New Update: Gaile Grey's Comments

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Some people are just impossible to please. Sheesh.

StandardAI

StandardAI

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2005

K A R M A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Some people are just impossible to please. Sheesh.
Eh... There's a lot of unpleased fans you know Aniewiel, It's kind of like saying "Wow we liberated the people in the middle east, now they want electricity and food too? wow you just can't please some people."

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

[QUOTE=Tuna]Its important to take quotes in complete context, as you notice the sentance before I had a disclamer saying that you have implemented some things. The second sentance pressess on the many things that the community wants and there is little official word of ever getting.
QUOTE]



you wouldnt be still refering to

UA/X

10X faction

1/10 cost of faction items

would you?

i thought that it had been acceped that Anet was not going to change as it has been relatively peaceful here for the last bit without the 5 rant threads a day demanding them

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
you wouldnt be still refering to
UA/X
10X faction
1/10 cost of faction items
would you?
i thought that it had been acceped that Anet was not going to change as it has been relatively peaceful here for the last bit without the 5 rant threads a day demanding them
While those certainly are things that I would like, I tried to keep my personal agenda out of this. There are many issues that have nothing to do with PvE vs PvP balance that are not being attended to. As I said, if you want examples step right into the suggestion forum.

Myth Osis

Myth Osis

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Christchurch, New Zealand

Red Order

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Some people are just impossible to please. Sheesh.
/nods

There will always be optimists and there will always be Pessimists. Some one that posts USEFULL posts (not just plain rants) on forums, generally falls somewhere in between. As they usually post like ...

This annoys me....
Heres why .....
But if we do this .....
It may fix it because .....

Keep this in mind when posting

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

not trying to be rude but shouldn't a-net have caught this exploits long ago, I mean a-net should have notice that people can screw up their armros for their own advantage during last time they patch up guild wars.

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

Quote:
Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
not trying to be rude but shouldn't a-net have caught this exploits long ago, I mean a-net should have notice that people can screw up their armros for their own advantage during last time they patch up guild wars.
One would think.

If anyone wants to take me up on that contest or whatever, drop me a pm.

Dyeeo

Dyeeo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego

Lost Children

E/Mo

I think details about exploits SHOULD be made available so people who get banned and say they had no clue it was an exploit have no excuse because of previous examples of exploits.

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyeeo
I think details about exploits SHOULD be made available so people who get banned and say they had no clue it was an exploit have no excuse because of previous examples of exploits.
Obviously not all details, like how to go about exploiting it. That should be left out and I'm sure the person who writes the notes would agree.

Gardavil

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth Osis
Am I the only one loving the almost weekly updates. Better that than to wait 6 months for a 200 meg download ...... no??
No, you are not the only one that loves the updates weekly.

I am SOOOO glad I nolonger have to try and download a 25 to 70 Mb patch like I used to with all the other games I used to play.

Thanks Anet, some of us that complain ain't happy unless were complainin'.......

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyeeo
I think details about exploits SHOULD be made available so people who get banned and say they had no clue it was an exploit have no excuse because of previous examples of exploits.
They shouldn't say how they did it, they should simply say what the exploit did (made you invincible, melted your enemy's brain, etc. )

Ascension

Ascension

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

From quickly browsing the comments by Anet, it gives the sense they've bitten off more then they can chew. In that case, why not ask for help? My train of thought is currently in UI's (user interface's). They deal with the user mechanics of the game. They range from new nav pannels to macros, but they are done by the community. Hate to say it, but look at WoW. UI's are an incouraged, and important part of the game.

If Anet doesn't have time for the little things, let the community step in. For once in a game's existence - the community is willing to step in and help. Yet this game doesn't encourage it. What harm comes in having outsourced UI's? Besides one hell of a cluttered screen, of course! :P

People spend the time to make videos of places you can nerf ... they need to be put to work!

Lastly, it's the little things that make the game. Lack of Officer chat, or a friend's list online message - these two things actually equal invisible walls in my irritation. It's always the little things ... There was actually a study on this, and it turns out the little things bug us far more then big things. When some huge negative event happens, we can prepare for it - but when we're bombarded with little annoyances we can't handle the stress. For example, we can prepare for the lag, invisible walls, and idiots - but when little things like your NPC's not remembering your layout preferace, it drives you nuts!

PhineasToke

PhineasToke

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

in a house

Phantom Menace

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
You guys are on such a Conspiracy Theory trend these days!

This was an exploit that involved armor. It was, thank goodness, reported to us, and it allowed players to get an advantage that was unintended in the game. So, we closed the exploit. That is all. We did not slip in nerfs. We did not add new features. We didn't take the opp to include a teaser for Chapter 2 or an in-game product placement for Dr. Pepper, either.



