Why is sundering so expensive?
Deathlord
I still cannot figure out why the sundering mods are so popular (As in a perfect one can go for something like 70k). They offer a LOW chance to penetrate a small fraction of a persons armor which practically makes it a waste of a weapons slot. Math-Wise, even a max 10/10 Sundering mod will add 1% more damage to your weapon. IF there weren't any alternatives, then I could understand the purpose for this. Anybody else here think sundering is over-rated?
gosl
Maybe because most kids can't do math well and many has lots of gold? 
MCS
We call this SNS Super Newb Syndrome. SNS victims also find themselves paying 150k for a 30 life fortitude pommel when a 500 gold 5 armor pommel owns it in every way.
twicky_kid
just like when people use the 3:1 vapiric hilt on a sword. lets see i gain 3 hp per sec while attacking while i lose 2 hp per sec always......hhhhmmmm...ya that's really worth it
just like when people will buy a max def shield with +40 hp while w/e, when you can go to collector and get a max def sheild with +45 hp and -2 absorption.
since the collectors show what items they have i haven't bought a single sheild or weapon from a player. i get weapon from collector and buy upgrades to fit my needs.
here are the best upgrades:
+5 armor
20% dmg vs monster type
zealous (only for swords and axes)
elemental dmg (except earth) i've hit a ele with full pyro armor from drok with a fire hilted weapon and it did more than earth does with 0 resistance
+5 energy staff heads
20% enchantments (any class would be able to take advantage of this)
lengthen conditions is always helpfull especially cripple and deep wound
other than that i sell to dumb people
just like when people will buy a max def shield with +40 hp while w/e, when you can go to collector and get a max def sheild with +45 hp and -2 absorption.
since the collectors show what items they have i haven't bought a single sheild or weapon from a player. i get weapon from collector and buy upgrades to fit my needs.
here are the best upgrades:
+5 armor
20% dmg vs monster type
zealous (only for swords and axes)
elemental dmg (except earth) i've hit a ele with full pyro armor from drok with a fire hilted weapon and it did more than earth does with 0 resistance
+5 energy staff heads
20% enchantments (any class would be able to take advantage of this)
lengthen conditions is always helpfull especially cripple and deep wound
other than that i sell to dumb people
MCS
Um actually people use vampiric for the extra damage....
The Amazing Krandor
Out of curiosity, is there some sort of "price guide" that can tell you the current going rate for some of these mods? I have a bunch (including at least couple Zealous hilts) that I've been hanging on to for my own personal use. But if people are willing to pay big money for them, heck -- nothing's so "uber" that I can't live without it. Most of these mods make little difference anyway, so I have no problem parting a fool...er, happy customer...from his money.
Eonwe
It's expensive because idiots think it's good and will pay for it.
Blue Steel
Its expensive because every single bonus is pretty useless in the end, and won't make much of a difference, so people go for the status symbol of a perfect upgrade, especially when gold is meaningless and there is nothing else to do with it once you have 1.4 million.
People who spend more than 1,000 gold on a 9/10 sundering hilt or a +29 sword pommel are idiots, unless they are just buying to turn around and sell to a bigger idiot. Its not perfect or effective, so there isn't much point.
I do think that the +30 fort versus +5 armor is debatable (and debated it at length with Ensign yesterday). I prefer fortitude for warriors who have lots of armor and get attacked by mesmers/necros/smiting monks/elementalists a lot and armor for my casters who have less armor to start and get attacked by warriors a lot, but if you are looking for the cost effective alternative, +5 armor is indisputably the way to go.
If you use enchantments, a pommel of enchanting is a good option, or if you conjure the right elemental upgrade is important, otherwise, none of it really matters.
Just get something cool that will impress all the people who see it . . .
People who spend more than 1,000 gold on a 9/10 sundering hilt or a +29 sword pommel are idiots, unless they are just buying to turn around and sell to a bigger idiot. Its not perfect or effective, so there isn't much point.
I do think that the +30 fort versus +5 armor is debatable (and debated it at length with Ensign yesterday). I prefer fortitude for warriors who have lots of armor and get attacked by mesmers/necros/smiting monks/elementalists a lot and armor for my casters who have less armor to start and get attacked by warriors a lot, but if you are looking for the cost effective alternative, +5 armor is indisputably the way to go.
If you use enchantments, a pommel of enchanting is a good option, or if you conjure the right elemental upgrade is important, otherwise, none of it really matters.
Just get something cool that will impress all the people who see it . . .
Moltov joss
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Originally Posted by MCS
We call this SNS Super Newb Syndrome. SNS victims also find themselves paying 150k for a 30 life fortitude pommel when a 500 gold 5 armor pommel owns it in every way.
