Zai that was beyond Q&A. You have to buy the game. End of story.
As for the cluttering up, I have said it time and time again. One topic per thread. When you search (which everyone should do first), it makes finding an answer *MUCH* easier
... And I have no clue where 2+2=4 comes into this. This is Guild Wars Q&A, not Philosophy Q&A
Closing Threads
Inde
Lansing Kai Don
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And, BTW, closing a thread is not a disciplinary action. Threads don't misbehave, there's really nothing you can do to them to discipline them.
P.S. Bgnome, boy I don't envy you your job. I got the sweet end of this deal, hehehe... You honestly think that more threads are going to solve this? That reminds me of a suggestion (or maybe something I don't know yet). How about a way to look for phrases? I don't see the option, I thought double quotes would do it but they don't. Maybe users are trying the same methods and getting a bajillion (yes real number lol) results and don't want to look through them all.
Lansing Kai Don
Zai
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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith
And, BTW, closing a thread is not a disciplinary action. Threads don't misbehave, there's really nothing you can do to them to discipline them.
Sorry if that went a bit over your head. I should have clarified. The disciplinary action is on the posters in the thread, usually the OP. Usually a mod locks a thread because it is breaking the forum rules, and it's accompanied by a warning or ban. 
Lansing Kai Don
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Zai that was beyond Q&A. You have to buy the game. End of story.
As for the cluttering up, I have said it time and time again. One topic per thread. When you search (which everyone should do first), it makes finding an answer *MUCH* easier
... And I have no clue where 2+2=4 comes into this. This is Guild Wars Q&A, not Philosophy Q&A It's not even philsophy it's science. But you said one definitive answer. I say there is no such thing... perhaps looking past your own perspective? I agree on the cluttering up, that is why we're trying to find solutions... maybe a suggestion? Besides, closing threads without deleting them.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. I need to add, that I see your perspective and while many things can be wrapped up in a one definitive solution "system requirements'", some do not. Hence, why I started this thread from people looking for solutions they weren't getting here. I, personally, would like to see this place stay filled with knowledgeable users, not just mods/admins.
As for the cluttering up, I have said it time and time again. One topic per thread. When you search (which everyone should do first), it makes finding an answer *MUCH* easier
... And I have no clue where 2+2=4 comes into this. This is Guild Wars Q&A, not Philosophy Q&A It's not even philsophy it's science. But you said one definitive answer. I say there is no such thing... perhaps looking past your own perspective? I agree on the cluttering up, that is why we're trying to find solutions... maybe a suggestion? Besides, closing threads without deleting them.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. I need to add, that I see your perspective and while many things can be wrapped up in a one definitive solution "system requirements'", some do not. Hence, why I started this thread from people looking for solutions they weren't getting here. I, personally, would like to see this place stay filled with knowledgeable users, not just mods/admins.
Bgnome
perhaps it is more acceptable to close a thread that has a question that can be answered in one or two lines?
i believe that the suggestions so far are mostly valid and i am sure at least i am giving them some further thought..
if posting wrong answers is the issue, perhaps we need to get that karma system going? we could strike down those that post inappropriate answers and reward those that post useful and informative answers..
i believe that the suggestions so far are mostly valid and i am sure at least i am giving them some further thought..
if posting wrong answers is the issue, perhaps we need to get that karma system going? we could strike down those that post inappropriate answers and reward those that post useful and informative answers..
Zai
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that is fairly simple. i have already reported this particular user. if you check his post history, he had already posted a similar thread here that i felt was directly dealt with. this particular user decided to press the issue. i do not enjoy such things.
It's still not a good idea for a mod to make comments like that. It's true after seeing his first post that he may have deserved such a comment, but you have to understand that other people are not going to bother checking his post history (I didn't). They see a mod flaming a poster who asked a simple question, and they will not think highly of you. As a mod you walk on egg shells, you need to remember you represent this site. It's not just the people you make the comments to that will get upset, but people who read them.
Scaphism
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I believe Sin left here because he posted something about WoW and a moderator/admin not naming names banned him.