Actually, the update had a small glitch and a few new characters founds themselves running around in their skivvies. So we fixed, that, too.


Wanted to put this here in its own post so it didn't get lost in the whining shuffle.
You can fix the economy next.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

*sigh*... there is nothing wrong with the economy... there is said it first.. ouch.. i have a pain in my fingers from writing that so many times..

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ascension
From quickly browsing the comments by Anet, it gives the sense they've bitten off more then they can chew. In that case, why not ask for help?
When I was on Arena-Net's site the other day they had a big old advertisment for skilled techs to "Join the Team" for Guild Wars.

I have no real skills in that department(code writing), but, they could hire me as a Operations Manager. I am pretty good at delegating and getting the job done. I would NOT be one of the "Suits" that everyone would run around acting like they are doing something when I walk in the room. I am a firm believer in a mid-afternoon power nap. But then I am sure they have it under control there. I'll bet it is a fun place to work most of the time.

EDIT: Yes this makes perfect sense
Quote:
ManadartheHealer: They shouldn't say how they did it, they should simply say what the exploit did (made you invincible, melted your enemy's brain, etc. )

Ascension

Ascension

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood
When I was on Arena-Net's site the other day they had a big old advertisment for skilled techs to "Join the Team" for Guild Wars.
I was thinking volunteer, that's what becomes the basis of community. Just look around you at GWG, an easy 90% of the people here rock (compared to the 1% in game). Imagine even a fraction of the community stepping in to help, think of the posibilities. For example, www.curse-gaming.com/ - check out the WoW UI's, it proves my point UI's can rock the world

Miss Innocent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

I wander.

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Or we could just slip in those updates and not say a word. I'm sure everyone is aware that in all honesty, we're not obliged to report anything. I'm pretty proud that we are, in fact, and are taking the time to make sure that we do so in six languages, too! If someone wants the development notes on every patch, well, unfortunately we're not going to be able to provide those. If we close an exploit and you wonder "Does it affect me?" then maybe we all ought to step back and take another look at you, huh?

We post honestly about updates, but details are not provided for a wealth of reasons. It would be super if, instead of our seeing the glass has half empty, we all saw it as half full. This is the first company I know of that is so studious about trying to outline every area in which updates or patches are made, and to call out the specifics of what is being altered. I've seen games that have been out a year that don't have a single "patch note" page.

So, in short, we're reporting what we can, and when we can, and will attempt to do that into the future as well.


It's a vicious cycle, and it's sort of sad, because we really do have a plan in mind, and a sure and certain path we're going to follow. I am afraid that at a certain point, a few players thought "He who shouts loudest will get the most attention."

If we ever gave the impression that the complainers were the only ones getting served, trust me, that's not the case. We don't get intimidated, and we don't pander.

To everything, there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.
Actually, the Blizzard Warcraft III updater would give you a very detailed report about changes to the game. It would say things like "Mana burn changed from 100/200/300 to 50/100/150" (Skills had three levels in that game, except for "Ultimates", the high level skill). This info was very useful, so that you didn't end up in game and see "hey, the skill I was using got nerfed, when did that happen?". That's a good bit different from an "exploit" but it still makes a difference.

To be fair, there were also unreported changes that slipped through too, like changing Healing Wards' HP from 200 to 5 to make them easier to kill.

PhineasToke

PhineasToke

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

in a house

Phantom Menace

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
*sigh*... there is nothing wrong with the economy... there is said it first.. ouch.. i have a pain in my fingers from writing that so many times..
Tell that to the players who haven't ascended. I have a pain in my fingers from contradicting all of you so many times.

Miss Innocent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

I wander.

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
*sigh*... there is nothing wrong with the economy... there is said it first.. ouch.. i have a pain in my fingers from writing that so many times..
I agree... and I didn't have much gold before this stuff started, and now it seems my PvE characters will never be useful for PvE because everything has gotten so expensive, and I can't make any money.

It seems a little off topic, but it's still relevant to updates.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Innocent
I agree... and I didn't have much gold before this stuff started, and now it seems my PvE characters will never be useful for PvE because everything has gotten so expensive, and I can't make any money.

It seems a little off topic, but it's still relevant to updates.
you are doing something wrong .

i have no idea what it is but i have never sold anything more expensive than a silver dye (to a trader never person) for 600 or furs for 450+

i am not to Riverside yet but i always have an extra plat or 2 or 3 at the end of the day which is not more than 1-3 hours

closing on 250 plat next week

dont buy anything you dont NEED
dont waste salvage money unless you need the inventory space to continue
i have never had even a 1 k item to my name let alont a 250 k item to sell

i havent noticed the nerf at all

actually things started dropping better for me AFTER the patch evened things out so some spots were not getting more than their fair share (and mine less)

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
i am not to Riverside yet but i always have an extra plat or 2 or 3 at the end of the day which is not more than 1-3 hours

closing on 250 plat next week

dont buy anything you dont NEED
dont waste salvage money unless you need the inventory space to continue
i have never had even a 1 k item to my name let alont a 250 k item to sell
The key is not to waste money. I have around 160k sitting in storage, and all I have left to buy is the necromancer 1.5k droknar's armor (my monk has finished the game and the ranger is at ring of fire).

