Reporting and banning?

I was scammed in a droknar run. and i was wondering if you can get that person banned for scamming/not paying.

I dunno but i was letting my friend play and the group went to UW. My friend takes off running aggroing all the atxe and the group was like your gonna get banned for screwing people up. I laughed needless to say.

I got scammed about 1 hour ago in lions arch ive sent emails and screen shots in doubt anything will happen.Funny thing is me and a guild member have followed him for the last 30 mins by going in the disticts and adding his name to the party then you know where he is ect.

Mark

ahh the old i let someone else play my character and they started doing stupid sh*t routine. nice try aristotle, at least you have one of your characters names posted. i can at least avoid that one if i see it around.

Dude thats why they needa give people like us jobs to watch out for scams like that and deal ith it there and then. Also Jus send prove of his scaming and his character should get banned. Also try not to trade with people that arnt ure friends they could be stupid.

where you the guy who was scammed for 1.5K?

A friend, antisocial and not talking to people most of the time, broke the habits of a lifetime and traded, buying a Sword for 5k, only to find it was customized. Of course it's something that should be considered when buying, but it sucks big-time. We shouldn't need banning - we should have the option to follow that player and smack him up and nick all his gear

Banning is actually hard without proof. In this case he could easily be fairly banned as my friend had an item saying it was customized for someone else. If transactions were logged on the servers it'd be easy for a mod to force the transfer back, giving the scumball his lousy sword and refunding my mates cash.

Shifty, isn't that your friend's fault for not checking it first?

Yes and no. 'Let the buyer beware' of course, but on the other hand someone advertising a sword knowing knowone else can use it is a deliberate con. Plus a lot of people don't know about customization being limited. That was the first trade he'd ever done with anyone and it never occured to him to check that was an issue, no knowing customized gear was no use to him.

People that get suckered by con artists in real life (say phoney Gas-men reading the meter will someone else nicks the video) can be thought of as needing to be more careful, but at the end of the day it's the con artists fault.

Anyone deliberately misleading people to make money, even on a game, is up to mischief isn't contributing to a fun, pleasant environment.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Your friend should have been more careful and will be in the future. That said, there is nothing wrong with selling a customized weapon because the customization doesn't keep you from salvaging it for raw materials. Sure you can't wield it, but it's pretty obvious when something has been customized, it's not like the seller could hide that.

I'd say if you are doing runs to Droknar's or anywhere, to ask for the gold upfront because of scamming. If they don't want to do it oh well. I guess that might also be a potential for scamming as well. A lot of people take half the gold half-way to Droknars and the rest when they get there. I guess there really isn't a fool proof way of doing it. Always comes down to trust. Sucks.

Though advertising "Sword 15-23 damage +Fire + blah blah 5k" without explicitly saying 'customized, cannot be used, only good for salvaging' is certainly being unfairly economical with the truth.

my 2 cents on this thread.....

Someone used an example there of a phoney gas man or something. That's not a good comparison. A better comparison would be a group of Cubans trying to flee to America(God knows why anyone would want to live in the states). One person says "take me too please". He pays for his spot on the boat and as he walks down the dock to board the boat, it suddenly departs leaving him stranded in Cuba and now broke.

Does anyone see the problem here? You are trying to pay someone for something that isn't really meant for you to do in the game anyway. As for scamming in trade, I don't know how anyone can get scammed in trade as you can see what's in the window before you accept.

I myself hae been run to Droknars with my second character since I had the money to spend. Instead of getting scammed or scamming myself, I actually offered the person more than they asked for more incentive for them to not scam.

I feel that it's your choice to take out some of the challenge of the game by doing those drok runs, but you are still doing something in the game that really wasn't meant for you to do so if you get scammed doing it, you learn.

People that should be banned are botters, spammers and item hackers.

Just my thoughts.

I presume when you say being scammed for something you're not supposed to do, you talking solely about Running, right? Or are you saying people should be trading items and my friend wouldn't have got scammed if he wasn;t doing something he shouldn't have??

Running people to where they have not rightfully toiled to get is hacking them, an item, in game.

Running people past warp points for pay is clandestine economics ploy that is argued as being legit because "it is in the game". No, it is exploiting the code "of the game", just like "hacks, and bots", and is only "in the game" due to oversight on the part of ANET.

