I mean really.
I really never have alot of gold, but I have armor for my level. Decent weapons also.
There's no uber anything in GW, and that's not a bad thing. I get gold weapons, decent rune drops, gold drops and salvagable rares.
I have 1.5k gold, a max damage sword(purple) enough runes to be a decent sword or hammer warrior(i like hammer better though).
I don't really play alot either, a couple hours here and there. I have no trouble getting enough money just collecting crafting items and selling them to the traders.
So, why buy gold from a 3rd party? I can only think greed. Aw well, lol.
Why buy eBay gold for guild wars?
Sledge
Ishamael Sedai
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I mean really.
I really never have alot of gold, but I have armor for my level. Decent weapons also. There's no uber anything in GW, and that's not a bad thing. I get gold weapons, decent rune drops, gold drops and salvagable rares. I have 1.5k gold, a max damage sword(purple) enough runes to be a decent sword or hammer warrior(i like hammer better though). I don't really play alot either, a couple hours here and there. I have no trouble getting enough money just collecting crafting items and selling them to the traders. So, why buy gold from a 3rd party? I can only think greed. Aw well, lol. |
I agree mostly with this post, although I could see how if someone had the money and not a lot of time they would do it. I have never bought or sold anything on ebay pertaining to guild wars, but I think I saw something on the 16th that topped it all. Someone bought the collectors shield for $8.99. Now I have been against using ebay for guild wars, but I have to admit a good part of me thought why didn't I sell that.
Marquee
simple 500k GWgold would take 40hrs for me just farming (v.boring)
40bucks 1 hours work for me, or a round of drinks for my friends down the pub
leaving 39 hrs to enjoy the game
Not that i would ever buy stuff off ebay thats bad lol
40bucks 1 hours work for me, or a round of drinks for my friends down the pub
leaving 39 hrs to enjoy the game
Not that i would ever buy stuff off ebay thats bad lol
Aria
Buying GW items from EBay for real life money is prohibited by the EULA. And no, buying a preorder is not the same thing. 
So.. please remember that while someone might have a lot of money to waste on buying gold, they're also risking a permanent ban of their account. The same goes for selling items on EBay, also.
So.. please remember that while someone might have a lot of money to waste on buying gold, they're also risking a permanent ban of their account. The same goes for selling items on EBay, also.
Drakron
Thats not the question.
The question is why buying and reason was given, it simply the farming grind takes too long as its easier, faster and less boring to just buy it online.
The question is why buying and reason was given, it simply the farming grind takes too long as its easier, faster and less boring to just buy it online.
Aniewiel
And, actually.....it's not completely against the EULA -technically- because the exchange of real world cash is NOT for an item that is the sole and copyrighted property of ANet. Every vendor on Ebay is careful to point this out. Buyers are paying the player cash for his/her time. *shrugs* Semantic bastiches. 
EULAs and the law are VERY vague. Unless the companies all band together, there's going to be little recourse to stop those who sell things on Ebay.
One question that's floated through my mind: Say you're in a guild and one of your farming guildmates hands you 1000 platinum. He offers to do this for all of the guildies. Each of you, in gratitude for his benificence, sends him...flowers or a book or some bauble. Are you violating the EULA if you do this? Semantically it is no different in a fashion than what Ebayers are doing, right?
No, I'm not a supporter of Ebayers. It's just something that occurred to me.
EULAs and the law are VERY vague. Unless the companies all band together, there's going to be little recourse to stop those who sell things on Ebay.
One question that's floated through my mind: Say you're in a guild and one of your farming guildmates hands you 1000 platinum. He offers to do this for all of the guildies. Each of you, in gratitude for his benificence, sends him...flowers or a book or some bauble. Are you violating the EULA if you do this? Semantically it is no different in a fashion than what Ebayers are doing, right?
No, I'm not a supporter of Ebayers. It's just something that occurred to me.
StandardAI
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Buying GW items from EBay for real life money is prohibited by the EULA. And no, buying a preorder is not the same thing.
