Make GvG limit 8
Zuggy
GvG needs to have at least 8 players to start. One of the officers in our guild, his son got on and started a GvG battle with 4 henchies and dropped our rank from 700 to 3,255. is the limit would have been 8, like it should be, he wouldn't have been able to start it.
Nizzim
he woulda just got 7 henchies...
Lebdan
There are only 4 henchies in GvG
emil knight
Wait... how fair is that?
There are some people who just have them and a group of friends (maybe 4 or 5 people) who would really like to GvG. They don't feel like recruiting for whatever reason. You're saying that because some idiot in your guild let his kid have access to his account and screwed your rating that guilds that have less than 8 shouldn't be able to access this part of the game?
Sorry, I disagree with that...
I'd rather see them make more controls on how and when the GvG battles occur than see the change you propose. It would be better to make unrated battles ocur the same way rated ones do (randomly picking another guild that wants to go unrated so you both can practice.)
There are some people who just have them and a group of friends (maybe 4 or 5 people) who would really like to GvG. They don't feel like recruiting for whatever reason. You're saying that because some idiot in your guild let his kid have access to his account and screwed your rating that guilds that have less than 8 shouldn't be able to access this part of the game?
Sorry, I disagree with that...
I'd rather see them make more controls on how and when the GvG battles occur than see the change you propose. It would be better to make unrated battles ocur the same way rated ones do (randomly picking another guild that wants to go unrated so you both can practice.)
johnnylange
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
GvG needs to have at least 8 players to start. One of the officers in our guild, his son got on and started a GvG battle with 4 henchies and dropped our rank from 700 to 3,255. is the limit would have been 8, like it should be, he wouldn't have been able to start it.
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Chrisby Pwns
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Originally Posted by johnnylange
The real issue here is... If your officer had been more responsible then that wouldn't have happened.
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Real Solution to ur problem: Kick that officer, Get new Officer, GvG for a day, get rank back.
KuTeBaka
wait, the officer got 4 people from the guild to ruin it? there are only 4 henchies so you need at least 4 real people
johnnylange
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Originally Posted by KuTeBaka
wait, the officer got 4 people from the guild to ruin it? there are only 4 henchies so you need at least 4 real people
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Moskel
It should take like one, maybe two hours of organized play by 8 players to go from 3200 back up to 700. You can turn things around and bring it up just as fast as it was brought down.
We've gone down to 400ish a few times after big recruiting sprees and quickly end back up around 100 after the new folks learn the ins and outs of GvG. Losses don't make it impossible to go back up again, don't get discourged, get organized, go play and get that rank back. See this as an opportunity rather than a 'woe is me'. 'Woe is me' won't get you anywhere in GW or in life.
We've gone down to 400ish a few times after big recruiting sprees and quickly end back up around 100 after the new folks learn the ins and outs of GvG. Losses don't make it impossible to go back up again, don't get discourged, get organized, go play and get that rank back. See this as an opportunity rather than a 'woe is me'. 'Woe is me' won't get you anywhere in GW or in life.
B3H
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
GvG needs to have at least 8 players to start. One of the officers in our guild, his son got on and started a GvG battle with 4 henchies and dropped our rank from 700 to 3,255. is the limit would have been 8, like it should be, he wouldn't have been able to start it.
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Sagius Truthbarron
If you enter GvG with 4 henchies you get 3 more henchies. It's a bad idea, to me, to have a full 8 people to GvG. I mean, I doubt many officers in most guilds even have kids..
Zuggy
What a bunch of idiots. I'm not saying that it's anet's fault or anything, I was explaining what sparked the idea. They did it for HoH why not for GvG? Plus it's just a game we're not gonna kick an officer just because his 7 year old son screwed up our rank. Jeez some of you people need lives, outside of GW.
Guillaume De Sonoma
you can't control what your kids do behind your back. But he should change his password.
johnnylange
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
What a bunch of idiots. I'm not saying that it's anet's fault or anything, I was explaining what sparked the idea. They did it for HoH why not for GvG? Plus it's just a game we're not gonna kick an officer just because his 7 year old son screwed up our rank. Jeez some of you people need lives, outside of GW.
