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ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

23 Jul 2005 at 15:19 - 1

hi there, i just wanted to tell you guys that rangers ROCK""

i mean, they are a fantastic proffesion of themselves,
rangers could go on without a secoundary prof,

i have a lvl 20 ranger, i have changed his second prof 3 times,
and im going to do it again!
i have tried ranger/warrior-useless ranger/mesma-pathetic and ranger/ele- a litle good with the AoE spells, but the rest USE LESS

i have a build of

marksman 13
WS 13
and espertise 13

you guys i rock in PvE PvP and UW/FoW, no need for a secoundary prof, cauz i got everything good with my build. marksman is good and dose high dmg, so dose traps, and healing is perfect with 13 WS.

any body else think that rangers totaly rock??

PS: i might try r/n for som nice bloodmagic- eheh

Marcus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

UK

Warrior Nation [WN]

Rt/Mo

23 Jul 2005 at 15:29 - 2

Hehe Im like you, I have a r/mo but have no monk stats, just ressurect skill

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

23 Jul 2005 at 15:37 - 3

Its not that the rangers can function without using their secondary, its that rangers CAN only be efficient if they put all their points into expertise, marksmanship, wilderness survival, or beast mastery. Two attributes that you must have are expertise and marksmanship. Then others feel like the WS attribute is too hard to pass up, and since people don't want to spread their points too thin, they hardly have enough points to use their secondary to its full potential.

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

23 Jul 2005 at 15:42 - 4

yep but still, RANGERS ROCK!!! :P

GranDeWun

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

23 Jul 2005 at 15:42 - 5

At low levels I found 'Physical Resistance' and a few other Mesmer skills to be useful for my R/Me , but after hitting 20 and getting my hands on elite ranger skills, I completely ignore my secondary. "Secondary? We don't need no steenking secondaries..."

Neo-LD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

USA

[GSS][SoF][DIII]

23 Jul 2005 at 15:42 - 6

11+3 Expert
10+2 Marks
9+1 Wild
4 BM

and a sup vigor rune is staple for most bow damage rangers.

Then bring Tigers Fury, a wilderness prep, a few arrow shots, and wallah.

Usually if rangers use their secondary, it will be for a general skill not linked to an attribute. Echo, Grenths Balance, Ressurect, that sort of stuff.

Marcus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

UK

Warrior Nation [WN]

Rt/Mo

23 Jul 2005 at 15:42 - 7

Exactly :O Though I dont use expertise, just WS, marksmanship + BM

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

23 Jul 2005 at 15:54 - 8

what is better than a 4 person trapper gruop in UW?
(let me give you a hint, no ONE ehhe)

SleepeR

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 Jul 2005 at 16:05 - 9

A 2 person, no ranger, UW group? Or possibly even one person?

Uirumusu

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Lemon Party

R/Mo

23 Jul 2005 at 16:22 - 10

I just went R/Mo for a bit of temporary farming, I might go R/E soon to check the benefits.

6 Healing Prayers
11 Smiting Prayers
7 Expertise
5+3 Wilderness Survival
7+1 Marksmenship

Seems a tad useless but like I said, it's temporary

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

23 Jul 2005 at 19:23 - 11

hmm ill try with ranger/necro, and SleepeR i ment that the best group for going into the uw is a 4 mans trapper gruop.

Network

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

23 Jul 2005 at 20:24 - 12

I think rangers are boring. Escpecially in pve. Some are good in pvp.

powdahound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Troy, NY, USA

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2005 at 20:55 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Exactly :O Though I dont use expertise, just WS, marksmanship + BM No expertise?! Kind of a waste of an excellent set of skills, let alone the energy benefit...

Calnaion Blackhawk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

England , Wiltshire

[mB] Mental Block

E/

23 Jul 2005 at 21:15 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktadie

what is better than a 4 person trapper gruop in UW?
(let me give you a hint, no ONE ehhe) A very good solo monk build i know, or just a 5 ranger 3 monk team

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

24 Jul 2005 at 10:08 - 15

that wont be good if you want good drops

Gedscho

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

the Zen Men

Mo/W

24 Jul 2005 at 17:29 - 16

in my guild, i promote people to officers, just to make me able to degrade em again, in case they say that rangers suck.