Semantics kill your arguments with your own comments.

Lol... First rule of Buying is look at the item before you buy it! Bottom like. As for being ran to the forge and getting riped off. Next time get a guildy to do it, or find someone that will except payment out side of the camp or outside of the forge. As an added note If you see a runner from the [TTT] guild you can trust them. They charge a standerd 2k do at Camp Ranik.

SOT if Anet didn't want this to happen, then why did they leave the pass open? They could have left it closed off like the Desert, but choose to leave it open for people to use it. Just because you don't agree with running doesn't make it wrong.

. tegrof; It's called FREEDOM something that a diluted socialist Canadian could never understand. [note to American bashing Canadians] The only reason your country has not been invaded and quite easily conquered is that you are LUCKY enough to be located next to the USA.. Think about that before you take shots at my country... If you can read this message thank a teacher. If you can read this message in english thank a soldier!!!

so ignorance is a valid excuse for stupidity?

*****SECTION DELETED BY tegrof TO AVOID A FLAME WAR*******

except this part....

RELAX...and if you need it in soldier form....RELAX MAGGOT!

As for the trade thing, your friend should have looked at the item before hitting the accept button. That's hardly being scammed. He had every chance to look at the item before giving his money away. He just made a mistake that he won't make again.

Yep, why don't you tell that to the thousands of blacks who secretly came to Canada to escape slavery in the US.

We Canadians do know thing or two about freedom.

So learn your history before you badmouth Canada.


Murat ...

ok ... this is getting VERY off topic.

I agree that there should be an ingame way to report people who are obviously scamming, it would help eleviate a lot of problems.

Thank you, Anya, for getting this back on track. I for one very much appreciate it.

Stay on topic, everyone. If there's a philosophical disagreement that isn't pertinent to the conversation, please take it to PMs.

(Waves his canadian flag proudly)

Anyway yes scammers need to be punished. My first time getting a run to Droknar, I waited and "LFG, runner to Droknar" for awhile and finally got invited into a group by a guy who was asking 1.5k for the trip. I told him I could only afford 500g which was true. Besides it all seemed a little fishy and I was being cautious. Of course as soon as we loaded into the game outside Beacon's Perch... he was gone. Luckly for me but unfortunatly for the others... I lost 500g while they lost 1.5k

My guild leader was on the next day and ran me for free... WHEE!!!

Anyway after seeing how hard the run was... offer to pay upon arrival, anyone who appreciates the run will pay and not scam simply because of how happy they should be someone could run them there...

Please, please, learn some history. I say this as a former soldier and lifelong history buff. Out of the 2 countries you speak of, the only one to be invaded is NOT Canada. The idiotic notion that Canada would be conquered were it not for us on their border is just silly. How is it possible that Australia and N.Z. have managed to stay free, a lot more free than we are these days? On the other hand, would you really clasify Mexico as "free"? What do you think would happen if they elected a Comunist government? How free can they be if they have to live in fear of the U.S. invading them?

Think that can't happen? Before President Clinton, for the last hundred years, there was not a single 4 year period that did not have the U.S. invading some latin american country.

One of the congressional republican leaders Rick Santorum recently tried to blame the priest molestation scandals on "liberal Boston", as if liberals were on record as aproving of child molesters, and as if the priests needed some republicans to tell them molesting children was wrong and couldn't figure that one out for themselves. The most horific part of his tirade is that not a single republican told him to shut up.

We have Ann Coulter claiming on national television that being a liberal is treason, we have Karl Rove commiting crimes (and I for one consider exposing a cia agents identity to punish her husband to be true treason) and the president backing away from his promise to fire anyone was found to be responsible. We have war crimes commited by this administration, IN OUR NAMES.

If you havn't actualy been anywhere, if you have no idea how much more or less free we are compared to the rest of the world, could you possibly wait until you have a bit more experience and knowledge before you spout off?

Please? Service to your country would also be nice, and would set you apart from the vast majority of republicans, who talk the talk but almost never walk the walk.