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If I were you I'd kick him out for being so irresponsible! If I was a member in your guild I'd leave if you didn't kick him out! But, don't post threads about issues you don't care about, then call us idiots because you didn't like the reponses you got.
knives
Something like that happened to me. My cousin was visiting (shes 8), and I let her mess around for awhile with a new char , and she was doing the ascalon missions, using a fiery dragon sword (this was an e/me btw), hitting flare as fast as she could. She seemed to be having fun so I let her play for awhile, and eventually I had to leave, but my family was over so I just let her stay on. When I came back a few hours later, she told me she found the coolest place! The guild hall! She had level 20's and everything on her team! The guild lord too! She told me all she did was stare at her new found "allies" that were "super-strong" and then she died. She went in alone at level 9. Our rank has dropped ever since, as we have temporarily been having breaks for GvG.
They should definately up the level cap to atleast 15+, and make it atleast TWO real people have to be in the party to commence a guild battle. Who does a solo guild battle with henchies? Or is arena net just promoting these abundant 1 man guilds that like to recruit members but never get any?
They should definately up the level cap to atleast 15+, and make it atleast TWO real people have to be in the party to commence a guild battle. Who does a solo guild battle with henchies? Or is arena net just promoting these abundant 1 man guilds that like to recruit members but never get any?
Yukito Kunisaki
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
What a bunch of idiots. I'm not saying that it's anet's fault or anything, I was explaining what sparked the idea. They did it for HoH why not for GvG? Plus it's just a game we're not gonna kick an officer just because his 7 year old son screwed up our rank. Jeez some of you people need lives, outside of GW.
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You're #X? Top 10 guilds? Does that make you smarter than all of us? If you believe so, then I hope you don't mind me believing that you're one of those people who may end up dying due to gaming and caffiene overdose I hear so much about coming from Korea and other gaming capitals of the world...
I like winning, dislike losing, but the fact of the matter is that if you're going to base your sole enjoyment into beating people in pvp, that doesn't give you much in terms of bragging rights...
Some see you as, 'whoa, most skilled you are!', while OTHERS can think, 'whoa, you've got too much time on your hands.'
After seeing where the majority of people I've seen with are going, I've begun thinking the latter...
hmm...
Now, I seem to be more impressed by people who can tank 15 flesh golems...
emil knight
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Originally Posted by johnnylange
You can have a GvG battle with less than 8 players. Correct me if i'm wrong...
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My guild fought a random battle against one guy. He had a bunch of henchies, but I didn't stop to count while we were kicking his butt. :P
Nash
Onoes, rank 700, that so hard to get 
emil knight
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
What a bunch of idiots. I'm not saying that it's anet's fault or anything, I was explaining what sparked the idea. They did it for HoH why not for GvG? Plus it's just a game we're not gonna kick an officer just because his 7 year old son screwed up our rank. Jeez some of you people need lives, outside of GW.
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You complain about the rules, then you tell us it's just a game?
What do you care then? If this was truely a "7 year old kid" as you say, then the father HAD to have given him access to the account. How many 7-year olds are accomplished hackers that could get into peoples accounts?
If you are going to bitch about your guild rank for the reason you said, then you need to punish the person who did it to your guild, NOT EVERY OTHER PLAYER WHO WANTS TO PLAY THE GAME.
This suggestion was poor at best, and your response to OUR responses was childish. Punishing the guy who would like to take on a whole guild all by himself because someone in YOUR guild screwed up is NOT the way to solve YOUR PROBLEM.
Mayar third Keeper
rofl nice officer son 
it was worth to pay him for challenging us
erg just joking
it was worth to pay him for challenging us erg just joking
Lampshade
ANet shouldnt have to fix your officers mistake.
Im just wondering what happened to his kid.
Im just wondering what happened to his kid.
Arran_Pellaeon
Why not make it so Rated matches require say at least 5+ real people, but unrated matches can have any amount?
dansamy
Demote the officer immediately. If he screams over his demotion, kick him.
Guillaume De Sonoma
This isn't for most older players because they were raised in a different generation with different morals. When i was seven i was stupid. I didn't really concept right and wrong and i didn't care. Besides now i'm older and look at little kids even some 13 year olds and think they have been dropped on their heads. Young kids are just stupid they don't think ahead, don't realize wright and wrong, and consequences. Besides some people use the same passwords for everything and it doesn't take long for an insecent 7 year old to annoy his parents to get something like his dad's GW password. The officer should be demoted though, but given a chance to get back his old rank.
