stop crying about nature's renewal.

Who are the members of top guilds and complaining about NR? Give us some examples.

Btw, I based my previous post on the level of competition I experienced in tombs. And the conclusion is that bad and one-dimensional teams are the ones who cry so hard about NR.

Actually, it's Determined Shot, get your corrections correct next time

Is NR powerful? Yes. So is illusionary weapon, my ranger can blind you and have whirling defence up and still get owned because it doesn't say that if your attack would hit deal X dmg, it says, each attack you deal X dmg, hit or not. NR is the ONLY enchanment removal that rangers have. Mesmers and Necros each have atleast 2 skills/spells that either remove enchantments or cause some other benefit to them for having an enchanment laden target. Furthermore, NR is fitting for a Ranger. Rangers are close to nature (hence, pets, and other things related to nature in their arsenal). Enchantments are not natural. Seems logical to me that Rangers would have a way of removing them in 1 fell swoop. Also, don't forget that Necros have a wonderful little spell called Well of the Profane. Targets a corpse (like all necro wells) and everyone in range looses all their enchantments and can't get new ones while in range. Atleast NR will allow you to re-enchant after it's done, allbeit at a higher cost in time.

I do however agree that spirit spamming is a little over the top, therefore, this is my idea on that matter. If a ranger summons a spirit thats already in play, that spirit is teleported to his/her location and no new effect is granted until the spirit dies and is recast. As far as HoH goes, this could result in an almost chesslike battle between opposing rangers as each repositions their opponents spirits to their liking

Yep, some of the spirit spamming tactics being used in tombs are lame.

Warriors, eles and monks have no enchantment removal at all. Just because rangers only have 1 skill that does it doesn't mean the skill has to be absurdly powerful, regardless of how "in touch" with nature they are.

Warriors, eles and monks can have enchantment removal too if they want to.

Well, you sure didn't try understanding what the heck you were talking about, insulting people who spent many hours experiencing NR in situations where it actually matters (i.e. coordinated teams) and meticulously documenting and debating this issue, by telling them to 'stop crying', in one simple sentence arrogantly dismissing their efforts as misguided and petty. If that's not trying to start a fight, I'm not really sure what the heck you were thinking when you started a new thread on this problem.

So you're saying that, judging from your infinite knowledge gained from the random arenas (*laugh*), you think this skill is not worth fixing? it removes every enchantment and hex on the field!!! is that not a huge effect?

On another note. I wish people would quit yelling "whiner" every time someone tries to get something fixed. "0mfgz0rz!!11 he has a complaint about something seriously wrong with the current state of the game. I think I'll start a flame war with him and drown out everything he said in meaningless flames!!!11one"

Play as a Warrior who is subject to hundreds of skills designed specifically to screw them over, counters that are waaaay worst than what Nature's Renewal can ever do. Play that warrior for about a month or so and then come tell me that Nature's Renewal is the most unbalanced skill in the game. That way I can pinpoint all the people who are, for lack of better words, "n00bs".

Just a few skills that Warriors have to look out for, most of which are SOLEY designed for Warriors:

Throw Dirt
Dust Trap
Ineptitude
Glimmering Mark
Eruption
Belly Smash
Fainthartedness
Spirit Shackles
Insidious Parasite
Price of Failure
Shadow of Fear
Spiteful Spirit
Tainted Flesh
Blinding Flash
Ward Against Melee
Armor of Frost
Blurred Vision
Magnetic Aura
Aegis
Guardian
Pascifism
Amnity
Shield of Judgement
Bane Signet
Feral Lunge
Lightning Reflexes
Dryder's Defence
Whirling Defence
Axe Twist
Devastating Hammer
Bonneti's Defence
Gladiator's Defence
Disciplined Stance
Defence Stance
Shield Stance
Riposte
Deadly Riposte
Empathy

Almost all of those hurt Rangers as much. In a good team they don't really matter either because condition/hex removal is realitivly easy in a good team and the warrior or ranger won't be neturalized for long at all while NR screws about half the skills in the game.

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i was pissed off that nature's renewal is so damn good. but now i use it, so i'm happy.

Everyone complaining about it freely admits that they use it but also advocates for it being rebalanced as it is way overpowered.