If you're not naming names, I will. I was the first mod on the scene when Sin started spamming new threads, and I stand by my decision to delete them as spam. We've stated on multiple occasions in the Sanitarium and other forums that Guild Wars is not a copy of Game X in different clothes. Sin is an intelligent poster and he was well aware of the fact.
However, by no means did I "ban him on the spot." He was put on timeout, essentially, and as Spooky and the others have pointed out, he requested multiple times to have his account deleted. I have never banned anyone, and I hope I never have to. However, if the situation warrants banning, rest assured that weighty decisions like those are not made "on the spot." They are carefully weighed out and then acted on. And if I do ban someone, it will be for a good reason. Finally, it's important that community members come to us with feedback on how we can improve the site, just as is being done here. I make an effort to send a PM when I delete or moderate a thread. I am available to contact through PMs and I am often on the guru IRC channel. The fast response of the mods to this thread is just one piece of evidence about how much we value the community members here.
Bgnome
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Originally Posted by Zai
As a mod you walk on egg shells, you need to remember you represent this site. It's not just the people you make the comments to that will get upset, but people who read them.
i apologize if i have offended you. unfortunately, i am not one to walk upon eggshells. i do believe that i have the capability to hadle things with tact, as i hope my initial posts in this thread can illustrate, but i have no patience for the ignorant. i felt that this particular user had bad intentions from the getgo, even naming a new thread with a deceptive title. i feel that my post in the thread you linked is an accurate statement in such that if one cannot afford luxuries, at least make sure one's priorities are in order, ie food, clothing, shelter, etc. so such limitied resources are well spent. i did not believe that i needed to clarify the statement as such, but apologize if i gave you the wrong impression.
Dreamsmith
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Lansing Kai Don
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BGnome is our new mod, brought in specifically to help with the Q&A forum. We haven't abandoned him there to the wolves by any means, we're still there, modding away, trying to make the site the most informative GW site around.
If you're not naming names, I will. I was the first mod on the scene when Sin started spamming new threads, and I stand by my decision to delete them as spam. We've stated on multiple occasions in the Sanitarium and other forums that Guild Wars is not a copy of Game X in different clothes. Sin is an intelligent poster and he was well aware of the fact.
However, by no means did I "ban him on the spot." He was put on timeout, essentially, and as Spooky and the others have pointed out, he requested multiple times to have his account deleted.
I have never banned anyone, and I hope I never have to. However, if the situation warrants banning, rest assured that weighty decisions like those are not made "on the spot." They are carefully weighed out and then acted on. And if I do ban someone, it will be for a good reason.
Finally, it's important that community members come to us with feedback on how we can improve the site, just as is being done here. I make an effort to send a PM when I delete or moderate a thread. I am available to contact through PMs and I am often on the guru IRC channel. The fast response of the mods to this thread is just one piece of evidence about how much we value the community members here. I know Bgnome is your new mod. But you realize his position, and I was simply impying he has help. It's a compliment. IF your part of the story is true, and I can't take it as such. Then I'd lean towards Sin's not being banned... but I'd have to see the original posts. I wouldn't be able to make a judgement otherwise. Scaphism, you earned some points for sticking by your decision... but banning for 2 days or a year... it's still banning and the same emotional response ensues. If he asked for his account deleted before the post , I don't understand why he would but then I'd lean your way. But as since I'm not in your shoes I don't know the whole story... so therefore can't condone your actions. And you missed his point, he was trying to learn more about Game X and the lacking of Guild Wars you see from these games perspectives. He took a different direction than we've tried in the past... a more abstract direction.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. On that last paragraph I'm not sure if your fellow mods/admins agree with you. But thanks for letting me know you care.. it means alot to us. Especially since we're the ones dealing with authority we can't see and feel. It's good to see your open to suggestions. That's what this thread started out as.
If you're not naming names, I will. I was the first mod on the scene when Sin started spamming new threads, and I stand by my decision to delete them as spam. We've stated on multiple occasions in the Sanitarium and other forums that Guild Wars is not a copy of Game X in different clothes. Sin is an intelligent poster and he was well aware of the fact.
