Strenght?

ive heard people say dont get strenght coz its a load of %#%& is strength worth getting it doesnt really seem to do much should i get strnght or tactics?

Strength gives a nominal amount of armour piercing, and allows for strength-related skills to improve. Look over the skills which require strength; if they suit your playing style, invest a few points in them. It would probably be best to have a few more points in tactics than strength, but it's up to you.

ok because every one says that armour peircing is really lame and strength is pointless

Depends what you're attacking.

If you are attacking something with a low armor level i.e. a castor mob then the penetration will be negligible(sp?).

Conversely a high armor level opponent will be affected much more by armor piercing.

There is an article on this site that describes exactly how armor penetration works: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

As for str vs. tactics - that completely depends on what type of character you're trying to build.

^ big dittos there. Both Strength and Tactics have their own uses and strenghts (no pun intended)

Just use one or even both if it suits your playing style. I mean, that *is* why they included refund points, right?

erm i looked ay it it dont make sense

For pve i'm mainly using tactics, just because i love the defensive stances : gladiators defense and bonettis are really nice if you're tanking many bad guys.
Those are also quite good for a bit of solo farming, gladiators gives you damage for each block and and bonettis gives you energy to feed things like cyclone axe or 2nd class damage/heal skills.

For pvp (not random) i prefer strength over tactics. I like berserker stance, warriors cunning and all the nice stuff that prevents people from running away. The extra armor penetration comes in handy, too.

To put it simply the more armour penetration you have, the more damage you can do to armoured targets. The more armour your enemy has, the more important armour penetration becomes, because it is all based on percentages.

The Guru link gives a more relevant, simple example:

Basically, your armour penetration bonus allows your attack to ignore a certain percentage of your armour as though a small portion of it has simply disappeared. And with less armour, more damage will get through.

Penetration is particularly useful when dealing with more heavily armoured foes like Warriors and Rangers. This is when you start to notice the importance of strength.

the armour is guild wars is confusiong coz in WoW it tells you how muhc % less damage ytou take in GW there is nothing anywhere