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500? I sold one of those last night for 7k lol.
Aaaaagh
Sundering mods are like The Buckle jeans. The Buckle is a retail store, its the only place my GF will shop. She pays 90ish bucks for a pair of jeans. She could go to Old Navy and get a pair of jeans for 20ish bucks. They would look as good, they would last, probably, nearly as long. But, she is a brat and *has* to have jeans from the Buckle.
They cost more, they MUST be better.
Same thing in real life with Old Navy and the Gap. They use the EXACT same textiles, but the Gap charges 2-3x more. Why? People (esp. Americans) are not rational when it comes to money.
Did I jump off topic? Hrm...
GO VIKINGS! Whooo hooo football season!
They cost more, they MUST be better.
Same thing in real life with Old Navy and the Gap. They use the EXACT same textiles, but the Gap charges 2-3x more. Why? People (esp. Americans) are not rational when it comes to money.
Did I jump off topic? Hrm...
GO VIKINGS! Whooo hooo football season!
Blkout
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Originally Posted by Blue Steel
I do think that the +30 fort versus +5 armor is debatable (and debated it at length with Ensign yesterday). I prefer fortitude for warriors who have lots of armor and get attacked by mesmers/necros/smiting monks/elementalists a lot and armor for my casters who have less armor to start and get attacked by warriors a lot, but if you are looking for the cost effective alternative, +5 armor is indisputably the way to go.
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I agree here completely, both have their purpose. One is not better than the other in every situation.
One and Two
why did mcs get banned?
Savio
One and Two, stay OT. MCS is banned because he's to 1337 for these boards, yet somehow he gets back anyway.
Krandor, LeviGarrett's baseline mod price guide is good, but a little outdated I think. It's here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=44867
Krandor, LeviGarrett's baseline mod price guide is good, but a little outdated I think. It's here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=44867
Seissor
Sundering is in demand because A: it works B: its not complete BS like elemental dmg upgrades and C: to get 10/10 is rare. How much you intend to pay for it is up to you.
One and Two
its expensive cus someone spammed it as godly.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Seissor
Sundering is in demand because A: it works B: its not complete BS like elemental dmg upgrades and C: to get 10/10 is rare. How much you intend to pay for it is up to you.
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B: Elemental damage upgrades + Conjure = more damage. Plus elemental bypasses physical damage reduction. I prefer other mods than Sundering and Elemental though.
Chief
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Originally Posted by Savio
A: It gives an approximate 1% AP boost. Compared to its price, it's not worth it.
B: Elemental damage upgrades + Conjure = more damage. Plus elemental bypasses physical damage reduction. I prefer other mods than Sundering and Elemental though. |
audioaxes
at least for pvp: what other hilt to use?
Seissor
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Originally Posted by Savio
A: It gives an approximate 1% AP boost. Compared to its price, it's not worth it.
B: Elemental damage upgrades + Conjure = more damage. Plus elemental bypasses physical damage reduction. I prefer other mods than Sundering and Elemental though. |
Many foes rangers and the like have armor bonus vs elemental dmg, I stripped all ele upgrades from all my weapons for all my players and replaced them with sundering, I deal more dmg now. But barbed and the like is more practical, but I dont use any skills to compliment it.
Chief
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Originally Posted by Seissor
Many foes rangers and the like have armor bonus vs elemental dmg, I stripped all ele upgrades from all my weapons for all my players and replaced them with sundering, I deal more dmg now. But barbed and the like is more practical, but I dont use any skills to compliment it.
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10 Furious give you the same, one of ten hits chance for double adrenaline
Do you use any of the skills below?
Barbed (bleeding) = Seeking Blade, Sever Artery, Desperation Blow
Crippling (cripple) = Hamstring, Desperation Blow
Cruel (deep wound) = Axe Rake, Axe Twist, Dismember, Eviscerate, Swift Chop, Gash, Desperation Blow
ayb
cruel = good for hammer warriors (crushing blow, desperation blow)
ever ask yourself why you're dating her in the first place?
simple answer to this thread: something is expensive because fools ask high prices and bigger fools pay it. i sold a gold max vamp fellblade for 149 plat, and i picked it up while out capping healing hands. a fool and his money...
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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh
Sundering mods are like The Buckle jeans. The Buckle is a retail store, its the only place my GF will shop. She pays 90ish bucks for a pair of jeans. She could go to Old Navy and get a pair of jeans for 20ish bucks. They would look as good, they would last, probably, nearly as long. But, she is a brat and *has* to have jeans from the Buckle.
