Droknar rushers in early arenas

When are they making an expansion for this game? When they do they should make more level tests to cut out the riff raff, such as you have to be level 15 at least to make it droknars, like the Ascension test. Just fyi i did run to Droks but i dont do PvP, if you are low level in GvG i think you should have good armor.

Well it's wrong to have someone rush you to get it (the armor) IMO. If you could get there by yourself or a group of level 12's that would be arnother thing. I'm not saying that it isn't a challenge to play a character in that area, not if you don't have another lvl20 character to drag you around.

See above, I never said it wasn't...
The game is boring for you sorry to hear that, it's pretty much boring for me too. I suggest moving to a new game if you feel it is that boring. You can pick up GW and continue anytime you want. Getting rushed to get the best armor just so you can see the same things again doesn't sound too exciting.


That is probably true, hence the reason to level restrict armor

Like I said, it was shortsighted of the game makers to expect hardcore players to be content to reach lvl 20, and PvP especially considering they need to repeat things to get all the skills. Honestly I've pretty much stopped myself so it really doesn't bother me a whole lot, so if they allow it... whatever makes you enjoy the game.

We seriously need an armor level cap and a skill aquisition cap for the low level PvP arenas.

I can easily afford a run to Droknar's Forge to buy armor and skills but I don't think I should be able to enter arenas for under level 20 if I do so. When I create new characters I like to enter Ascalon and Yak's Bend Arenas to play with characters of similar level.

I just got so frustrated in the arena at Yak's because of players with Droknar's armor and elite skills because of the blatant abuse of some of the players. I had so much fun with the few even matches, but got so annoyed when my team would get rolled by a team of level 13's using elites and 15K armor.

I have played a few characters pretty far in the game and don't think I could buy 15K (or even Drok's) armor by naturally progressing through the game by even lelvel 15.

I beleive an AL cap should be set for these arenas. By all means I think the armors should be available to those who can get them, but the AL should be adjusted according to the arena.

Also I think elites should be reserved for the leve 20 arenas.


My $.02

OR, you do it the smart way and make one character and unlock every secondary for it and go cap all the skills. I met a necromancer who had used his one character to unlock every skill in the game. His other 3 slots are PvP.

That's really not the "smart" way, as playing through 3 characters will get you the skill points and skills you need from quests much faster than trying to get enough xp to buy out the other 4 professions on only one character.

I have suggeted this in a seperate thread, but here it is again

It would be great if there was a PVP arena that was redoable in Pre seering (naturally with with lvl Cap). That way, the beginners will have a safer area in which to battle in.

A Pre searing arena is great idea.

Also, how far do you was to do? What if a person makes it to Yak Bend or even to LA by lvl 10 and makes use of all those skills and armor. You ppl would be making the same argument. "No he's using LA skills and Yak's Bend Armor They should put a cap this everything."

I say let it alone. Here's my point if they change one thing they will make something else go out of balance. Anet will then be constatly changing the game. Just look at this past summer: they nurf one spot, ppl find another one. They nerf that spot ppl find another one. Same thing with skills. Meanwhille inflation is taking over like a son of a gun.

But I know there will be some one who disagrees.

In real life look at sports. Look at all the steroid witch hunt that is taking place. The latest scandal is using asthma medications. Some athletes have asthma inhalers to open thier lungs up so they won't die from suffocation will running or whatever. Well, athletes without asmtha are now taking these drugs, hoping they will open up theier lungs even more that it would an asthmatic. And certain athletic boards are considering a band of these inhalers. If passed, he athletess who truly need the medicine are just out of luck. I know this isn't the best analogy, but it makes the point that nerfing one thing only causes more nerfs.

If lvl caps are put on armor, get ready for another economic crash like we experienced last summer. One big force in driving the economy in GW is the runners and dronks armor. Destroy that and you will destroy part of the economy. Even if they did those ppl would find another way make cash and Anet would nerf that also.

At any rate, Pre searing arena should be the noob arena not Ascalon. The second you enter Post you go pro. Noob time is over. I mean the whole Pre searing is devoted to PvE you get one shot at PvP in Pre, that's stupid.