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I've played a warrior since E3 for Everyone and I'm telling you that Natures Renewal is the most unbalanced skill in the game.

Nah. We the PRO PvPers would rather be playing monks or elementalists and complaining about NR than playing the weak characters like warriors.

Yes, I do. I don't believe the skill itself is unbalanced, only the ability to spam it.

I have every single item unlocked on 1 account (done pre faction) and all skills unlocked on my other account. I play whatever class my friends need in PvP. MY faviorte character to play in PvP ATM is a mesmer (excluding NR) or a warrior. I also play a spirit spamming ranger that can drop a NR every 7-10 seconds with no trouble. Now you tell me that a skill that doubles cast time of enchants and hexes and can wipe them every 7-10 seconds isn't unbalanced and one of the most powerful skills in the game. With this skill I can make most hexes and enchantments something that lasts 2-5 seconds and when I'm coordinated with another ranger like me we can make it so that no hex or enchant lasts more than 2 seconds.

Just to let you know. There are different healing methods that don't depend on enchantments. And there are ways to deal damage that don't depend on enchantments or hexs.

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I know the point is that no skill should be able to make 2 full classes of skills unplayable in higher levle PvP. To use NR you don't even need any points in its linked attribute, its affect is unblockable, it is global, and it is massivily unbalanced. Enchants are also unbalanced in terms of the healing ball builds going around but even they were less destructive to game play than NR is. Go to the thread I posted a link to for a full indepth explanation by various people.

Duh, and now everyone is forced to use only those methods, instead of being able to come up new ideas. Dropping a huge chunk of the skills in the game (including all the best defences with the exception of wards) doesn't lead to fun gaming.

As for the person whining about how warriors are discriminated against: be W/Mo and bring smite hex/purge condition, or be W/N and use rigor mortis. What's that? you can hit people again? Oh My!

The mere fact that it only has to be dropped once in range to render any enchantment heavy build obsolete is enough of a factor to make it horribe for balance/gameplay.

Seriously if you don't think that NR is unbalanced and screwing over gameplay you really don't understand pvp. I shouldn't need to write more on this with it having been said so many times; if you don't understand why go look at the balance thread by Zrave.

As for enchantment removal outside of NR, it sucks, plain and simple and needs buffing. KOR did not dominate the last bwe just because they had good players/teamwork.

I'm going to link to that thread here, so that no one has an excuse to not read it.

You're trolling, right? Please tell me you're trolling because no one that really knows about those skills could possibly make such a post and not know about the myriad counters.

Its annoying!

Yes, complain about rangers needing a nerf! I knew it was gonna happen soon! That'll teach you all not to underestimate a part of the game so early in it's release. Oh and it'll also teach you guys not to ignore rangers in PVP anylonger. =) Suffer, muhaha!. Hahaha. Just teasing.

I've found the greatest use for a W/Mo is "farming". Solo farming at that. While I have to agree in PVP a warrior does seem pretty low on the scale of enjoyment, in PVE they are a blast and don't get "exploited" by cheap socalled tactics or strategy like 100 spirit builds. lol I think in PVP Mezzers are the most fun to play, I love shatter enchantments, especially using them on elementalists and monks. But, even playing my ranger in PVP I won't stoop to the lowness of spamming spirits of any kind or running like a scared chicken when I'm the last one left and have no rez or any ability to win, I stand there and fight with honor.

There has always been an easy way to deal with rituals...

But then it got removed and throughout ALL of this complaining and ranting and spamming, VERY FEW people have asked about it.

For such an overpowered skill, you need a VERY devastating counter designed specifically for it.

Hence I post this again since I don't see enough people posting it.

Bring back Unnatural Signet.

Have it just SLAY the entire MAP of nature rituals.

If the enemy is going to use a skill set that renders everyone moot points, then by all means, bring the COUNTER to said strategy and make the enemy pay for not bringing any contingency plans.

And with that, you would probably see the end of the super annoying ranger spirit spam build.

It is frustrating, I am forced to be a putrid guy and nothing else. It really effects more than just enchanters/cursers... it also affects the warriors who depend on rigor mortis and the like to actually be able to sneak hits in past guardian, aegis, piles of auras and blinding spells, etc.

Was fun while it lasted, then it descended into flames.
Closed.
Hope we all learned something about the game at least.