So.. please remember that while someone might have a lot of money to waste on buying gold, they're also risking a permanent ban of their account. The same goes for selling items on EBay, also. |
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Thats not the question.
The question is why buying and reason was given, it simply the farming grind takes too long as its easier, faster and less boring to just buy it online. |
But, I didn't farm and I had more than enough money to buy the 700gp armor, and materials to get it crafted.
So, now I can save for my 1.5k armor, and shouldn't have to farm at all to get there.
I think pharming(Pretty Horrendous And Really Mind-numbING, lol, a joke) has been burned into some of our MMO experianced minds by games like Asheron's Call, EverQuest, and World of Warcraft. I remember doing the pharming thing and the sheer amount of time I put in playing EverQuest, lol, damn interface is burned into my retnaes(sp*?).
I'm just saying, in guild wars, you don't really need to pharm to get the items and gold you need, unless your going for Fissure armor. Have mercy, that's going to be a pain...if I ever wish to go for it. More than likely, I won't.
Also, I will admit, I once bought Plat for cash in EQ once. I had been gone for EQ for 7 months and when I got back alot of things changed. So, I dropped the cash got the plat, and "geared up" to be on level with the high end game again. Kind of wish I didn't though, I felt I cheated myself
Kishin
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And, actually.....it's not completely against the EULA -technically- because the exchange of real world cash is NOT for an item that is the sole and copyrighted property of ANet. Every vendor on Ebay is careful to point this out. Buyers are paying the player cash for his/her time. *shrugs* Semantic bastiches.
EULAs and the law are VERY vague. Unless the companies all band together, there's going to be little recourse to stop those who sell things on Ebay. |
PieXags
I think you'd be surprised...
Aniewiel
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I love how Ebayers think they're untouchable scholars of the law. Any lawyer would tear this argument apart in seconds, if it came to that.
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Marquee
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I love how eBayers think they're untouchable scholars of the law. Any lawyer would tear this argument apart in seconds, if it came to that.
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Fact is it’s easier to make threats and noise than it is to try and stop these guys it’s a useless task.
BTW ironically people I have spoken too who have bought off eBay never felt the need for eBay gold until Anet nerf'd farming leaving them no quick way to earn a few bucks.
PhineasToke
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Buying GW items from EBay for real life money is prohibited by the EULA. And no, buying a preorder is not the same thing.
So.. please remember that while someone might have a lot of money to waste on buying gold, they're also risking a permanent ban of their account. The same goes for selling items on EBay, also. |
Then the question remains, why haven't the folks at AN worked with Ebay yet (like Sony with Everquest) and banned GW items for sale? It appears to most who sell (and buy from the number of positives posted) that AN hasn't done a thing about it. Preaching to us about the ethics of the EULA is one thing, but doing something about it is another. (PS, go watch the bot highway in Riverside Province some day and you'll understand that computer time = zero personal time= minimum risk.)
Drakron
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But, I didn't farm and I had more than enough money to buy the 700gp armor, and materials to get it crafted.
So, now I can save for my 1.5k armor, and shouldn't have to farm at all to get there. ...( |
Problem is not the 700gp armor, problem is the weapon mods, the superior vigor runes, the materials (that became overpriced) and pretty much everything that we look for after we beat the game.
After doing the 3 Ring of Fire missions there is nothing, the 75k set is so overpriced that you cannot casualy get it ... you need to farm for it.
Worst in when you reach Dragon's Lair you start to run 8 members party but enemies still drop 1 item, so chances are change from 1/6 to 1/8 to get a item that at likely is a white item, worth about 50 gp.
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simple 500k GWgold would take 40hrs for me just farming (v.boring)
40bucks 1 hours work for me, or a round of drinks for my friends down the pub leaving 39 hrs to enjoy the game Not that i would ever buy stuff off ebay thats bad lol |
Jeez. I wish I made 40$ an hour.
Sereng Amaranth
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How exactly does one risk this if their accounts are never mentioned publicly, at any time?