Iceciro
You gotta make an example outta people like that.
If I or my Guild Leader catch ANYONE starting a guild battle with more than 2 henchies, unless they have permission, they are KICKED. No questions asked. It's just the rule around my guild, and you know what? Our rank doesnt drop thousands of spots for random reasons!
Manage your officers/guild better, Anet shouldn't have to worry about your officer's lack of control.
If I or my Guild Leader catch ANYONE starting a guild battle with more than 2 henchies, unless they have permission, they are KICKED. No questions asked. It's just the rule around my guild, and you know what? Our rank doesnt drop thousands of spots for random reasons!
Manage your officers/guild better, Anet shouldn't have to worry about your officer's lack of control.
lg5000
If that was my son... I would have banned him from the comp for that one.
That said, my son has his own account, just so he can't screw up my chars, and knows better than to use mine (he's only just turned 9 btw, and I'm damn proud of how well he's doing so far)
Of course, it's wonderful fun for the child to play, and I'm one to encourage that type of thing, but then, I suck at the game in general, and only play for the enjoyment and nothing competitive.
That said, my son has his own account, just so he can't screw up my chars, and knows better than to use mine
(he's only just turned 9 btw, and I'm damn proud of how well he's doing so far) Of course, it's wonderful fun for the child to play, and I'm one to encourage that type of thing, but then, I suck at the game in general, and only play for the enjoyment and nothing competitive.
Gwenhywar
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Originally Posted by Iceciro
If I or my Guild Leader catch ANYONE starting a guild battle with more than 2 henchies, unless they have permission, they are KICKED.
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Seriously, some of you should get a life ...
what's wrong with a father letting his son to play? He probably gave him a new character to play, and the kid found the guild hall and started the battle (many 7 year olds aren't so dumb as some said earlier ...). Should he have bought another copy of the game just to let the kid play once a week? Should he be watching him while he plays? Many solutions, but the situation seems quite normal to me.
dansamy
No, we kick after a week of inactivity unless you have posted to our forum that you will be away for an extended period. We are a PvP guild and take our GvG battles seriously.
Phades
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Originally Posted by lg5000
If that was my son... I would have banned him from the comp for that one.
That said, my son has his own account, just so he can't screw up my chars, and knows better than to use mine (he's only just turned 9 btw, and I'm damn proud of how well he's doing so far) Of course, it's wonderful fun for the child to play, and I'm one to encourage that type of thing, but then, I suck at the game in general, and only play for the enjoyment and nothing competitive. |
Regardless of the circumstances that brought this instance about, there needs to be some more rigid guidelines on how and when a gvg can be initiated. Doing a human being check before giving the ok to fight does not sound unreasonable.
emil knight
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wow, sounds like a fun guild to be in ... not. if my guild officer's son had done it, I'd laugh about it, and we'd tease the guy for days about it, while just GvGing and getting the rating back. "kick without questions"?? are you one of those guilds that is kicking people if they haven't been online for 3 days?
Seriously, some of you should get a life ... what's wrong with a father letting his son to play? He probably gave him a new character to play, and the kid found the guild hall and started the battle (many 7 year olds aren't so dumb as some said earlier ...). Should he have bought another copy of the game just to let the kid play once a week? Should he be watching him while he plays? Many solutions, but the situation seems quite normal to me. |
I consider being an officer a great responsibilty and honor, despite our guilds mantra of "just have fun". Nothing wrong with having fun and including others (even our children, when appropriate), but when that fun could cause others to NOT have fun, then we have to take action.
I don't consider this situation to be "normal", because it's not something that would regularly occur.
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Originally Posted by dansamy
No, we kick after a week of inactivity unless you have posted to our forum that you will be away for an extended period. We are a PvP guild and take our GvG battles seriously.
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We give our members a month...
dansamy
It's not extreme. If you are going to not be playing, you usually know it and can post one short message on the forums. Actually, I kick inactives who do not ever use our TS and forums even earlier. We make every new person aware that we have TS and forums that are used as our guild communications. People who actually want to actively participate stay in our guild and move up. People who don't are not with us long. We understand that our style is not for everyone. No hard feelings. We (the hardcore PvP members who left another guild to create our own) like to play with people who want to GvG/HoH every night. That's what we like to do. We like to be able to chat even when just running peopl in PvE. TS is a BIG requirement in our guild.
