Knight's Armor

Currently, Knight's Armor's damage reduction is not accumulative like Gladiator's energy gain.

I think it's a bug right now, so I hope NCSoft fixes this problem soon.

Ultimately, if it's not a bug (glitch), I would like to make the following suggestions:

1) Knight's Armor should have the chest piece at -2 damage reduction, while the other 3 at -1 damage reduction and these pieces should be cumulative if someone has multiple pieces, ie, a grand total of -5 damage reduction is attained when all four pieces of the Knight's set is equipped. (The Helm, of course, will remain as is.)

2) Knight's Armor's damage reduction should accumulate with an applied Rune of Absortion, ie, applying a Minor Rune of Absortion should give a -6 damage reduction.

I hope everyone understands and agrees with me.

Thanks

--Lu Cheng Ying (and no, this is not my real name...just my avatar! <g>)

damn, does that mean that my knight's armor + major absorption rune don't stack??? I feel so ripped off :'( fix this!!!!

It will stack. As far as I know, absorption runes will cover your entire armor. The reduced damage on a specific piece goes back to how you take damage on certain parts of your body, so if you buy a full knight's set, you will always have reduced damage -1 or -2 everywhere, but never -6 or so.

actually knights protection i think goes through your entire body. Knights i believe gives a -2 dmg reduction so if you wore knights boots then you would get -2 throughout. Put a sup absorb and you get -5 throughout. You only need 1 piece in order to get bonus. I am almost Sure knights does not stack

I think if you're only wearing knight's boots, you would get -2 for your feet but not anywhere else.

So far you all have somethings correct and others really wrong.

I've done the R&D with Hydras in Augury Rock.

Here're my trials:

1) Naked with +16AL Shield, Hydra knock me for -266 points
2) Helm with +16 AL Shield, Hydra knock me for -266 points mostly and some -67 points (hits to Helm)
3) Helm + Leggings +16AL Shield, Hydra knock me for -264 points and -65 points (Helm hit + -2 from Leggings)
4) Helm + Leggings + 16AL Shield + Chest piece, Hydra knocks me for -264 points and -65 points (so the -2 from chest piece & leggings are not cumulative)
5) Full Knight's + 16AL Shield, Hydra knock me for -65 points
6) Full Knight's + 16AL Shield + Major Rune Applied to Chest piece, Hydra knocks me for -65 points (means Rune's -2 is not cumulative to Knight's -2)

So, from my many deaths in R&D, I've concluded:

1) Knight's Armor's damage reduction is global (meaning you only need 1 piece of it)
2) Knight's Armor's damage reduction is not cumulative to absortion runes


So what good is Knight's armor other than asthetics? You're better off with Platemail with Major or Superior Absortion rune applied!

Ultimately, I think Knight's still has a bug. I would like NCSoft to fix it ASAP. I hope they take my proposal into consideration.

If they don't make the pieces cumulative, they should at minimun make the rune cumulative to the feature of each piece.

As of now, Knight's kinda useless. It's better with Platemail or Gladiator's with rune applied.

--Lu Cheng Ying

I guarantee that you will not see -5 reductions. I've done my R&D with Hydras and have to death counts to prove that you'll only get -3 reduction.

Runes do not accumulate with armor piece right now.

NCSoft needs to fix this!

Nope...any piece of Knight's armor makes you -2 damage reduction globally.

Interesting why they did it that way. Can the same be applied to other armors such as the various ranger and elementalist defense against certain elements? i.e. bring fur boots, studded leather vest, and drakescale gloves and you'll be resistant to almost all the elements?

oh i thought it was -5 with a sup absorb oh well i dont play war ;-)

I would suggest an alternative to the first point of your suggestion, incase a cumulative protection from multiple knight/ascalon pieces is undesireable: to reduce damage based on hit location, instead of using a global reduction effect. If you only wear boots, only hits to the feet get reduced by 2, etc.

As Lu Cheng Ying indicated, with major absorption giving similar results as one or more pieces of knights/ascalon, and with superior absorption giving better results than one or more pieces of knights/ascalon, there is no logical reason whatsoever to take even a single piece of knights/ascalon over gladiator (for better physical protection and energy on top of that) or platemail/wyvern (for better overall protection at the expense of some physical protection).

If it is intended that runes of absorption do not stack with knights/ascalon armour, there needs to be some re-evaluation of the effect of these armours; a full knights/ascalon set should at least provide better reduction than superior absorption to give an incentive to ever pick knights/ascalon. Alternatively, like runes of fury, absorption runes could just be removed from the game entirely, leaving knights/ascalon as the only damage-reducing options available, but even then it's still crucial to make sure people can't just get away with wearing boots or gloves and getting the same effect of wearing a full set.