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I'm wondering how people can sell 800k on ebay. One account can only hold 500k.
eventhorizen
pfffft not playing the game yet getting access to items and equipment you can only get via playing by using real life money is LAME.
'It cuts doww grind, I dont have a lot of time' Dont play computer games and you will have even more time.
Games, especially mmorpgs and the like are supposed to be escapist realms people join or take part in as a break from their real lives. This is practically fact.
Paying real life money for ingame items or services totally destroys this facade, this 'dream' and in my mind is totally abhorant.
Another thing iv noticed recently. Several 'rich americans' as they call themselves, have been hanging around Lions Arch in the European servers asking to buy max damage weaponry and items, and offering 'Godly prices' for them.
We all know that there is difference in prices acrss the 2servers, whats less known is that is apparantly a breach of the EULA.
I spend a lot of time in Lions Arch, and if I see any of this type of thing occuring, Im going to report it.
Games of for playing, not for screwing around with for cash, real life or imaginary, and abusing game systems for wealth, or purchasing wealth or game time off an internet site is in my view pathetic, and the culprits will be spending many long years in the future wondering why there parents never taught them morality or decency.
'It cuts doww grind, I dont have a lot of time' Dont play computer games and you will have even more time.
Games, especially mmorpgs and the like are supposed to be escapist realms people join or take part in as a break from their real lives. This is practically fact.
Paying real life money for ingame items or services totally destroys this facade, this 'dream' and in my mind is totally abhorant.
Another thing iv noticed recently. Several 'rich americans' as they call themselves, have been hanging around Lions Arch in the European servers asking to buy max damage weaponry and items, and offering 'Godly prices' for them.
We all know that there is difference in prices acrss the 2servers, whats less known is that is apparantly a breach of the EULA.
I spend a lot of time in Lions Arch, and if I see any of this type of thing occuring, Im going to report it.
Games of for playing, not for screwing around with for cash, real life or imaginary, and abusing game systems for wealth, or purchasing wealth or game time off an internet site is in my view pathetic, and the culprits will be spending many long years in the future wondering why there parents never taught them morality or decency.
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Buying GW items from EBay for real life money is prohibited by the EULA. And no, buying a preorder is not the same thing.
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EULA states what you said, but has anyone noticed companies like IGE and SWAGVAULT who sell currency and items for GW and about 12 other online games? They use the OFFICIAL game logo on their pages and storefronts, and they use OFFICIAL terms and sentencing in their pitches. What I want to know is, if ANET, and the other companies for that matter, "highly discourage the sale of in game currency and items" then why in hell are they not filing lawsuits for trademark infringement on the part of these leeches?
Simple: THEY OK IT!
Which makes me rather sick.
There is no way in HELL that those companies would risk the legal rammifications of using, for example, the WOW logo on their site, to sell WOW stuff on it, if they had no permission to do so. PERIOD. Someone at the MMO game companies is LYING to you.
I do not agree with buying ingame stuff from out of game sources, so this really pisses me off.
Divinitys Creature
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And, actually.....it's not completely against the EULA -technically- because the exchange of real world cash is NOT for an item that is the sole and copyrighted property of ANet. Every vendor on Ebay is careful to point this out. Buyers are paying the player cash for his/her time. *shrugs* Semantic bastiches.