However, by no means did I "ban him on the spot." He was put on timeout, essentially, and as Spooky and the others have pointed out, he requested multiple times to have his account deleted.
I have never banned anyone, and I hope I never have to. However, if the situation warrants banning, rest assured that weighty decisions like those are not made "on the spot." They are carefully weighed out and then acted on. And if I do ban someone, it will be for a good reason.
Finally, it's important that community members come to us with feedback on how we can improve the site, just as is being done here. I make an effort to send a PM when I delete or moderate a thread. I am available to contact through PMs and I am often on the guru IRC channel. The fast response of the mods to this thread is just one piece of evidence about how much we value the community members here. I know Bgnome is your new mod. But you realize his position, and I was simply impying he has help. It's a compliment
. IF your part of the story is true, and I can't take it as such. Then I'd lean towards Sin's not being banned... but I'd have to see the original posts. I wouldn't be able to make a judgement otherwise. Scaphism, you earned some points for sticking by your decision... but banning for 2 days or a year... it's still banning and the same emotional response ensues. If he asked for his account deleted before the post , I don't understand why he would but then I'd lean your way. But as since I'm not in your shoes I don't know the whole story... so therefore can't condone your actions. And you missed his point, he was trying to learn more about Game X and the lacking of Guild Wars you see from these games perspectives. He took a different direction than we've tried in the past... a more abstract direction. Lansing Kai Don
P.S. On that last paragraph I'm not sure if your fellow mods/admins agree with you. But thanks for letting me know you care.. it means alot to us. Especially since we're the ones dealing with authority we can't see and feel. It's good to see your open to suggestions. That's what this thread started out as.
Bgnome
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Originally Posted by Lansing Kai Don
And you missed his point, he was trying to learn more about Game X and the lacking of Guild Wars you see from these games perspectives. He took a different direction than we've tried in the past... a more abstract direction.
Lansing Kai Don yes, but he was knowledgable enough to know a better way to do it. from what i saw, as i have no idea about PMs nor was i tracking his earlier behavior, he went about it by spamming a whole lot of threads and went fishing for flames.
Lansing Kai Don yes, but he was knowledgable enough to know a better way to do it. from what i saw, as i have no idea about PMs nor was i tracking his earlier behavior, he went about it by spamming a whole lot of threads and went fishing for flames.
Whosa Skylore
yes, sin did want his account deleted, and before he did he sent me a couple of pms and i tried to talk him out of leaving. i would link those pms but 1) im not supposed to do that i dont think 2) i deleted them. well since we allready have it up, he left because of the same reason you guys are mad he said that "the power of guru is goin to the admins head" and he said this because he wrote a like page answer to a guys question and one of the admins wrote a short answer right after his, like not giving credit to his answer or something (i didnt get it that much) but one thing he did and you guys didnt, is he didnt bring it live and everything, and personally i think this thread should have been in a pm, insted of starting this huge fire. but i was just clearing up why sin wanted his account deleted, dont know why this helps, but i just wish this had been in pm.
Scaphism
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but banning for 2 days or a year... it's still banning and the same emotional response ensues.
I disagree. A ban here means a permanent ban. A timeout is just that- time out. You get to come back afterwards. You may be upset about it, but you have time to sit back, reflect, and come back with more insight, hopefully.
Darkmane
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one would not be able to view the link if posted in a deleted thread. i could possibly PM such information, but there is a good chance that many will not read PMs as well. when i administrated on another board, i had manually turned on the PM popup to try to make them more noticeable but have not seen such a feature on these boards. I thought that you may edit your own post after you realized what I posted originally was just that. Sending a pm with the link at the bottom. If its a valid/new question, then theres no reason to delete the thread in the first place. Unlike some forum boards that are not easy to spot whether you have a PM or not, you can easily see this. And since many of the moderators have spoken about how 'a poster that does not know how to use the search function may not be a poster we want here anyway' Then the same reasoning could apply here. If they cannot read their pm's .... do you want them posting here too? Regardless, since I felt you mis-read or didn't read my entire post on the first page, I felt I would clarify.... I did mean for you to send a pm with a link that answerd their question, and informed them of why it was deleted. cheers! Lansing Kai Don
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yes, sin did want his account deleted, and before he did he sent me a couple of pms and i tried to talk him out of leaving. i would link those pms but 1) im not supposed to do that i dont think 2) i deleted them. well since we allready have it up, he left because of the same reason you guys are mad he said that "the power of guru is goin to the admins head" and he said this because he wrote a like page answer to a guys question and one of the admins wrote a short answer right after his, like not giving credit to his answer or something (i didnt get it that much) but one thing he did and you guys didnt, is he didnt bring it live and everything, and personally i think this thread should have been in a pm, insted of starting this huge fire. but i was just clearing up why sin wanted his account deleted, dont know why this helps, but i just wish this had been in pm.