Plommon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Sweden

Shiverpeaks Wolves

N/Mo

24 Jul 2005 at 19:59 - 17

really the only preofessions that can fend for themselves are monk and necro (or both

)

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

24 Jul 2005 at 23:26 - 18

ehhe, wow this has already become a flamy thread

Arri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

A/W

25 Jul 2005 at 03:30 - 19

a R/E can be good in PVE and PVP if you use it correctly, yesterday I took the premade R/E (with enchant fire) and won 10 in a row with a PuG, not really saying I won those matches, im just saying seeing a ranger pindown you, then hit you for like (10, 15, 20, 13, 8, 5, Kindle arrows + greater conflag + enchant fire ftw!!!!) would pretty much freak you out..Seeing that you'll be hit that much /or more/ every few seconds when dual shot recharges, it isn't pretty

Dame&Beast

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Death Comes Swiftly

Me/E

25 Jul 2005 at 15:26 - 20

Rangers are awesome

Nothing beats conjure flame+ barrage...... Nothing beats traps either...Rangers have the best of both worlds...we can trap ya or shoot ya...Now tell me whats better then that

Now, me I would never want to meet a Ranger in a dark alley....

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

Me/

25 Jul 2005 at 15:33 - 21

we are definitely underappreciated.

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

25 Jul 2005 at 16:48 - 22

yep like i said, RANGERS ROCK!

Izzy Izumi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/N

25 Jul 2005 at 17:46 - 23

My Ranger does not Rock. I see him as more of a New Age guy. Or even Jazz.

I definitely go all Ranger, now that I'm further in the game. I see no use for my Necro secondary, to me. It'll just be spreading points for one skill in my skill bar to make it effective. However, I still use a necro skill every now and then, just for the fact that I don't know what to put for one of the slots. I just usually fill it with Storm Chaser if I'm running around a large map.

The only thing I don't like about Rangers, it's hard to decide how you want to go about things. Too many skills do too many cool things that I can't decide if I want WS, Marks, or BM.

As of this moment, I believe I have:
10 +1 +1 Marksmanship
10 +3 Expertise
6 +1 Wilderness Survival
4 Beast Mastery
and a Major Rune of Vigor

Sofia Sofia Sofia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

25 Jul 2005 at 19:46 - 24

Sorry, but a ranger with no points in secondary is... not all that great.

As for the whole beast mastery points to buff up tiger's fury... not a smart move. Tiger's Fury is an elite worthy skill no dout but it has it's limitations, short duration and the forced recharges on your other skills.

R/W is... in debate, but I agree it has limited possibilities.
R/E, probably the most popular setup. It's straight forward, basically the ranger shoots arrows that are laced with a preparation and a buffed up with a conjure elemental. Or they can try the Mark of Rodgort trick.
R/Me, offers a lot of interesting builds. Namely the fragility and the mind wrack builds. Hex breaker, and empathy complement the ranger's style well.
R/Mo, never tried it, probably limited, better than R/W at least.
R/N, never even looked into it. Necromancers remind me of Goths, never be a necro.

Poison Archer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

25 Jul 2005 at 21:14 - 25

Yo, I gotta ranger monk and the only reason I am is because the monk begginer quest was easy. Plus just like Marcus, the only monk skill I use is rez. RANGERS RULE!!!!

But I still need help getting to the ascalon settlment.

monkeyink

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Stand In Arms [SIA]

E/Mo

25 Jul 2005 at 21:25 - 26

I recon I'll jump on the bandwagon too. I'm building my first ranger (went the R/Me route) and I think I'm actually gonna end up utilizing the secondary. I did however recently reach lvl 13 and pumped Marksmanship up to 11 to meet the req's of my max damage bow and holy hell do they output some with an arrow.

Couple that with the interuptions and preparations and you got yourself a nice build. I definately won't be going the BM / Tiger's Fury route. Seems like a waste of points to me. Still though...having a great time with the ranger so far.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

25 Jul 2005 at 21:31 - 27

Beast Mastery/Tigers Fury is a specialty skill/build....I use it but only when my ranger buddy and I are spamming poision arrow / ignite arrows...it does a LOT of damage....other than that I'm a trapper....

Rangers are a jack of all trades master of none...if you enjoy getting a little piece of everythingt he ranger is a great class.

Izzy Izumi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/N

25 Jul 2005 at 21:32 - 28

Of course, with a R/Me/Mo/Ele/Ne the Beast Mastery build for Tiger's Fury is NOT a good way to go. The secondary attribute of a Ranger is dependent on the buffs that the secondary provides. Thus, it's hard to use Tiger's Fury in a build that depends on recasting buffs, hell, I find it annoying, and I only cast Kindle/Ignite every 30 secs. However, with a primary Ranger, focusing only on Ranger bow (so, not trapping) skills...I find it odd for someone *not* to use Tiger's. It puts us in par with the staffs as far as RoT...much better than 2sec/shot.

