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Ticonderoga

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 15:55 - 1
People there is no difference between a req 8 and a req 13 hammer if you have 15 hammer mastery. You will still do the same exact damage from the req 8 hammer to the req 13 hammer (both hammers are the same other than req) I got this verified from Arena.net if you want me to forward their reply tell me. If you still dont understand this then get 15 hammer mastery and a req 8 hammer and get a req 13 hammer of the same exact stats and go out fighting you will do the same exact damage.

People if you have an axe say it is 6-28 with 8 req and the same exact axe that is req 13 and you have 15 axe mastery when you have the req 8 equiped you would do about an average of lets say 40 damage and when you have the req 13 you would also DO THE SAME EXACT DAMAGE. I got this VERIFIED FROM ARENA.NET.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

07 Aug 2005 at 15:57 - 2
Okay.

-Edit- The point is, that you can get the full 19-35 damage of that hammer at a level 8 hammer mastery.

You save attribute points.

powdahound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Troy, NY, USA

Mo/Me

07 Aug 2005 at 16:04 - 3
It just makes people feel special. Same reason people buy 15k armor, or even Fissure. Same reason people want gold instead of purple even if the stats are the same. Same reason people buy huge SUVs to drive around even though they don't need it at all.

powdahound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Troy, NY, USA

Mo/Me

07 Aug 2005 at 16:05 - 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
Okay.

-Edit- The point is, that you can get the full 19-35 damage of that hammer at a level 8 hammer mastery.

You save attribute points.
But then all your skills for the weapon are at level 8. Most people have at least 12 in their weapon attribute.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

07 Aug 2005 at 16:06 - 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by powdahound
But then all your skills for the weapon are at level 8. Most people have at least 12 in their weapon attribute.
Your thinking that call classes use a weapon to the max.

You realize that weapon level doesnt affect knockdown time..right?

KainShadow

KainShadow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Legacy of Abyss

E/

07 Aug 2005 at 16:11 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
Okay.

-Edit- The point is, that you can get the full 19-35 damage of that hammer at a level 8 hammer mastery.

You save attribute points.
are you sure?
only at 12 Hammer Mastery the damage is at 100% of 19-35

powdahound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Troy, NY, USA

Mo/Me

07 Aug 2005 at 16:11 - 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
Your thinking that call classes use a weapon to the max.

You realize that weapon level doesnt affect knockdown time..right?
Ok so maybe for hammer, and sometimes bow, people won't have a high weapon level. For axe and sword I doubt there are many warriors running around with 8 as their level.

The OPs point was that there's no difference between 8 and 13 if your attribute level is 15.

Tigris Of Gaul

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 16:19 - 8
Your weapon should at minimum be 14, although in PvE it doesn't really matter because you can spread yourself and be effective.

free4all

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 16:44 - 9
Yeah, its stupid that people whine that 11 req is too much, etc. Any less than 12 in swords/axe/hammer/marks and you aren't doing 100% damage.

White Designs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Illinois

None

07 Aug 2005 at 17:22 - 10
Heh, well, quite frankly, a lot of people have no idea what they're talking about, and this is an example of that.

How about all the people wanting Fiery Dragon Swords? It's hilarious since its THE WORST sword in the game. Even sadder, every other sword is equal..but fiery dragon is worse than them all, since its the only one with a fixed haft. But of course since it looks cool...

Mark of Rodgort

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/Me

07 Aug 2005 at 17:55 - 11
Cant you change the haft of the Fiery Dragon sword? Im not a warrior...but hmmm...can you?

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

07 Aug 2005 at 17:57 - 12
I saw someone last night WTBing a req 13 minimum weapon. wtf

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

07 Aug 2005 at 17:59 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Designs
Heh, well, quite frankly, a lot of people have no idea what they're talking about, and this is an example of that.

How about all the people wanting Fiery Dragon Swords? It's hilarious since its THE WORST sword in the game. Even sadder, every other sword is equal..but fiery dragon is worse than them all, since its the only one with a fixed haft. But of course since it looks cool...
accually you should be using 3 weapons. 1 of each elemental (except earth) on switch. it helps alot more than the 12-15 attribute. so if a DS takes up my slot for fire dmg doesn't bother me that its a fixed haft. i like it also because i can always salvage the fire haft from it so i find people selling them for 200-300g then turn around and sell the haft for about 800-1k

aB-

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 21:35 - 14
The advantage of a low requirement weapon is versatility. A lower requirement doesn't FORCE you to put more points into your mastery, unlike one with a higher requirement.

exploding flowers

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 21:43 - 15
don't forget about the skills that need a certain weapon attribute in order to deal more damage. having a weapon attribute at 12 or higher will have a greater effect on a SKILL relating to that attribute than someone who has theirs lower.

weapon damage is fine, but if you're looking to do more than regular damage with a weapon...

Ticonderoga

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 22:58 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
Okay.

-Edit- The point is, that you can get the full 19-35 damage of that hammer at a level 8 hammer mastery.

You save attribute points.
you wont get the full damage if you have only 8 hammer mastery you would do less damage you do more damage if you have more hammer mastery

November Raine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Pulaski, Wisconsin

(Leader of)The Blue Sentinels [TBS]

W/Mo

07 Aug 2005 at 23:00 - 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ticonderoga
you wont get the full damage if you have only 8 req you would do less damage you do more damage if you have more hammer mastery
what you just said goes against your first post and your other thread.