I've got to leave from work and go to class. So I am unable to respond to anything after this. But why do you want to keep dirt under the rug, so to speak? I also received PM's by him, that's what started the initial response but they were not pinning blame.. just a retaliatory response from a man with his ideas/feelings bashed. I did keep the PM's and I would post them but I believe they were sent in confidentiality and if Sin wanted me to. I would, so the admins/mods would see it from his perspective (not saying he's right, but it never hurts to see things from all sides). If the admin/mods went into my PM's to retrieve it I'd consider it an invasion of privacy also. I don't know if you allow that kind of power exercised here, but you would not be seeing me again. Lansing Kai Don
Bgnome
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Regardless, since I felt you mis-read or didn't read my entire post on the first page, I felt I would clarify.... I did mean for you to send a pm with a link that answerd their question, and informed them of why it was deleted.
cheers! normally, i would consider this as a good rule of thumb. on the other hand, i am not looking forward to the increase in my workload and PM box maintenance that this would lead to.. 
Zai
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Locking a thread somebody started is an action against them. It is doing something to them. It's stopping them from continuing a topic they wanted to discuss. 
ratatass
Bgnome keep it up. I like your rapid closing of threads. Many of the questions can be found by search.
So, please don't back off...keep closing them. We need focus on this site. Good Job Bgnome! Whosa Skylore
i agree fully, everytime i see a post where im like...you dumb butt next second i look its closed with the answer or sticky that he could of just looked at. goodjob BGnomb. also,
But why do you want to keep dirt under the rug, so to speak? what do you mean? why would i want this in pm? because tis is an issue only admins really need to know about, you dont need to share it with the whole guru site. Loviatar
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Locking a thread somebody started is an action against them. It is doing something to them. It's stopping them from continuing a topic they wanted to discuss.
please understand that this is not an unlimited free speech area.it is private property we have the privilige of visiting and the owners apply house rules. i like their style as it reminds me of a very friendly well diciplined site that closed when the owner moved.
Zai
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
please understand that this is not an unlimited free speech area.
I have no idea what you're getting at. I never came close to even implying that it was.
Davion
Maintaining existing threads takes up active server space. By suggesting the usage of the search function before creating a thread on the same topic they are trying to maintain a streamlined focus to the forums. No personal actions against any individual are intended when they close threads. It is merely a way for them to keep the site efficient and non-redundant. In the long run, it works so much more for the better.
Loviatar
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Locking a thread somebody started is an action against them. It is doing something to them. It's stopping them from continuing a topic they wanted to discuss.
that sure looks like it 
Locking a thread somebody started is an action against them. It is doing something to them. It's stopping them from continuing a topic they wanted to discuss.
that sure looks like it
Darkmane
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Originally Posted by Davion
Maintaining existing threads takes up active server space. By suggesting the usage of the search function before creating a thread on the same topic they are trying to maintain a streamlined focus to the forums. No personal actions against any individual are intended when they close threads. It is merely a way for them to keep the site efficient and non-redundant. In the long run, it works so much more for the better.
Whether you want to think so or not, closing a thread insinuates a sign of anamosity towards the poster, and as I stated since this is an Official forum/site, you do not want to deter people away that simply don't know any better by closing a thread. Get rid of it entirely if the cleaning up is whats intended; along with stopping the 'multitude of duplicate posts'
Then why keep the thread at all and close it?... remove the thread.. point the poster to the right sticky, area, or reason why it was removed. Thank them for their input and have a nice day.
