runners in random 4v4 arenas

something must be done to prevent morons from extending matches way beyond reasonability when they have no chance to win

unlike in team arenas or tombs, you cannot prepare with your other teammates to make sure someone has something to keep a person from constantly running

therefore they should add a timelimit in which if theres only one person alive, they automatically die allowing the other team to win after a given amount of time
or even a time cap at like 20 minutes in which the team that got the least kills will automatically lose -no reason at all for a 4v4 match to go beyond 20 minutes anyway

If there's 1 person left alive on the other team, and more than one person alive on your team then you should be able to corner a runner.

Also, pretty much everyone gets access to something that can cripple or slow...if you hate runners so much, then use such a skill.

i've said this many times before concerning runners in pvp

i love em , there's no better feeling then watching a pindown (done with a flatbow no less) tag a runner who was just barely in range and watch it fly ~150 feet with that spiffy glowing arrowhead

I Disagree, What is the point of counters if its done by itself anyway? The way I see it, If your team cant stop a player (Even if its 4vs1) the other player has just as much chance at winning than you do (None)

Ontop of this, Player will not learn to adapt useing the skills availible to them if you insist on tossing a Nerf or Restricton on anything your team dont have a counter for on there skill bars.

You read my mind Your team is going nuts because they can't kill that last scum bag, so, you stop, prepare your arrows, check the winds, track your target, and let fly an arrow from attop your peak, and watch as your prey goes from fleeing anoyance, to lost cause. Priceless.

Although I have to say iv done the running thing a few times before, the second time I ever fought in the Ascalon arena I won a 2V1 by running from one opponent and slowly killing the other.

I was on your team today when this happened. thought i'd say my 2 gold pieces.

first off moderate running is fine by me cause there's the chance you can get around and rez your teammates and start the fight all over again. But when your whole team quits and your by yourself whats the point of running? its just another form of grief because there is no way to win 4v1.

On a side note today when we were in there with this runner when he died i hit him twice for 204 damage, regular attack with a hammer nothing special. How the heck did i hit him twice for that high on a regular attack?

Shui

First off, I want to say that I hate the runners that do nothing but run just to grief as much as anyone. However putting a timer is a bad idea. There's been plenty of times where it took forever to kill 2 monk teams even after teammates dying a few times.

I wouldnt want to be punished just for staying alive long enough to finish off the rest of the team. I dont know what the solution is though, the grief runners tend to waste everyone's time...and the random arenas certainly don't need more crap.

Now I do agree that runners sometimes can be annoying, as a Ranger I do my fair share of it. If I SEE I have no chance I'll sit down, tell them I won't extend it, and let them kill me with no running. One occasion where I felt it completely nessacary to run was: I was in PvP, playing a trapper, was up agianst two W/Mos Anyway, they started off with the usual "You run like a bitch" "Newb Ranger" etc. I felt the need to put them in their place. After awhile of running trapping I finally shut them up. After 40 minutes, yes 40, I had laid flat each of their newbish W/Mo asses. Now I do agree that there should be some sort of way to prevent the runners, but what about people in my case? Who wants to show that as one person, they can take out the other team and proooove something?


Also, Gnome above me has an excellent point. I was once in a 55 minute battle ( I was on a 4 monk team..As my monk) and the other team just couldn't manage to kill us, a timer isn't fair to them is it?

From what I have read.. when you are running and get hit (I assume this means for melee attacks only).. the attack hits the leggings of your armor (may be irrelevant) and also hits for a critical strike (100%?)

As for this idea... I think it is awful and I highly doubt we will see some sort of time limit. What if it was still 4v4 for 18 minutes and I hold out, slowly getting over to my teammates to res by 19:50 and I lose to a time limit... absurd....

-Cole

A timer would be a horrible idea. I could see it now, 3 E/R 1 M/R team. Poison and spike your way to 1 kill and run for the rest of the time. Adding a timer would only help the runners and add more griefing.

I love running.... when I do it. Currently my personal record for running is 50 minutes and some change (that was against a team of 3 people) which ended after 2 of them lost the will to go on and went afk, giving me the opportunity I needed to snatch victory from the maw of defeat.

A friend of mine once ran for 90 minutes... that one was epic. And he won. Goon Gumpas, you are a beautiful man - who runs really fast.

Anyway, I view it as a Battle of Wills and I'm deadly serious about it. When I'm running for teh win, I'm so professional it's ridiculous. You'll hear no smack talk from me, you'll see no turning around and taunting (unless I'm positive I can get away with it) and I always keep my eyes on the road. Running for teh win is a Battle of Wills which I never intend to lose. And so far, I haven't. Go ahead, try clumsily to body-block me. My Deion Sanders moves are way too slippery for your laughably ineffective attempts at obstruction!

