 3 are all between level 10 and 14. And I'm not sick of playing it fully yet.
But, hey, it normally takes me about a year or so to get sick of a rpg like that and I dont think after 2 months anyone would already have a full experiance of a game. Usually if you do is mainly because you have hurried trough most of it and did'nt spend the time to enjoy every aspect of it.

There are ways to get wherever you need to go at a very low level. Going to droknars is a very difficult trek from beacons. It's even harder as a run. I have found several ways around the exp gain, but I would rather not encourage the cheap runs to droknars, just so that you can stand half a chance with normal players in the lower level arenas. And yes, it is very possible to get to different places at low levels. I have a tendency to run guildmates from ascalon to lions arch. And no, I'm not a hypocrite, it's not for better armor and skills in the lower arenas.

Where does it state that I obviously don't enjoy the game anymore? Or again are you jumping to conclusions? Rushing my 4th has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game at all in fact I am still playing it because I enjoy the game so much - read my previous post about running my low lvl through Ice Floe, I will still go back and play all the quests and missions like I did with my first 3, the personal goal of getting to marhans at a low level was another thing for me to do amongst other self made pve quests. Don't make the mistake of automatically assuming just because it has take you 2 months to get where your characters are that I or others haven't appreciated or experienced in the full, the game content, I play pure pve and roleplay 1 char as well, trust me I appreciate the content quite well and probably more so than most. Sweeping generalisation's doesn't make for good discussion.

I've seen a lvl 1 at Marhans Grotto.

Crazy stuff.

True, you probably are still enjoying the game and I might of been wrong to assume that you rush trough it to much. But you have to admit that there is only a minority of people that are like you. Most low lvls that get run are usualy doing it, for the reason I stated there:

I'm sorry if I was kind of accusing everyone that got run there. but the ammount of people doing it for the wrong reasons is still a problem.

Bah THEY are the noobs in all this.. they still have to go bck to do their quests to get some skills and open towns in jungle etc to buy new ones..

The only good thing is that u can get nice armor at the beginning, which proves it's quite a noobish attitude..u can quite easily beat the quests if u know how to play
Maybe that's also about braggin' "y got Droknar set, u dont, stupid lvl 10 noob stfu i owned u" Well if that's rlly the point, those kinda guys ll have to clean their keyboard after playing too much with their balls

those runs are lame and i think most ppl in Southern Shiverpeaks that leechers like that ll ask for help will say "get the f*** back to ascalon u moron"

But, i might be wrong

200% agreed that d definitely bring balance 'bout this problem

I agree as well. most games do that anyways, this game probably should to.

ive never gotten to droknar's forge so it must be pretty far on and a level 4 got there

i got beaten by a level 4 ;-(

It takes 30 minutes to be ran to droknars by a competant warrior. I don't know why people are so angry about this; heckling the population of people that are bored and obsessive won't help, because most level 3s in droknars are part of that population.

I find it very funny personally that anyone would want to cheat in a game like this. I'm only level 14 right now and I was hanging around Pikens the other day and there were all these people selling Altheas ashes, and people were running to the guy selling the ashes.

Why would anyone WANT to do this? The whole idea of the game is to explore and have fun. Gad, it must have taken me 7 or 8 trys to kill Garfazz, but I finally did it with 2 henchies and one other guy at my level. It was a challenge, and gave a feeling of acomplishment doing it. What the hell fun is it to just have it handed to you?? Why even bother playing the game at all?

I'm taking the whole game very slow and really enjoying it. But ya know, different strokes for different folks I guess.

his name isn't long enough to be truncated....and you can take your second profession in pre-sear without doing any other quests....as long as you don't kill anything that quest won't give you enough XP to level. It's very much possible to be a lvl1 at the frost gate.

I completely agree. I beat the game with all four characters, and played each mission from The Great Wall to Sanctum Cay about 4 times each in Beta. Just because I want to rush my fifth and sixth character to enjoy the other missions more doesn't mean I am a noob or lazy.

Just because someone is lower level than you doesn't make them a leech. My ranger was lvl 15 doing the Southern Shiverpeaks and I was definately not a leech. I knew what I was doing and didn't mess up in the missions. And I've grouped with plenty lower levels in missions there with my characters. Many of them actually know how to follow orders and work as a team. If you want to complain about leechers, then actually complain about leechers. But don't assume you know who is a leecher and who isn't. You'd be surprised how many lvl 20s, even monks, leech in game. Now that's lame.

I'm usually 3-4 levels lower than the rest of the people in areas. This doesn't mean I am incapable of playing the game. I just don't waste my time do every little mission bonus, every little sidequest for that extra 250-500 exp. I've done them with my first character. I don't need the items or extra exp. Just because I'm not, to me, wasting my time getting what I consider trivial exp doesn't mean I'm going to be the weak link of a team. This game is about skill and being able to prove you can overcome obstacles not because you have uber gear, or high level weapons, or are 5 levels higher than your foes. I'll take experience over level any day.

