Article - REAL world of Online Farming for profit.

I'm really trying understand this point of view. This game is not a game thats been out for years where people have to play catch up. I get the impression that alot of people can't enjoy the game unless they have the best equipment right away. So it take a little longer to get everything, is that a bad thing?

..and if you say that it's because everything is nerfed now let me remind you who made it that way- botters...who are the chief offenders? You guessed it.

I'm not being argumentative I just don't understand

Its not about playing catchup. Any game that encourages farming encourages ebaying. Someone whos time is worth more than the money(say, a workng professional) buys the stuff, and someone whose money is worth more than the time(say, a student) farms the stuff.

Wait, why doesn't A-net tell Ebay to take down all the gold auctions?

edit: I think this kind of sweatshop is much better then sneaker sweatshops. I don't think much of the article. It doesn't really effect me. He even said the men and the boys don't mind their jobs.

Because its not illegal

I could make an auction with wordings to circumvent everything.

"Selling One Hour of My Time. I can get 100K GW gold in one hour, a fiery dragon sword +xx, a gold shield + xx etc. The items remain the property of NCSoft and ArenaNet and you are paying only for the time I spend in acquiring the said items."

I thought as much.

Nice article, but I don't really have a problem with this. If someone wants to waste real money for ingame items, it's their loss.

hang them hight

"Just a reminder.
As bad as Smooth Criminal or Sell might be: They have a market and a market always requires 2 sides: seller and buyer

Obviously there are enough people stupid/lazy/whatever enough to spend offline cash (does that term exist? ) for online cash.

So who are the bad guys? Buyers? Sellers?

My guess is: both"

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Just as an example, in America, the government does not employ each agent to keep track of each possible buyer of drugs. They go for the dealers because from 1 dealer stems hundreds and, in this case, sometimes thousands of buyers. Take down the dealer to take down the system, right?

"Do you want a reputation which will be taken seriously by your peers? Put down the mouse, step away from your computer, and write a check to a charity to show that you actually have some compassion for others rather than for yourself."

I partly agree. I would rather donate my time rather than my money, because God knows that it is not money that is needed, but people willing to give their time (as well).


PS - the in America comment is just in case it is different in other countries.

That's one way to fight that system.
But there are other ways too.
Tracking the dealers is not effective enough.
Esp. with drugs you need to destroy the market, by stopping buyers from buying.
Of course it's easier to fight drug-barons, but to quote a line from a Harry-Potter trailer: "You have to decide between what's right, and what's easy"

Its much easier to bust small dealers and their buyers than spend a lot of time discovering who's importing, distributing and marketing the product on the streets. If you take out the botters the economy won't recover due to the already present glut of gold, but it won't get any worse.

Woooo 4 dollars for 20 hours of play. I'm rich!

Ever heard of NcSoft? Thats the publisher for Guild Wars. All decisions relating to the game are always finalized by the publisher. Ever heard of Lineage 2? Another game from NcSoft. NcSoft covertly let other companies farm gold and sell it on Ebay. If I go into further detail you'd think I'd be paraphrasing the linked magazine article. NcSoft is a very unethical company. They don't care about sweatshops. They care about money. The relevance of this thread to Guild Wars is not known to all.

As some of you may know, Koreans have to pay a monthly fee for Guild Wars. As some of you may also know, NcSoft is a Korean company. NcSoft makes ArenaNet do whatever they want for Guild Wars. The last 3 months have made it apparent that NcSoft wants lots of pointless PvE. It is also very apparent that NcSoft wanted there to be as much grind as possible in PvE. The more time Korean customers spend on PvE the more monthly fees NcSoft rakes in. It's not totally ArenaNets fault that PvP is in despair, every decision has to be cleared by NcSoft. at least 90%of the developers time is forced on PvE material. NcSoft is no better with Guild Wars than it was with Lineage 2.

Many people are very frustrated at ArenaNet and especially NcSoft.
Hopefully ArenaNet has learned their lesson and will self-publish any future games because Guild Wars has been thoroughly flushed down the crapper.

So what you're saying is: While aNet tells us, that they're working their butts off to give us (europe, america) the latest updates, extensions, blahblah for free and that we should be sooo happy that we don't have to pay for it (which we are, of course ), they aren't really working for us, but for the much larger korean market?

i get no money playing 20 hours of play.. atleast they get money to play video games but its still a bad thing

i think that koreans get paid to own us in hoh

I wish I was Korean

Have you checked the updates page at guildwars.com? They haven't done anything except fix bugs for a month. They only significant update since release that I've actually cared about was the PvP rewards system, which is a ripoff of WoW and a joke in its own right.

I'm sure the devs are putting in their 40 hours/week but whatever they're doing isn't improving guild wars. Stealth nerfs, imbalancing buffs, and complete neglect to PvP are the first things that come to mind. And yes if you don't believe me look at your cd case for Guild Wars. I'm staring at mine as I type this and in the bottom right corner is the NcSoft logo. All the money for this is in the Korean market now that nobody has to pay anything until this "expansion" is released about two times farther down the road than originally promised. I for one am not holding my breath in anticipation of that.

You should ask yourself why people feel inclined to spend their hard earned cash to avoid playing a game. To avoid "having fun".

Don't blame consumers for design flaws.

I check every now and then, but basically it's boring, because all they do is advertise new wallpapers etc.

Also the emote-section in the online-manual is not at all up2date.
Emotes like /age /health /rank /petname etc. are missing completely.
Why have an online-manual that suggestes by it's name "online" to be up2date when it is not?

So for me, there's no need to check their home-page on a regular basis.

But I do read some of the threads around here, and members of aNet constantly post how they're doing it for us, how we should be so lucky we don't have to pay. They raise customers hope that "within a few days" certain "small problems" will be solved with "the best possible outcome".

All that talk about the hard work they do and us not having to pay for it, sometimes makes me feel guilty. Guilfy for bothering them with my non-profitable, small world, one-track-minded problems when they have bigger fish to fry.

But now I read that they're working for korea only and europe is just something like a 5th wheel.

We should be so lucky that koreans are paying for our updates.

...where do you think I could get a job playing games all day? I mean, other than the job I have at the mome... erm, wait, no, I never play games here! I mean, there. I'm not at work right now. Honest.

As people have said, it's not completely the sellers at fault. They've spotted a quick and easy way to make money, and they've taken it. If there wasn't a market for game gold, they wouldn't be doing it.

If a game is so lacking in fun-factor, one has to question why you don't simply put it away and do something else with your life. It seems to me that ploughing even more money into a game you're not satisfied with is just... well, daft really.

That's disgusting....