Maltare
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Wow... that's a little extreme...
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What guild are you in dansamy?
dansamy
Knight Vision. We are fairly recent, but all of our officers and leader left Knights of Singularity due to the inactivity of its leader. We got frustrated that we were the only ones ever on and wanting to PvP but we couldn't. KOS was ~98 on the ladder when we left. Under KnV, we are 4-0 and hope to get ourselves on the bottom of the ladder shortly. We've been running newer PvPers through Tombs to teach them the basics. Got one really nice kid that can't follow targets to save his soul, but he's really trying.
We kick most inactives after a full 7 days. We kick "strangers" after about 4-5. By strangers, I mean the ones I have never met on TS and they aren't registered on the forum. We play nightly and when I recruit I inform them that we are very active players and prefer to have other like-minded people in our guild.
We kick most inactives after a full 7 days. We kick "strangers" after about 4-5. By strangers, I mean the ones I have never met on TS and they aren't registered on the forum. We play nightly and when I recruit I inform them that we are very active players and prefer to have other like-minded people in our guild.
BrandonIT
Well, I do thank the OP for this topic. Reading through the posts has been most enlightening.
I was always interested in what actually went into a "hard-core" PvP guild. I don't enjoy PvP all that much, but I always dream of us being able to take our guild out of 5,996th place all the way up to 5,991st. (those 5 teams are pretty tough though...)
It's interesting to hear about kicking after "inactive days". Also to hear of your training methods, like running through Tombs. It's also good to hear that even PvP guilds get some that just can't follow to save their lives.
On the OP topic though, I can see how that could happen. However, I really would like to keep GvG the way it is now because my guild can't always get that many people online (and I'm not real fond of playing Guild with henchies). So being able to GvG with 5 or 6 is very good for us.
I don't think any changes should be made, but it would be nice if the default Random guild battle was NON-ranked, and you had to check a box or something in order to initiate a RANKED guild match.
I was always interested in what actually went into a "hard-core" PvP guild. I don't enjoy PvP all that much, but I always dream of us being able to take our guild out of 5,996th place all the way up to 5,991st. (those 5 teams are pretty tough though...)
It's interesting to hear about kicking after "inactive days". Also to hear of your training methods, like running through Tombs. It's also good to hear that even PvP guilds get some that just can't follow to save their lives.
On the OP topic though, I can see how that could happen. However, I really would like to keep GvG the way it is now because my guild can't always get that many people online (and I'm not real fond of playing Guild with henchies). So being able to GvG with 5 or 6 is very good for us.
I don't think any changes should be made, but it would be nice if the default Random guild battle was NON-ranked, and you had to check a box or something in order to initiate a RANKED guild match.
dansamy
Brandon, bear in my mind that my guild's sole purpose for existence is to be able to GvG nightly. That is our ultimate goal and we recruit with that aim in mind. Not many guilds are quite as specific as we are. My husband's guild is mostly a PvE thing, but it has mostly collapsed due to inactivity. I will not let that happen to my PvP guild, period.
emil knight
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Originally Posted by BrandonIT
It's interesting to hear about kicking after "inactive days". Also to hear of your training methods, like running through Tombs. It's also good to hear that even PvP guilds get some that just can't follow to save their lives.
On the OP topic though, I can see how that could happen. However, I really would like to keep GvG the way it is now because my guild can't always get that many people online (and I'm not real fond of playing Guild with henchies). So being able to GvG with 5 or 6 is very good for us. I don't think any changes should be made, but it would be nice if the default Random guild battle was NON-ranked, and you had to check a box or something in order to initiate a RANKED guild match. |
I agree that the current status quo on GvG shouldn't change... there are days when it's hard to get people who can GvG with us. We could have a dozen people online at a time, but only half of them might be willing or able to do it. We invite people of all skill levels, so we have low level people online at times that really shouldn't be in a GvG.
I also agree with the default NON-ranked option... I was hoping when my guild started doing it that we could practice a few times to get a feel for it... instead we ended up getting spanked the first two times because we had very little idea of what we were doing...