As for you poor victims of running for teh win, keep in mind what you're doing there. What are you trying to prove? You have nothing to lose but time, and if you're up against a good runner like myself, you will have to wait me out because you will never kill me. Let go of your masculine ego; there's no shame in quitting. Hell, it can save you a lot of time! You've got to ask yourself just how bad you want that 10 faction. Is it really worth it? Keep in mind that I am a serious jerkhole and I want that 10 faction so bad I can taste it.

What amuses me the most about running is how as more time passes the other team becomes increasingly invested in winning. The first 15 minutes are full of angry jive-talking about my mother and my sexual relationships with my parents and/or siblings and/or pets, but they shortly run out of juvenile insults. After that they realize they've wasted 15 minutes and are even more keen to get their sweet 10-faction reward. The competition gets really intense after the 30-minute mark, because nobody wants to go home in defeat after wasting 30 minutes on this kind of pointless crap. But in the end, a good runner will always win, simply because he is more committed than you. His reward is not just the faction, but also the pleasure of knowing that he wasted your time and you got nothing for it.

So my advice to you: don't test me. It is my iron will that I get that 10 faction, and I just don't care how many laps it takes. Remember that you can end all of this by simply quitting. Why should ArenaNet change the system when you can put a halt to it yourself?

My advice is to goto the team arenas solo and do that, because you are griefing your own team when you run like that. Also, if you really wanted a challenge while running do the beacon's perch-> droknars run solo. The only thing the arena is designed to accomplish is to test the physical durability of the two teams involved, not the individuals at the keyboard. There is not enough people, points of interest, or victory conditions involved to really get into strategy. There isnt even enough terrain to make the movement interesting or the map large enough for positioning. It is the deathmatch, slayer, fragfest or whatever you want to call it of GW for all intesive purposes.

I beg to differ. When running, the arena most definitely becomes a test of the individuals at the keyboard. It is a Battle of Wills unlike any other in the game, where only sheer bloody-mindedness wins the day.

As to griefing my own team: no I'm not. They are dead and are more than welcome to leave if they don't want to hang around for the faction.

Nah you grief your own team, espeically in the random arenas where they dont have the choice to group with you or not and your build doesnt help anyone but yourself, so in essence you are wasting their time before they even realize its been lost.

Goto the team arenas solo and do it, if it is that enjoyable and see how sucessful you are.

Phew.. Battle of Will is correct

I was just in lv15 arenas.. Our team was on a roll, had about 15 wins. The one Mo/W left about one round before the Ranger decided "Wow you guys are great.. I am just going to go afk (and leech faction)".. so we won 2 or 3 3v4 and were on our way to another.. Lo and behold we had a runner against us.

The afk archer died early(wish we could post names of people here, I am assuming guilds is not allowed too), the replacement for our monk couldn't last long, and it was a situation of we cant kill the W/Mo if he runs Vs we both can't individually beat him 1vs1. This kid was the opposite of AadiD.. he thought he was gods gift to Earth I swear. It is team arenas and I came to fight. He was happy to show us that we couldn't beat him 1v1 but if it was 2v1 he ran.

By about 40 minutes we decided to just talk in team and not feed his pathetic ego. We made some attempts to 1v1 him (usually me) and I always had to run. Thank god for defy pain and plague touching his hamstring back on him. I think maybe my teammate wanted me to die so he could 1v1 him, but it seemed he was losing when he tried. I knew he was using the sword attack that gets stronger Vs an opponent under 50% health so I went to help when he got there. Of course 2v1 he would run... And the ending is we led him back into our starting area where the idiot AFK archer's pet was still standing alive. For some reason he decided to leave 65~ min into the battle. Scared of the pet? Sad nobody would talk to him? Got me but we did win.. Our team and our wills were stronger. Sure enough the next round, the archer is still afk and a team of 3 Nec and one Mes handed it to us.

It wasn't fun and I was pisssed off sure, but it was a good challenge.

::goes off to research how to make myself better anti-runner::

-Cole

Actually I have yet to use a specific running build - my experience has been entirely coincidental. That screenie of my 50:59 victory was in team arena, where I coincidentally was the last person alive on my team and had both bull's charge and sprint equipped. An obvious oversight on my part, but when I realized that the fit had hit the shan, I was ready to save the day with a brisk 50-minute jog.

My other running wins (had one tonight after 21 minutes) have been caused by me having a run skill when nobody on the enemy team does. When Goon Gumpas ran 90 minutes for teh win, it was because he happened to have troll unguent and storm chaser equipped.

I don't enter pvp intending to run for teh win, but if that's what it comes down to, it's on like donkey kong.