The problem isn't the running. It's that people just want to be jerks in PvP. But a lot of people who are against this running have the same mindset that their way of playing is the right way. Don't try to act like the better man when your own ego is affecting how others can play the game. If you want it to be fixed, stop feeding the fire and actually do something to improve this so called flaw. Punishing others just because a few jerks screw it up doesn't solve anything.

if you're 3-4 levels lower than everyone else in the group...how are you contributing on an equal basis as far as dmg? just because you don't die doesn't mean you're helping. Don't you find yourself doing minimal dmg compared to the rest of the group?

It needs to be stopped why? Because you can't/didn't do it? Get a clue you freakin moron. Worry about your own play experience and stop worrying what others do. I wish this game had a monthly fee to get rid of the losers like you. What do you care if someone was run to Droknors to obtain armor or even run to get 15k armor? My warrior had Droknors at 13. I've finished everything in the game. My monk had 15k armor at 8 and he's now 19. My necro has 15k armor at 7 (got it last night). Why do you care what someone else does? You don't have to group with them, you don't have to talk to them. Are you mad because they are probably a better player and have friends? My guess is most likely. My guess is that you are also the type of person to talk to the ghost in the UW (if you have even made it that far) which wipes that party.

Again, to all you people bitching. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN DAMN GAME.

it looks choopy as i cut that pic out of sceeny and it make it bigger automatically

how does having 15K armor because someone in your guild ran you to it, make you a better player? I don't see the correlation....

Nope. I can do just as much damage and more. Why? Because I already know what skills work and what don't. Plus it isn't always about damage in every battle. There are other skills that help too, with conditions, effects and the like. Just because someone isn't the damage dealer doesn't mean they're the weakest link. I'm usually the same level as the henchmen when I reach a new area.

Lots of the lower levels, or the ones I have grouped with, are experienced players. They know the missions, how to follow orders, how to coordinate attacks, and what builds work against what enemies. With my elementalist, I may have been 3 levels lower than the other elementalist in the groups, but I usually had higher magic. I may have had lower life, but that never became a problem. I know how to avoid aggro and how to put aggro onto the warriors.

I'm by far not the best player in the game, nor do I care if I am. But I am a team player and know what I am doing. I don't desert teams when they mess up, I don't leech, and I don't exploit the game. I've been playing the game fairly since the WPE. I'm just tired of the attitudes of people thinking they are better than others just because they are higher level or have uber gear. This is not EQ or WoW.

so it's not that you're under-leveled it's that most people are over-leveled....nothing wrong with that.

As someone already pointed out, if you've been rushed to Forge and are doing missions and quests PAST forge, then chances are you won't have a lot of the skills which are needed.

I choose my groups based on level, rather than experience, later on (Southern Shiverpeaks, Fire Islands) because I know that if you're a low level in Forge, you haven't ascended and won't have full use of all attribute points, you also won't have the extra +30 attribute points from the quests around ascension. That means attribute specific skills aren't as useful, you'll have less health, and won't really do as much as a level 20 using the same skills.

I really don't care if people are rushed or not. I don't compete in the Ascalon arenas, so I've nothing to worry about there. Any low levels I find in the Lion's Arch arena's are usually on the opponents team (Much to their dislike) and are easier opponents. But when it comes to my PvE, why should I bring along a lower level who doesn't want to play the game?

This is only true for people who don't do anything before the Forge. Not every rusher is like that. And it's quite debatable what skills are needed and what aren't. 80% of the skills I have I never use in PvE, no matter what the circumstance is. Why should I waste time getting them?

I agree with this to a point. In my opinion, it depends on the level of the person. I'm not talking about lvl 5s or 10s wanting to get into groups. Then again, just because you have all 200 attribute points doesn't mean you have a clue how to use them. And not every lvl 20 has done the attribute quests anyways. Lots of people spread themselves too thin with their attributes and don't know what skills to bring. Admittingly, having a 12 in one attribute compared to someone with an 8 makes it statistically more effective, but what really matters is the person knowing when and how to use the skill to make it fully effective.

If they didn't want to play the game, they wouldn't be playing it.

Seeing as you can have an attribute at 16 far before reaching level 20, you're completely wrong. Not only that, but having skill and knowing the missions accounts for far more than pure dmg output. I lure group X, and tell my group to stay back. They do so and take out the group, while a huge patrol ambles by the original area. Looks like my lowered dmg (which isn't lowered, as i stated above..) came with the offset bonus of keeping everyone alive and beating the mission.

I did UW and FoW before they got patched at level 9, and guess what: people said i was the best prot monk they had ever seen (and i was a mes/mo). Hell, my low hp made me even stronger, since i had prot bond.

Its possible, but he LIED he ran into mobs and died, THEN his guild members ran for him, now if he had 0 deaths, its possible, but its like winning the lottery.

Erm, to all the people who are saying whats right and whats wrong, and whining about it should be stopped. Who the f**k made you God? What gives you the right to say whats wrong and whats right in a game you have no control over? If anyone is to decide whats right and whats wrong it is ArenaNet or NCSoft, NOT some insignifict player who's having a hissy fit because someone didnt play the game "their way". You people are so pathetic because you try and control something you have no control over.