EULAs and the law are VERY vague. Unless the companies all band together, there's going to be little recourse to stop those who sell things on Ebay. One question that's floated through my mind: Say you're in a guild and one of your farming guildmates hands you 1000 platinum. He offers to do this for all of the guildies. Each of you, in gratitude for his benificence, sends him...flowers or a book or some bauble. Are you violating the EULA if you do this? Semantically it is no different in a fashion than what Ebayers are doing, right? No, I'm not a supporter of Ebayers. It's just something that occurred to me. |
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Yeah, I have been WAITING for a chance to bring this up:
EULA states what you said, but has anyone noticed companies like IGE and SWAGVAULT who sell currency and items for GW and about 12 other online games? They use the OFFICIAL game logo on their pages and storefronts, and they use OFFICIAL terms and sentencing in their pitches. What I want to know is, if ANET, and the other companies for that matter, "highly discourage the sale of in game currency and items" then why in hell are they not filing lawsuits for trademark infringement on the part of these leeches? Simple: THEY OK IT! Which makes me rather sick. There is no way in HELL that those companies would risk the legal rammifications of using, for example, the WOW logo on their site, to sell WOW stuff on it, if they had no permission to do so. PERIOD. Someone at the MMO game companies is LYING to you. I do not agree with buying ingame stuff from out of game sources, so this really pisses me off. |
I didn't think of that. Interesting. If they didn't support it, then I bet a cease and decist order would be posted months back. Good thinking.
SOT
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That's how I think about this issue too. The worst thing they can do is ban your account.
I didn't think of that. Interesting. If they didn't support it, then I bet a cease and decist order would be posted months back. |
I went through this same crap with Lineage II. I would be GANKED by robots who, it turned out later, WORK FOR IGE. I sent a complaint to tech support, and was quite literally told to eat it. Literally.
Which begs the question, what's the truth on this matter?
generik
Trouble is what if these companies are registered overseas? Say... Saudi Arabia?
Trying to invoke DMCA there? Not like I like that law, but don't make me laugh please.
Trying to invoke DMCA there? Not like I like that law, but don't make me laugh please.
Sereng Amaranth
The game is only 2.5 months old. I'm sure there will be papers filed.
SOT
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The game is only 2.5 months old. I'm sure there will be papers filed.
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Try again
Ishamael Sedai
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Buying GW items from EBay for real life money is prohibited by the EULA. And no, buying a preorder is not the same thing.
So.. please remember that while someone might have a lot of money to waste on buying gold, they're also risking a permanent ban of their account. The same goes for selling items on EBay, also. |
couldn't it just be worded in such a way though that you could get around the EULA. you are paying them such and such money to talk nice to you in an email and they give you the GW gold out of the kindness of their heart. i haven't seen it worded like that but i have seen them say that at least for items you aren't paying for the item but for the time finding the item.
Drakron
Nope, besides there is a clause that allows companies to shut down and ban accounts for whatever reason they feel like, no wording can legaly save then from having their (seller and buyer) accounts being shut down.
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LMAO, right. Actually it is nearly 5 months old, as it was released in April of 2005, and I was talking about many many MANY games on those sites, not only GW. It appears that the EULA is designed to single out certain people for as yet unseen reasons. Why else would they claim from one side of the mouth to not like it being done, then allow a MEGA company like IGE to do it. This is not some ebayer I am talking about, these companies are making MILLIONS. It is not some secret shadow conspiracy going on. Anet would have to be a company that hadn't yet gone public to NOT know about IGE.
Try again |
Your argument seems centered on the fact that they use official logos and phrases.
Permission? No company has all the time in the world tracking down those who use its trademarked material.
And so what if they do? What the Ebayers simply do is remove it.
Unless something is worked out through Ebay, nothing can be done. As for working through Ebay... it's more difficult than you say. For example, organ auctions took immense international pressure before Ebay caved in and forbade it. Even now though, the organ auctioning is rather loosely enforced. Same with your EverQuest example, which basically has next to no enforcement.
My apologies, but I personally think you have some bitterness that you are merely expressing here and exaggerate the facts.
And in reply to someone before about the EULA: It's like nailing someone for slander or libel. You can't really prove intentions too well without a recording or written record of them. And the chances of that with the Ebayers is...?
Making threatening gestures is about all they can do--prudently, at least. They could always be like the record companies in their crusade against filesharers... get very little results from a great deal of money and effort.
Edit: All they can really do is ban accounts, as stated above. But then again, that's why most Ebay listings hide the names of characters and accounts.