They should put in a lobby/waiting area for the presearing PvP arena just like the rest of the Arenas. Set a max lvl 8 and ppl will enter Post much better prepared for the whole game. Of course they should have the choice to go on once they complete thier first match.

Joining the Academy should be more than one PvP match and running through a cave. There should be PvP quests such a Calling targets, pulling, etc.

At any rate, good suggestion, Roupe.

The only thing they really need to do. Just like any other mmorpg. If you zone to the next zone you zone, if you don't, you don't. None of this stand at the zone and wait for your level 20 friend to zone you. That's the problem with this game and the issue with runners. Take away that zone because I zone and am in your group feature and that solves all the running and droks armor and any armor exploits. You'll never get it without playing the game yourself and not letting someone else play it for you.

My second character was monk - I got taxi on <10 lvl to Droknar's and bought new armor. i think its just a waste of cash to buy weaker armors... I tried once to play on Ascalon Arena - 1 win, and its not really funny to dance in puddle of mud and laugh at foes.

What do you mean? Please explain further.

/signed in blood.

But this ISN'T like every other MMORPG. Anet's entire marketing plan has been centered around making this game NOT like any other RPG.

Anyway, I'm tired of this piss old argument. Sonya we all know how you feel about runner. Fine. So be it. This argument over runners is about as old as the game itself.

I personally think the way runs work is perfectly fine. With the method to do individual zoning...this game would be god-awful. I mean, Say you die 3 feet from the zone, but your friend gets through? Oops, you don't zone because you didn't make it.

Anyways, I think that armor should be restricted to the level of the arena it's used, up until LA. Basiclaly Ascalon Arena shoudl restrict players to ascalon armor, and Yaks should restrict to Yaks armor (or before). That way no tweaking of characters could happen.

Just saw that what I posted was basically the same as what TGgold posted.. Whoops!

Well, people could still get elite skils and max dmg weapons. The build is where all the tweaking is. If most ppl in Asclon and Yaks have Dronks armor then the battle field is pretty level.

I still vote for a Pre searing arena. That's the only way to keep it fair.

The thing that doesn't make sense is having a lvl 6 person in droks... They go and get droks armor, go into asc- arena and just own everyone for factions... I really believe they should fix this too.

Just because many people do it, doesn't mean it's right. And I don't know if "most" is a good assumption here anyway. What about the new players? The ones who just came through the Academy for the first time and are excited to try out some PvP in an arena specifically designed for low-level players. They may not even know what Droknar's Forge is, and certainly don't have the maxed out armor and elite skills.

The argument against this behavior in low-level arenas is not about running (at least not in my opinion). If people want to run, fine. My concern is for newer players who are trying to sample PvP and go in expecting a level playing field. They are quickly totally discouraged and develop a strong distaste for PvP right out of the gate.

I went in recently with a low-level monk equipped only with skills and armor I could buy in Ascalon. I was actually told by a teammate that I was a noob for not having the skill Rebirth. First of all, you cannot get that skill until the desert. Second of all, rebirth in random arena?

Anyway, I will continue to hope that ANet implements some method of discouraging this behavior in low-level arenas. I really believe it is unfair to newer players and other players who would like to compete with what they have at the time.

Some nice discussions here, let's keep it going.

If anet were serious about fairness in low lvl pvp they would make PvP more a part of Presearing (they are serious see the next paragraph). There is no pre searing trainging in PvP whatsoever. Pre is all PvE. If you want to keep it fair they should put PvP arenas in Pre.

I think that's why Chapter 2 has pre searing PvP trainging like calling targets, etc. I think Anet is listening. Chapter 2 seems to incoporate a lot of things that ppl have been complaing about in chapter 1.

But you're right about rebirth in PvP. That guy was a noob. If he knew what he was talking about he would have said get Vengence

This is discussion is the steroids scandals we've been hearing about in the news. Kind of funny how GW reflects real life.

Wait I just thought of something. This happens all the time in car racing. For instance drag racing has many divisions. Top Fuel guys dont' compete with the Funny cars guys. Different divisions to keep it fair.