I agree with psycore and kha on this subject. People really need to start being more open-minded on this subject rather than getting mad becuase someone isn't playing the game the way someone else wants them to play it.

Stop assuming that most of the low levels at the forge are trying to screw up your gaming experence. (you have the choice to invite them...) All the people I know that do this simply have played through the game and are just making it a bit easier to go through it the next times, nothing wrong with that. (why do you think the devs hooked up a high level area to a low level area? please... think about it..)

As for the few ive heard about screwing up pvp in the lower level areas with the higher armor... feel free to report them with screenshots and all... they are exploiting something the devs put in to make our (the people that been through the game) lives a bit easier.... to grief people, plain and simple. Please dont make me quote the guidelines...

I dont agree with giving the armor a lv requirement, thats just silly. As for people whining about others getting the skills in droknars, let us not forget that they have to actually get skill points to get those. That means they have to run all the missions to get skill points to spend on them, and if they plan on unlocking every skill in the game, as do i, they need to hit 20 and keep leveling to get skill points. As it is impossible to get all skills for both professions before level 20. Unless you try to unlock it through pvp, even so... if you do that legitimately, then i see no issues.

Just my two cents.

Coming Soon - Level 2 in Droknars Forge, screenshots will be posted asap.

stop your whoring, if someone wants to spend their money to have a runner run a path that the game creators created for that sole purpose then let them. If you don't wanna see low lvl characters at the forge then close your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing eyes.

and what about those who need the armour to farm?

I'm also totaly against the removing of either the link between beacon and droknar or the lvl req for armors. I finished the game 3 times and all is left for me is to unlock every single skills in the game (which i'm not too far from, thx to the droknar run) i can make a char.. and 3 hours later hes in droknar.. so i get the armor... go back at ascalon and make every single quest to lions arch only with henchies in like half the time it would take to a normal lvl 5... then at lvl 10 or so i take my henchies from lions arch.. run to bergen hotspring.. to temple of the age.. to fisherman haven... to sactum cay then do the mission.. guess what im at amnoon oasis with a lvl 11 and ive got there only with henchies... at this point i got a few skill point and can afford a lot of skills unlocking ... when im done.. i delete the char and start a new one....
it takes about 2-3 days to unlock around 30-40 skills... and this wouldn't be possible without what this thread is all against ...
I'm not saying that ppl who play the game for the first time should do that.. it is not intended this way anyway... but for those who already finished the game atleast once.. it get the whole story a bit less boring to get to the point.

my 2 cents.

I don't have a problem with people rushing to get the 15k armor (or even the exact same but less pretty 1.5k armor from Droknor's), but those characters should then NOT be allowed in any PvP competition until they reach L20. Any.

People getting the armor so they can then plow through the PvE game "quicker" is fine by me (not that you need the armor for that, but hey, their choice), but they shouldn't be allowed to grief others in the Arenas.

The low level arenas have always been an effort in "omfg i out nubbed you!" so why are you complaining about griefing?

I've gone in there and seen level 15 groups, since they've just kept winning, and i've gone against them with 3 level 3's. Is that grief? No, it isn't. You pvp the way you want to: if you're tired of these level 1-10 ubergamers then just wait till you're at droknars, get a team together and pwn the team arenas.

Of course its griefing... there are legit players in there getting owned by characters because the equipment they have is far superior and out of reach for a normal character of that level. And you just admitted to it. It's people like you who put other off the whole PvP experience...

What an ass...

When I first started playing this game, I followed the normal path, completing the quests and missions along the way until I reached the desert and completed my character's path to ascension. My W/Mo was a lvl 20 several missions before he actually ascended.

When I decided to create an e/me for GvG, I had no intentions of running through all of the missions again. With the help of members of my guild, My lv5 e/me is now at Sanctum Cay, equipped with Forge armor. I don't feel that I cheated the game, or have robbed myself of the experience. I am certain I haven't harmed anyone else by my actions. I know the exact skills I want to use, and I know exactly how I am going to setup the attributes. By this weekend I will have ascended this character as well, and will start planning out my next character.

Anyone that is playing the game with their first character should have to go through all of the hours of gameplay to complete the missions and ascend. However, once someone has passed that test, I see no reason for them to have to do it all over again.

I have never asked anyone for help other than members of my guild, so I have never been a weak link in someone's party. I am sure my tactics at character advancement are considered an exploitation of the game by some, but I don't really care for the opinions of others. My strategy works for me. To those that agree with me, I encourage you to continue to play the game your way. For those that do not agree, do things your way, but allow others to take their own path without getting ridiculed by you.

This game is big enough for all of us.

there is nothing wrong with a low lvl having drok armor.it doesnt make them "weak".i beat ice caves of sorrow with my lvl 11 ranger and all hencies.just wanted to do that and it was soo boring im not gona do iron mines with hencies.

please explain how a lvl 4 in droknars is ruining your game,for this example they never pvped with that character.i find the game alot easier with droks armor,and defenitly easier to find a group.