Even this solution has to be cautious and moderately applied--after all, what is its just some guy transfering all of his gold, for example, to a new account of his own, or his friend's? Or maybe he's quitting and giving the gold to his friend. Or maybe he wants to start fresh with gold and give it all to his "friend".
Again, hard to prove, easy to backfire.
Van the Warrior
when you spend needless real money on free monthly game you have to stop and look atyourself and say...
omg i am buying internet money for a free game
omg i am buying internet money for a free game
Ishamael Sedai
honestly i do not completely feel bad about ebay. i have a perfect halfmoon. i saw a perfect ivory bow sell for 49.99. in a way it makes me feel good that i could sell that thing for over $50.
Sir Skullcrasher
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when you spend needless real money on free monthly game you have to stop and look atyourself and say...
omg i am buying internet money for a free game |
i mean come on, it not that hard to get 10 or 15k in about 1 week of gaming. Currently i got 17 k and that from saving golds with all the items that i have collected and sold. But there is a price to pay if you want to save golds, (for me) i have to stop buying armors from every towns i been to, since it cost 1) materials, which can add up to 1k or more per stuff and 2) the cost of the armors, since im pretty close to Drokanor Forge (bad spelling), i'm saving golds for the 1.5k armors
SOT
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Your argument seems centered on the fact that they use official logos and phrases.
Permission? No company has all the time in the world tracking down those who use its trademarked material. And so what if they do? What the Ebayers simply do is remove it. Unless something is worked out through Ebay, nothing can be done. As for working through Ebay... it's more difficult than you say. For example, organ auctions took immense international pressure before Ebay caved in and forbade it. Even now though, the organ auctioning is rather loosely enforced. Same with your EverQuest example, which basically has next to no enforcement. My apologies, but I personally think you have some bitterness that you are merely expressing here and exaggerate the facts. |
Anet would have to be blind not to see the potential nightmare from that alone. So no, bitterness has nothing to do with me and my comment, it is called curiosity about this:
Anet claims no-no on the ebay-TYPE behavior, but seem to allow it from companies whose SOLE purpose for existing is to buy and sell in game currency, items, and for god's sake, ACCOUNTS. That is blatant contradiction, and someone needs to respond on it from the horse's mouth, because it is so far apparently being overlooked on purpose.
Marquee
I always thought having an in game ATM would have been a brilliant idea
I could imagine pitching that to my accountant and watching his eyes light up
"Ok ok how about this we get people to pay us with real cash and then we give them monopoly money that costs us nothing"
lol tbh that’s the only way of beating these botters
I could imagine pitching that to my accountant and watching his eyes light up
"Ok ok how about this we get people to pay us with real cash and then we give them monopoly money that costs us nothing"
lol tbh that’s the only way of beating these botters
hero shima
Marquee, thats a great idea. SoftNYX already did it though. Gunbound, a FREE (free download, free play) online game similar to worms armegedon or tanks, has all kinds of armor/clothing upgrades to make your character better. They are ungodly expensive though, when trying to save up ingame money. Of course.. the company itself sells ingame money via paypal or credit cards.
Recently they even changed it so the "avatar" (stuff you buy), is rented rather then purchased. So you spent $50 on that suit of armor to make you almost impossible to kill? Great, in 2 months you have to do it again. There are even items (really good ones) that can ONLY be bought with real money.
Recently they even changed it so the "avatar" (stuff you buy), is rented rather then purchased. So you spent $50 on that suit of armor to make you almost impossible to kill? Great, in 2 months you have to do it again. There are even items (really good ones) that can ONLY be bought with real money.
Marquee
so how much normally play to dye your armor black now?
generik
Paying for ingame items is BS IMHO.. nothing but a scam.
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LMAO, right. Actually it is nearly 5 months old, as it was released in April of 2005, and I was talking about many many MANY games on those sites, not only GW. It appears that the EULA is designed to single out certain people for as yet unseen reasons. Why else would they claim from one side of the mouth to not like it being done, then allow a MEGA company like IGE to do it. This is not some ebayer I am talking about, these companies are making MILLIONS. It is not some secret shadow conspiracy going on. Anet would have to be a company that hadn't yet gone public to NOT know about IGE.