I never buy weapons. I find good ones or find a collector.

ShinJin Kahn

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
The key is not to waste money. I have around 160k sitting in storage, and all I have left to buy is the necromancer 1.5k droknar's armor (my monk has finished the game and the ranger is at ring of fire).

I never buy weapons. I find good ones or find a collector.

Most moronic post ever.

"I have a ton of money cos I dont spend any"

GEEE WHIZ!!!!! REALLY!!!?!?!?!? YOU DONT SAY?!?!?!.

What do you think we are talking about here?

160k is nothing, most of us have spent upwords of 700k on a single character. Of course you'll have a ton of money if you only save it, but whats the point of saving if your not gonna spend it on anything, very few people here just want the money for moneys sake, we wish to buy things, duh!.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn
Most moronic post ever.
Useless

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn
"I have a ton of money cos I dont spend any"
I never said I didn't spend any money. I just absolutely refuse to be fleeced out of >100k for some weapon I can get by gathering collector's materials for a half hour. I would rather spend all that money buying dye, putting it towards the 75k armor, giving it to guildies, buying skills or cap signets, etc.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn

160k is nothing, most of us have spent upwords of 700k on a single character.
sorry not all of us are rich.. i only have like 50k with all my 3 characters together right now.. and about 60K in my entire life.. but hey, not all of us farm either, or have that good of luck

i find it weird how its all the rich people whinning about the econ and the poor guys like me who love it... however id love to see a /haggle comand just for the heck of it

ShinJin Kahn

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
sorry not all of us are rich.. i only have like 50k with all my 3 characters together right now.. and about 60K in my entire life.. but hey, not all of us farm either, or have that good of luck

i find it weird how its all the rich people whinning about the econ and the poor guys like me who love it... however id love to see a /haggle comand just for the heck of it
Thats because the rich people know what it's like to be and dont want to be poor ever again, it TOTALLY sucks to be poor, when you first start the game, or are poor all the time you dont know what it's like to be rich, so you dont know what your missing.

If you've never bought 15k armour(full set) or spent more then 75k on a weapon then you need not post in this thread because it really doesn't affect you.

PieXags

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

It affects everyone.

And no, most of us haven't spent 700k on one character, if I added up all the money I spent on all 6 of the characters I've had, It would problably equal about 250k, and that's including 3 sets of 15k armor, I haven't spent anywhere near 700k, if you're spending that much on one character without even getting the 15k armors or anything, no wonder your poor, holy shit.

On one character, not getting the 15k armor I problably spend around 25k total, and that's it. Including the price of dye, armor, material, and weapons, no more than 25k. (Going through the entire game.) 700k on one character? Why the HELL would you spend that much?

And actually, people who haven't bought the 15k armor have every right to post in this thread. Maybe they didn't like the way it looked, maybe they didn't want it. That doesn't meant Gaile's words affect them any less.

Cap'n Hoek

Cap'n Hoek

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Sunny California

Ancient Avatars

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn
Most moronic post ever.

<random drivel deleted>
Most awesometastic super best post ever.

Maybe with all that money you can go buy a clue.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn
Thats because the rich people know what it's like to be and dont want to be poor ever again, it TOTALLY sucks to be poor, when you first start the game, or are poor all the time you dont know what it's like to be rich, so you dont know what your missing.

If you've never bought 15k armour(full set) or spent more then 75k on a weapon then you need not post in this thread because it really doesn't affect you.
oh yes, having 1000K and nothing to spend it on is enjoyable... look there is nothing wrong with having low gold or plat, last time i checked the box never said anything about "roll around in your cash and make bill gates jealous" and i cant stand it when people (mainly new players) complain about not having unlimited cash and no 15K armor (which is just pretty 1.5K), im not "missing" anything, people who spend their lives farming and grabbing money are missing out on the REAL point of the game... kinda makes me wish there was no money.. im sick of reading the same thing over an over, nerf this, not enough gold that

im probly one short number people who beat the game with LA/Amnoon Oasis armor and less than 20K, and proud of it

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn
If you've never bought 15k armour(full set) or spent more then 75k on a weapon then you need not post in this thread because it really doesn't affect you.
You should've stopped while you were ahead