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simple answer to this thread: something is expensive because fools ask high prices and bigger fools pay it. i sold a gold max vamp fellblade for 149 plat, and i picked it up while out capping healing hands. a fool and his money...
(reature111
i have to completely disagree. after almost a year or of playing this i realized making gold is 100x easier then finding really nice items cuz theres so many ways to do it, so i dont think most things are overpriced at all..0nly these freakin unidentified bs for 100k+
Red Sonya
Judges Insight is much better than sundering any day.
Hell Marauder
The best mod? Pay 10 g and have your weapon customized and get instantly +20% damage, no condition required. 
But I do agree that for a 10/10 sundering mod, high cost is justified for its rarity, not for its quality.
But I do agree that for a 10/10 sundering mod, high cost is justified for its rarity, not for its quality.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Chief
10/10 gives you one of ten hits with armor penetration.
10 Furious give you the same, one of ten hits chance for double adrenaline Do you use any of the skills below? Barbed (bleeding) = Seeking Blade, Sever Artery, Desperation Blow Crippling (cripple) = Hamstring, Desperation Blow Cruel (deep wound) = Axe Rake, Axe Twist, Dismember, Eviscerate, Swift Chop, Gash, Desperation Blow |
ayb
5 energy to bleed, cripple, weakness, or deep wound. yeah who would ever want to use that?
1 hammer bash + crushing blow = deep wound
2 desperation blow = bleeding crippled weakness (any would be good)
3 dwarven battle stance = interrupt any healing/condition spells
1 hammer bash + crushing blow = deep wound
2 desperation blow = bleeding crippled weakness (any would be good)
3 dwarven battle stance = interrupt any healing/condition spells
Kyle
People spend their life savings on sundering and fortiude's because they like numbers.
"WOW with this +30hp and my +45 shield i have xxx health. THAT IS SO MUCH IM GONNA LIVE FOREVER!!" says nub
"Oh yeah. well how much u pay for both of them?" says smart person
"about 200k. that shield was expensive." says nub
The 2 warriors go out into battle together as the nub is eager to try out his new gear that cost him an arm and a leg
"WTF WTF WTF OMG OMG OMG HOW DID I DIE SO FAST" says nub
"WHY ARNT U DEAD YET" says nub
"I have the extra 5 armor which if you do the math is better than you extra hp" says smart person
I would assume it will go something like that and one will run away screaming and kicking
"WOW with this +30hp and my +45 shield i have xxx health. THAT IS SO MUCH IM GONNA LIVE FOREVER!!" says nub
"Oh yeah. well how much u pay for both of them?" says smart person
"about 200k. that shield was expensive." says nub
The 2 warriors go out into battle together as the nub is eager to try out his new gear that cost him an arm and a leg
"WTF WTF WTF OMG OMG OMG HOW DID I DIE SO FAST" says nub
"WHY ARNT U DEAD YET" says nub
"I have the extra 5 armor which if you do the math is better than you extra hp" says smart person
I would assume it will go something like that and one will run away screaming and kicking
CoCantz
come on... you talk like its "life savings" and such... I totally agree that the effect are kinda useless but when its the best the game can offer... hmm then ~50-100k aint that overrated
In general I think most upgrades dont make that big a difference... and thats perfect... GW is about player skills =)
So I totally agree with Marauder:
btw. Im selling a 10/10 Sundering bow and a +5 armor Barbed Flamberge here
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=55029
In general I think most upgrades dont make that big a difference... and thats perfect... GW is about player skills =)
So I totally agree with Marauder:
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Originally Posted by Hell Marauder
The best mod? Pay 10 g and have your weapon customized and get instantly +20% damage, no condition required.
But I do agree that for a 10/10 sundering mod, high cost is justified for its rarity, not for its quality. |
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=55029
ayb
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Originally Posted by CoCantz
btw. Im selling a 10/10 Sundering bow and a +5 armor Barbed Flamberge here
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=55029 |
kvndoom
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Originally Posted by Savio
I agree, but...Desperation Blow? Why would anyone use that?
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galkraft
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Originally Posted by Savio
I agree, but...Desperation Blow? Why would anyone use that?
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Master Oria
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Originally Posted by One and Two
why did mcs get banned?
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as an admin/mod he can edit his forum title to whatever he wants it to be called......
to MCS:
very original actualy, and funny. i got a kick out of that one
Paine
So many noobs out there
Rudra_Emblem
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Originally Posted by Hell Marauder
The best mod? Pay 10 g and have your weapon customized and get instantly +20% damage, no condition required.
But I do agree that for a 10/10 sundering mod, high cost is justified for its rarity, not for its quality. |