Ticonderoga

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 23:02 - 18
uhm no it doesnt... its saying the MORE points in an attribute MAKE YOU DO MORE DAMAGE READ YOU #$#%$^#

Quintus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 23:04 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by November Raine
what you just said goes against your first post and your other thread.
Read this.

Ticonderoga

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 23:08 - 20
God thanks quintus at least someone knows what he is talking about
Ohh and everyone should read what Quintus link went to it is important to all you noobs/morons/idiots :P

Eder

Eder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 23:17 - 21
To those who are too lazy to click the link:

Having more levels in a weapon attribute makes you do more damage.

But it does not matter how many levels you're ahead of your weapon's requirement, what matters is your total level.

12 Attribute with 8 req weapon = X damage
12 Attribute with 12 req weapon = X damage

8 Attribute with 8 req weapon = less than X damage
8 Attribute with 12 req weapon = basically no damage

EverBlue

EverBlue

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, AB, Calgary

Arcane Draconum

W/Mo

07 Aug 2005 at 23:18 - 22
I found some idiot who was selling an 8req max dmg fellblade for 8k. While a 12req goes for less. I don't think it's really going to matter much...

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

07 Aug 2005 at 23:22 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus
Read this.
Some of that has actually been changed in updates, as casters where able to use items above their attrib level or requiring skills they didn't have, so if you don't meet the req of the items you will nolonger gain any benifits from the items buffs / stat boosts.

The actual damage caluclation is also based on your level and the level of the creature you are fighting, if you are higher level you actually receive a bonus to damage upto 150%. (before armour)
I am fairly certain you recieve a slight pen to your damage when fighting higher level creatures, the exact calculation I could not say, as this is affected more but A.net balancing and individual armour class tweaks to creatures than Just level based damage.

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

08 Aug 2005 at 08:24 - 24
The only way req on weapon attributes would matter is when the +20% enchantment duration is affected by it.

There is no build in the world that needs 8 sword skill. Either you wear the weapon for the bonus (the enchantment grip on the +5 energy sword) or you have 14+. Hammers may be an exeption, but if you only use knockdown, the req should not matter at all?

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

08 Aug 2005 at 10:19 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
casters where able to use items above their attrib level or requiring skills they didn't have, so if you don't meet the req of the items you will nolonger gain any benifits from the items buffs / stat boosts.
Incorrect. You will only fail to get the individual bonuses that you do not have the requirement for. For example, most staves have an attribute requirement on the damage, but not on the energy. If you equip a staff, even one for an attribute you do not posess, you will still get the energy.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
The actual damage caluclation is also based on your level and the level of the creature you are fighting
No it isn't.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
if you are higher level you actually receive a bonus to damage upto 150%. (before armour)
Congratulations on your ability to make shit up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
I am fairly certain you recieve a slight pen to your damage when fighting higher level creatures
I am 100% positive that you made that up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
the exact calculation I could not say
Why not? You made up everything else so far, go ahead and make up exact numbers too.

Summary: You're full of shit. Don't start denouncing my work if you aren't about to back even a hint of it up.

Peace,
-CxE

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

08 Aug 2005 at 10:39 - 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
Congratulations on your ability to make shit up.
Ok so he made a mistake, theres really no need for that kind of talk is there? Just becuase your a mod doesn't mean you can swear and be rude.

Anyways back on TOPIC:

In my case I have 12 points in Marksmanship, but during PvP this can be raised to 15 if I'm going in with a quick shot build, my currently bow requires 10, but I'm hoping to find a Gold one (or buy one) which higher requirment.

cookiehoarder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Melbourne, Florida.

[HTR]

08 Aug 2005 at 10:48 - 27
I'm not sure if you are aware of a bow in mineral springs-9 Marks +15% Damage over 50%-Ascalon Bow-Short bow version. If you feel the need to buy a better bow I feel sorry for you.

Keure

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

08 Aug 2005 at 10:50 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Ok so he made a mistake, theres really no need for that kind of talk is there? Just becuase your a mod doesn't mean you can swear and be rude.

Anyways back on TOPIC:

In my case I have 12 points in Marksmanship, but during PvP this can be raised to 15 if I'm going in with a quick shot build, my currently bow requires 10, but I'm hoping to find a Gold one (or buy one) which higher requirment.
No offense - but how does your "on-topic" post really help? In fact, I'd be inclined to argue that by advocating a purchase of a higher-requirement weapon you'd be spreading misinformation about what the OP said: requirement doesn't matter.

These forums are meant (at least in part) to be a source of correct and reliable information about the game. One could also argue that making (baseless) claims about game mechanics and touting them as truth is even worse for the community than insulting that same person for spreading this information.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

08 Aug 2005 at 10:56 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keure
No offense
None taken

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keure
In fact, I'd be inclined to argue that by advocating a purchase of a higher-requirement weapon you'd be spreading misinformation about what the OP said: requirement doesn't matter.
Well since the weapon would have a high req. it would force me to add more points towards it, making my Marksmanship skills more effective all the time indirectly. That's what I was trying to say.

Just becuase he a mod doesn't mean he can swear and be rude. Its pays to be polite.

I was resently warned for being insultive on these forums, there shouldn't be a set of rules of us, and differet set of rules for them.

Anyways I added my on-topic feedback to the thread, take it or leave it.

We all human and we make mistakes, no need to be mean about it

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

10 Aug 2005 at 15:16 - 30
Charles has spent quite a lot time on his article. Having some random troll spamming stupid statements in these forums can touch a raw nerve. We all make mistakes, but some people should think before hitting the reply button.

I'm locking this thread as it is full of wrong statements.
Please read this before starting a new thread.