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

R/N

26 Jul 2005 at 11:46 - 29

barrage + 13 marks + 5:1 vam bow = OWN4G3 !! hehe

TheStonedOne

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Netherlands , Amsterdam

The Core Supremacy

R/N

26 Jul 2005 at 11:53 - 30

So fun on a ranger to see monsters or players run in 6 traps and see there hp drop like crazy , add some poison for de xtra degen , and they mostly down b4 they know what happens

zeeke

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

divine redemption

W/Mo

27 Jul 2005 at 02:11 - 31

i made a ranger and all, a ranger/mes at that.. but i'm having realy hard times getting groups for the low end missions and solo is not possible for me i got a nice bow and alot of stats in marksman ship any suggestions? my main is a warrior monk so its a whole new game really

Izzy Izumi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/N

27 Jul 2005 at 03:18 - 32

Rangers are hard to party with, speaking from experience. Not that we're not GOOD, just that we're somehow not WANTED. Unless it's UW. At that point, any Ranger gets invited because people assume that any Ranger taking a pit stop at ToA is a Trapper. =]

Puddin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Wouldn't you like to know

Pretty Horsies Arouse Greatly

R/

27 Jul 2005 at 06:25 - 33

Most rangers suck. I dedicate half an hour a day to destroying said rangers in competetion arenas, yes, it usually costs my team a win, but damn it's worth it.
Yes, I am a ranger. The second I see the dude in scale armour with the level 18 wolf using flame trap before putting down favorable winds, I know my target.

Flamingpeanut

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

R/Me

27 Jul 2005 at 06:43 - 34

I'm not sure what my build is, I haven't changed it in so long =)
I think it's:
Marks: 11
WS: 12
Expertise: 9
Illusion Magic: 9

Basically, I can use Poison and Phantasm for 9 bars degen on the enemy, Troll Unguent for 9 bars regen on me, and then pop in kindle arrows + power shot/dual shot for the 20 points of damage per hit. And if the warriors look at me I have Whirling Defense to keep them off me while reinforcements arrive.

Not to mention if I need to, the WS makes a good trapper and Marks means Barrage is effective for PvE.

Tell me Rangers suck NOW

Puddin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Wouldn't you like to know

Pretty Horsies Arouse Greatly

R/

27 Jul 2005 at 06:53 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingpeanut

I'm not sure what my build is, I haven't changed it in so long =)
I think it's:
Marks: 11
WS: 12
Expertise: 9
Illusion Magic: 9

Basically, I can use Poison and Phantasm for 9 bars degen on the enemy, Troll Unguent for 9 bars regen on me, and then pop in kindle arrows + power shot/dual shot for the 20 points of damage per hit. And if the warriors look at me I have Whirling Defense to keep them off me while reinforcements arrive.

Not to mention if I need to, the WS makes a good trapper and Marks means Barrage is effective for PvE.

Tell me Rangers suck NOW You suck!

Xeno Blueriver

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

Municipal Force Daitenzin

R/Mo

27 Jul 2005 at 15:52 - 36

A huge part of being a ranger is patience, but some people can't do that. I've been in UW trapper group where some rangers have a trigger finger, or just want to get things over with and it causes us to be completely owned.

And yeah, I'm a R/Mo and the only monk skill I use is rez, as well.. I tried smiting a bit to be anti-monk but got pulled back to using mostly ranger skills.

And, of course we don't get picked as much. We're always behind the crowd doing things that most people can't see or comprehend. We aren't in the front pummelling or healing.

I hope that the expansion has a huge lot of cool new Ranger skills, we would rock even more if in PVP we could go completely invisible to radar for up to 10 seconds, or based on expertise. Our clothes are designed to look like camouflage anyways.

Enigmatics

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tenafly, NJ

Defenders of Rillanon

W/Mo

27 Jul 2005 at 17:48 - 37

Single Mo/W can solo the UW. Rangers cannot. If you'd like to make a pure ranger, you're missing out on overall damage and useful secondary skills. Using around 100 attribute points to boost wilderness survival to level 12 is adding 20 fire damage. Using the same attribute layout to get 9 fire magic and 9 wilderness survival is adding 26 damage. There are multitudes of useful skills that benefit parties greatly, with a minimum amount of attribute points invested. Most people that are mindlessly deifying rangers here don't know what they're talking about; as rangers are the class most picked by newcomers to guild wars. Rangers can be very powerful, or incredibly annoying to casters, but thinking of the ranger as a class that should spread points into every attribute is only increasing the mentality that rangers are mediocore support characters with little to benefit the party they join.

7 days of storm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Turn around...

the spoils of war

R/W

28 Jul 2005 at 19:22 - 38

RANGERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!how do i d-feat the doppleganger with a R/w tho??

carnivore

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

28 Jul 2005 at 19:28 - 39

depends. if ur melee the i dont know. but if ur a bow ranger than bring ignite arrows, dual shot, and throw dirt. when the fight starts hit ignite arrows, throw dirt, and then for some reason, the dopple ganger will take out an axe, now all u have to do is dual shot him to death

Arri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

A/W

28 Jul 2005 at 19:30 - 40

R/W vs. doppleganger, did you even try it? :P