**sayshina==i see some years in between 73 and 81(more than the 4 you speak of) and i also see some clinton years in there as well. perhaps you should take your own advice and get some knowledge before spouting off. also interested in these war crimes you speak of? please offer specifics and not generalities, any history buff should know better**

Guatemala 1966-67 Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels
Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
El Salvador 1981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash; long-term result: 75,000 murdered and destruction of popular movement
Nicaragua 1981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution; result: 50,000 murdered
Honduras 1982-90 Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders
Grenada 1983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution
Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region
Panama 1989 Troops, bombing Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed
Haiti 1994-95 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup
Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Haiti 2004- Troops Removal of democratically elected President Aristide; troops occupy country

Sources:

Blum, William. Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventionism Since World War II. Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995.

Ege & Makhijani. "180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps" (History Division), Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982). Foreign Affairs Division, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress.

Richard Grimmet, Instances of Use of Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2001. CRS Report for Congress, 2002.

Grossman, Zoltan. Over a Century of U.S. Military Interventions. Self-published, revised Jan. 1, 1995.

Sklar, Holly. "Who's Who: Invading 'Our' Hemisphere 1831-," Z Magazine (Feb. 1990).

U.S. Congress, Committee on Foreign Affairs' Report. Background Information on the Use of United States Armed Forces in Foreign Countries. Washington, D.C.: 91st Congress, 2nd Session, 1970.

Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. New York: Perennial Library, Harper & Row, 1980.

Also see Zoltan Grossman, From Wounded Knee to Iraq (A Chronology of U.S. Imperialism)

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If a person is selling Customized weapons and knows that another character cannot use them, it's an attempted Con. If the other person does not know they can't use it, it's liekly a successful con.

Federal and State laws have upheld that if a person is selling a product or service with a false pretense, it is ILLEGAL. Courts have upheld that just because the person didn't know it wasn't beneficial or why, does NOT take any blame away from the Con Artist.

Read that twice if you responded on this thread with, "he should have known."

Let's say you own a customized 44 Magnum. You go out and buy yourself an Uzi. If you advertise your magnum and don't tell potential buyers they won't be able to use it, that would be illegal. You would have to have a "For Collectors only" or "for Display Only" or "For salvage only"

it's illegal for you to buy the Uzi....

and wtf are you ranting about? this is a game....and therefore not governed by the particular laws of a single real world government.

I'm not ranting. I'm pointing out that the argument that the buyer was just an idiot and gets what he/she deserved has never been and never will be valid. It is STILL the con artist that is to blame.

con032 and Mark64uk
It's your own fault for beeing scammed. NCSoft & Arenanet cannot restore lost items under any substances.


Regarding your Droknar run;

1. The game is ment to be played correct, not just rushing ppl.
2. If he/she says that he needs 6k for rushing you from to Droknar's Forge, don't trust them unless you know them. If it's your friend, tell him/her that you'll give him/her 3000 gold 2/4 of the way and the rest when you arrive.
3. If you ask me, I've never been rushed to Droknar before.
4. Play the game as it was ment to be played.
5. Good luck and have fun!

I disagree on running. Although I`ve never been run anywhere because I like playing the game. people have been getting run from one place to another since the first E3. If Anet didn`t want it in game, they`ve had ample time to make adjustments. Maybe it`s something they don`t want but don`t see it as that big a distraction from game play.

As I see it, I think of someone who wants to be run like a pioneer. Pioneers hired others to take them across mountains and through ruff terrain that they wouldn`t have gotten through on their own or would of had great difficulty getting through. Sometimes they got in the middle of the wilderness and their guides turned their guns on them and took their gold. So frankly if you want to be run, get run. I don`t worry about it as it doesn`t effect my game play in the least.

Personally i didnt use the service of runners for the first of my toons, i finished the game myself, with the help of friends and newly made friends along the way. By the time i got started with the third toon, finishing the game wasn't that important any more, i was more intrested in GvG, unlocking items, runes etc. so for the third and forth i did use runners, and all of them have been " running for tips" so even told me not to worry about it. So in regards of the acts of inscrupable people..... i dont agree with get rich quick gimics, money pyramids and such............ but there will always be Fox looking for a Chicken...........so just be carefull. And like in the movies just becuase the bad guy has been shot and is on the floor, u dont go and turn him over... u unload your gun in him, reload and unload the gun again.
so summing it up " be careful"

Couldn't find an older thread to resurrect?

No not really, i looked and like this one.