Why is it such a problem that knights -2 reduction is global?
This is awesome! Just wear the boots and get Platemail every where else. You'll have -2 reduction plus the +armor given by platemail.

yea but Isnt it better to just wear platemail and then get a major absorb since absorbtion doesnt even stack with the knights-I think thats what lu cheng ying meant

Ok, ive seen how the knights armor works first hand and how the runes of abs. work, and they DO stack. However, the rune of abs. does not affect magic damage, but rather ONLY melee damage/physical damage(not sure if its only melee or all forms of physical damage).

WHat this means is that with ONE peice of knights which covers the entire body with its absorption, you would get a -2 to ALL forms of damage.
If you also have a Superior Rune of ABS. equiped, then to magic damage you still only recieve the -2 BUT to melee you get the stacked absorption of -5.\

I hope this helps clear things up.

So you're implying that the Absortion runes are only for melee and/or physical attacks, right?

If this is the case then, NCSoft needs to clarify this fact in the description of the runes.

Finally, I'll have to test if Platemail with and without absortion rune generate the same results when being raped by Hydras.

Thanks.

I think clarification is needed in a lot of areas still. The character screen should be expanded to cover the situation. It could have headings like:

Damage Reduction - X
+Health - Y
+Energy - Z

Hrmmm I dunno, I've found I last a lot longer against elemental attacks in Knights armor than I do in Gladiator armor. I'm one of those with two sets of armor now, since I found out people are switching armor in the middle of battles (if you can't beat them join them) heh. Anyways I start out with Knights armor since I most often always end up fighting casters of some sort or getting pounded by chain lightning eles. And when it's down to just melee left then I switch to Gladiators and have a field day with warriors and rangers. I have superior rune of absorption on both and it appears to me I'm getting pretty good reduction in Knights armor. Course I have a shield also with that -2 to damage and another +5 armor on my sword/axe.

bump

I would like this fixed along with any other armor that is broken in the same way.

I think they need to change a few things around with the warrior armors at this point. Maybe give me some incentive to use something other than gladiator's w/ knight's boots and my +1 to attribute cap, and stonefists if I happen to be running a hammer.

I would like to help out by offering an unrated guild battle just to test the melee side of knights armor.

Wouldnt be easy to parse, but maybe it could be averaged out somewhat.
Maybe use the damage over time method, like how long it takes to drop health in half or to 100 with non skill attacks with a white sword.

Also been looking for an unrated pvp ele battle for armor testing an elemental /bug.

Ascalon 15k boots should work exactly like the knights boots.

It makes Knights armor and Ascalon armor pretty much useless, because you only need one piece! The only reason you use them is you like the look of it!

Found that here:
http://www.guildwars.com/manual/comb...armor-faq.html

"Does armor stack?

Not in the strictest sense of the word. Each piece of armor protects a specific area of the body, so a full set of armor works together to protect your character. The benefit of any footwear only applies to the feet, and that of any chest piece only to the chest area. Armor with extra damage-absorption will absorb damage from attacks to a specific area of the body, so in that sense, it doesn't stack. Armor with a plus to Energy, on the other hand, will increase your Energy by the stated amount for each piece of armor, e.g., if your helm, boots, and pauldron all give +5 Energy, your total benefit is +15 Energy."

But that is completly wrong! The bold is how it should work in my opinion!

For the intent of clarifying this even more, Armor is not a Piece-to-Location system. What a P-t-L system means is that getting hit on the arm counts as an arm hit. This is completely wrong.
Armor is a global property, if ur not wearing gaunts, the enemy doesnt do MORE damage to your hands. This has been tested many times and in many forums has been talked about.

as stated in the manual. Each piece protects a part of the body.

You do not get global absorption for one piece of knights armor. You get the absorption only on the area you are wearing it. Look at it like padding within the piece. You have a solid hunk of steel on your chest(platemail) and a pair of steel boots with space and padding(knights). If you get hit on your chest you have a hard place for it to hit, thus taking less damage than normal, but no absorption of force. If you get in your feet, you take a little less due to padding as well as it absorbs a little. Each piece must be worn to get armor absorption on your entire body.

It makes sense that it works this way and not globally.

As for the getting hit in your hands does more damage if you are not wearing guantlets. This is true and not true. You get in your hands while not wearing guantlets and you take more damage than you normally would if you were wearing guantlets. The difference is that you take less damage in total because a hit to the hand doesn't hurt you like a hit in the chest or head does.