You have more skills for self preservation than that, otherwise the incidental damage and degen would get you over time. The troll unguent and storm chaser example is a bit closer to truth. When you examine the run speed boosts on characters that are designed to fight from range, then it becomes more of i care about me situation rather than the team. Warrirors need them, to a degree, to reduce the downtime from range, but cripple and slow hexes are far more effective in most situations as they reduce the total seperation distance, which is not dependant on the attack animation finishing.

I think if the runner has no res equipped or if he/she has already used their res signet then it would be fair to have them just drop dead after 10 minutes or so of griefing.

As things are though and how the game is designed I can see how people enjoy playing the game 'their' way (griefing or whatever..). Fortunately I've never had much problem with griefers as I usually have a way to either interrupt/slow/drain them or heal my teammates who are pursuing them.

Maybe I've never run into an expert runner? They all seem to die within 10 min if they can't rez their own team.

As for myself griefing in that way, I probably could prolong a match pointlessly but I don't enjoy that so if I can't rez I dance in place & congratulate the winning team as they cut me down.

Quit whining and use water magic.

Hmmm seems like your post is pretty contradictory and hyprocritical to me. What exactly are YOU trying to prove when all you're doing is running? You're wasting your own time too.

The opposing team may not be able to kill you at all, but obviously you can't kill them either or you wouldnt be running. So why aren't you "letting go of your masculine ego" then?

I'm all for running when you just need time to regroup or to get a rez off or just kiting and fighting your opponents. But when you're just running to outlast your opponents, you're no longer playing the game as it was intended. You're just being stupid and feeding YOUR own ego and griefing.

It's not a "Battle of Wills", it's a battle of whoever is stupid enough to waste their own time...and it seems like you're the champ.

Personally, if I encounter a runner that keeps running for more than 5 minutes I just leave now. Not my fault he's such a bad player and can't fight.

i dont know bout running, although i have done a bit in my time, but i have much more fun blinding. Oath Shot coupled with Throw Dirt and Whirlin defense (yes im a ranger) with some side healin kept me goin against two warriors toe to toe and some spell casters in the background for nearly five minutes. Essentially this falls under the same category of running since its all about postponing death for as long as possible when u obviously dont have a chance of winning.

They were all up for it and enjoyed it. Eventually they worked out what i was doin (although they must of been stupid to not recognise that combo sooner) and interrupted me. However, i have figured out a counter so that could be funny to try again.

Basically it goes like this - no one was slagging me off (both teams), they all njoyed the sight of two warriors never layin a finger on me and it was a laugh. Whoever gets bored or thinks im wastin their time can leave. PVP in arenas comes and goes, i just think stressing about it takes away the enjoyment value.

Of course you can win in a 4v1 situation.

The opposing team can't kill you and you (probably) can't kill them. It's then a battle of patience if you don't have the skill to take the loner out.
I have been there.

We couldn't catch him..round and round and round and round...he disconnected...we won.

On the other hand, the team with all players alive could get so p1553d off and leave him with a victory.

Skill people...nothing else matters until the stalemate. All battles can have stalemate situations, but patience is a virtue.

If you haven't got 4593 consecutive wins, what is there to lose by disconnecting? If you do have 4593 wins in a row, you probably have more stamina than that pesky runner.

I only run when my whole team were killed except me, and the other team are saying things like "RoTfl! You n00bs lol!" Its so fun watching them go crazy shouting abuse at me while attempting to kill me

If you think you are a victim of running, you are really a victim of not having a snare. And yes professional runners can sometimes res quite a few people and end up winning. A well timed res can turn the tide.

If you do not have the skill to take out a runner, don't enter the random arenas.

Please, please, please no time limit. That is simply rediculous. Even though I personally never run (I don't find it enjoyable), I absolutely love beating the crap out of runners. I always take pindown and direct my team.

Also, a time limit could affect legitimate teams. I was in a random arena fight where both teams had two monks. The fight lasted an hour (literally. There was no standoff, everyone was in the same area the size of an aggro bubble, focus firing, and still nothing happened), and the only reason it ended was the other team gave up.

There are plenty of crippling/slow hexes/knockdown skills for a variety of classes. They shouldn't ruin your build to take them.

I don't think ArenaNet should be obligated to add a timer to PvP matches when people decide to hold a contest over who is more stubborn. It's a simple matter to quit when someone is dead set on drawing out a match, especially when your party is unequiped to stop him.

Eh, I've been able to grief teams by just standing there as a protmonk indefinitely - lack of enchantremoval makes it possible. Same thing.

If the other team happens to be comboed so they don't have enchant removal, interrupts or snares amongst the 4 of them, then well damn - just quit ?

I don't see how it wastes my time when I spend so many laps giggling.