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And without proof that they are not doing anything, your statements are rubbish.
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Gold 1,000,000 Gold
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-Diomedes
nachojim
Hmm.. in a game such as Guild Wars, I can't see gold buying to be that popular. Like many have said, it's not that hard to acquire gold (although I haven't played much since this nerf..), nor is gold really a required commodity. At least for PvE anyway. I suppose if you were mainly interested in PvP, it could matter.
Now, as for a game like World of Warcraft... sure, I can see why people would do that. Gold really does matter in that game. Items really matter. And farming to get those items or to obtain the gold necessary for those items is very tedious. Farming for the gold puts you in a spot where a lot of others are farming. Farming for items puts you in an instance with a full group and a good probability you'll have to run though it a couple times to get the item to drop and to win the roll for it. As an instance can take hours... unless you have a quest there you're finishing or something, it can be very monotonous.
I wouldn't say that gold buyers are losers or geeks per se. It's just worth it to them to avoid a few hours of farming. And, assuming they have a job, it can definitely make sense. It takes me about 2-3 hours or so to get 50g in that game. If a person makes even as low as 10/hour, that would be 20-30 dollars. And according to everyone's favorite goldseller (not ebay..) 30 dollars can get you 300k. Of course this varies with how you play and your luck. You could also find the rare item (or skin...) and get 1000g for 4 or 5 hours of work. I'm just saying for the average working person it can make sense.
Again, though, for Guild Wars... it doesn't make much sense to me. But, it certainly may be worth it to some people and I'm not going to judge them for it. I'm sure to many people, people that play video games in general are dorks.
As for it hurting the economy, I've seen different explanations going for and against that idea. I personally don't think it hurts the economy, but I suppose I'm going a bit off-topic.
Now, as for a game like World of Warcraft... sure, I can see why people would do that. Gold really does matter in that game. Items really matter. And farming to get those items or to obtain the gold necessary for those items is very tedious. Farming for the gold puts you in a spot where a lot of others are farming. Farming for items puts you in an instance with a full group and a good probability you'll have to run though it a couple times to get the item to drop and to win the roll for it. As an instance can take hours... unless you have a quest there you're finishing or something, it can be very monotonous.
I wouldn't say that gold buyers are losers or geeks per se. It's just worth it to them to avoid a few hours of farming. And, assuming they have a job, it can definitely make sense. It takes me about 2-3 hours or so to get 50g in that game. If a person makes even as low as 10/hour, that would be 20-30 dollars. And according to everyone's favorite goldseller (not ebay..) 30 dollars can get you 300k. Of course this varies with how you play and your luck. You could also find the rare item (or skin...) and get 1000g for 4 or 5 hours of work. I'm just saying for the average working person it can make sense.
Again, though, for Guild Wars... it doesn't make much sense to me. But, it certainly may be worth it to some people and I'm not going to judge them for it. I'm sure to many people, people that play video games in general are dorks.
As for it hurting the economy, I've seen different explanations going for and against that idea. I personally don't think it hurts the economy, but I suppose I'm going a bit off-topic.
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The Illuminati!
Dax
The question should be: Why do people not want to play a game they paid for?
Seems to me part of the game play is to build up your character, which includes wealth. The way individuals want to play this game (buying gold, rushing, ect.) is sorta like buying a novel just to read the end. Unfortunately the game is balanced to be more enjoyable once you are blinged out.
I can't entirely blame gold seller because it's also the player who buys the gold, without them the gold selling become irrelevent
Seems to me part of the game play is to build up your character, which includes wealth. The way individuals want to play this game (buying gold, rushing, ect.) is sorta like buying a novel just to read the end. Unfortunately the game is balanced to be more enjoyable once you are blinged out.
I can't entirely blame gold seller because it's also the player who buys the gold, without them the gold selling become irrelevent