This could be easily solved.
When your character arrives in beacons pearch, you are barred from entering ascalon arena.
When your character reaches LA, you are barred from Yaks arena.
When your character reaches Droknars, you are only permitted in level 20 arenas.
Easy fix.

Meeting a buffed up warrior with a max damage hammer in ascalon arena was what originally threw me off GW PvP, I can only imagine that the lameness is much worse these days.

That still won't stop anything. I would just use my lvl 20 warrior to go farm for max lvl weapon then put them in storage for the asclon character. With sup runes I would still be able to use max dmg, minimum req weapons.

Also, If a person make it to Yaks bend and use the additional armor set and skills there you guys would be complaining in the same way. Anet is putting PvP training into chapter 2. Take what you can get and be happy folks.

Besides, you can start out at max lvl right, via PvP char?

Once again I say Presearing should be the place to learn the basics of PvP not Postsearing.

It would eliminate droknars forge armor and elite skills, the weapon thing I guess is just too hard to plug.

I do however agree with you completely on the pre searing arena, having a low level arena, with no elites, no uber weapons, and no silly armor would seriously make for a great PvP introduction.

[When your character reaches Droknars, you are only permitted in level 20 arenas.
Easy fix.]

I agree with this idea 100%, if you've made it to Droknars then you should only be allowed in the lvl 20 arenas.

But, I will go onto say if you've made it to Lions Arch you should only be able to goto level 20 arenas and Yaks Bend Arena, because players would just goto the next step down in armor upgrades from Droks armor and then still head back to the Ascalon Arena.

So there would have to be blocking points for the first two arenas. BUT, and this is a big BUT, there needs to be a level 16 to 19 or 20 arena, because from what I've seen nobody wants anyone in the level 20 arenas except level 20's. I've seen them drop and ridicule and curse and call names to just about everyone who isn't level 20. Though they will tolerate level 19's for the most part. There was a level 12 ranger the other day in the level 20 arena, laffin, we killed him so fast.

At Poise at level 10 or below you're not going to have a whole lot of HP's to be using a superior rune of anything -75hps is a lot for level 10 and below. You'll be dead wearing "correct armor" before you could even swing it at anybody most likely. I'd rather take my chances on a max dmg weapon vs untouchable armor.

As much as people hate this unfortunately Anet has said they support running like Droknors for example. Yes, I agree Droknors armor/15k armor in lower level arenas is a plague that needs to be solved but eliminating Running all together is not the thing to do since its part of the Guild Wars economy. I really do like the Armor restrictions based on arena that would more than likely fix a huge part of it (also if u want to tear those Droknor armor people nothing is sweeter than smiting them to death had a 76 win streak before I droped and team went on to 92 with skills and armor from only around ascalon).

On the note of 3 characters to unlock everything. Yes, you can do that, but some people like to play different primaries which can take time.



Anyways, Yes something should be done to help prevent these kinds of end game armors in low level arenas

P.S. I would not reccommend running unless you have played thru the game multiple times otherwise. So for all you new players out there that may be reading this I beg please play thru the game first and also don't take the ascalon and yak's bend arenas too seriously they can be fun, but as you have read they tend to have a lot of high level armor in a low lvl arena situation. Most Importantly of all just try to have some fun.

~konohamaru~

whos the noob here?
the one that needs max armor and elites..
or the one that just started playing this game and that probably could still kick his ass?

I neeed a grotto runner and will pay 25k for that run

From previous thread, was told to place in an existing thread:

Since it's Anets stand that running is ok, but, that they might make it harder in some cases. I have an idea for the Droks run. Put some carefully placed npc's that cast imagined burden and lots of degens like life transfer and phantasm, maybe throw in a few energy drainers as well.

Imagined burden would be thrown by the initial npc's as the player gets within agro range. The 2nd stage would be the degeners with life transfer and phantasm at the end throw in a couple of eles to finish them off with lightning bolts and fireballs.

Then have one of the npc's scripted to go over and start dancing on the players corpse like players do in PVP.