LOL .. mod Bg fanboys coming out of the woodwork!
Whether you want to think so or not, closing a thread insinuates a sign of anamosity towards the poster, and as I stated since this is an Official forum/site, you do not want to deter people away that simply don't know any better by closing a thread. Get rid of it entirely if the cleaning up is whats intended; along with stopping the 'multitude of duplicate posts'Then why keep the thread at all and close it?... remove the thread.. point the poster to the right sticky, area, or reason why it was removed. Thank them for their input and have a nice day.
LOL .. mod Bg fanboys coming out of the woodwork!
Zai
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that sure looks like it
No it doesn't. Nowhere did I say mods don't have the right to lock whatever they want to. Did you read my earlier posts and the posts I was replying to? Or did you take that paragraph out of context, because that's what it looks like to me.
No it doesn't. Nowhere did I say mods don't have the right to lock whatever they want to. Did you read my earlier posts and the posts I was replying to? Or did you take that paragraph out of context, because that's what it looks like to me.
Loviatar
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No it doesn't. Nowhere did I say mods don't have the right to lock whatever they want to. Did you read my earlier posts and the posts I was replying to? Or did you take that paragraph out of context, because that's what it looks like to me.
full post number 57
nothing taken out of context
i do not do things like that
nothing taken out of context
i do not do things like that
Lansing Kai Don
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I've got to leave from work and go to class. So I am unable to respond to anything after this. But why do you want to keep dirt under the rug, so to speak? I also received PM's by him, that's what started the initial response but they were not pinning blame.. just a retaliatory response from a man with his ideas/feelings bashed. I did keep the PM's and I would post them but I believe they were sent in confidentiality and if Sin wanted me to. I would, so the admins/mods would see it from his perspective (not saying he's right, but it never hurts to see things from all sides). If the admin/mods went into my PM's to retrieve it I'd consider it an invasion of privacy also. I don't know if you allow that kind of power exercised here, but you would not be seeing me again.
Lansing Kai Don
I am quoting myself because on reflection I've found that I deviated far from the original thread. This was NOT intended to go this route, so I fully expect and hope the admins will delete any of my posts that do not pertain to the original thread... I am sorry for encouragaing discussion in a wrongful direction (I get sidetracked easily). While I encourage these discussions, they can be moved to a different thread. I don't mind other people here moving off topic, but as for me (the original poster) it was wrong of me. Sorry. Now back on topic, Bgnome did you think of any other possible conclusions.. by the way I'm still in class but on a restroom break. I also will have a lot to do tonight and may not be on later. That's how much I love you guys, I used my restroom break to come back and apologize.
Lansing Kai Don
Lansing Kai Don
I am quoting myself because on reflection I've found that I deviated far from the original thread. This was NOT intended to go this route, so I fully expect and hope the admins will delete any of my posts that do not pertain to the original thread... I am sorry for encouragaing discussion in a wrongful direction (I get sidetracked easily). While I encourage these discussions, they can be moved to a different thread. I don't mind other people here moving off topic, but as for me (the original poster) it was wrong of me. Sorry. Now back on topic, Bgnome did you think of any other possible conclusions.. by the way I'm still in class but on a restroom break. I also will have a lot to do tonight and may not be on later. That's how much I love you guys, I used my restroom break to come back and apologize.
Lansing Kai Don
Dreamsmith
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Zai
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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=discipline
Discipline doesn't only mean to punish.
Manderlock
This has been going for too damn long.
Mods/admins make mistakes there human too.
This started as a helpful suggestion, now its truned into the blame game.
If you think you know how to make it better, leave a post. If not you should refrain from posting.
At the start of this I though it was a good idea, i.e. why I posted on it. Im sorry for asking about sin, that just took us further from the real issue.
So please no more underhanded comments, it makes me sad how a real issue can be covered up by so much crap.
Mods/admins make mistakes there human too.
This started as a helpful suggestion, now its truned into the blame game.
If you think you know how to make it better, leave a post. If not you should refrain from posting.
At the start of this I though it was a good idea, i.e. why I posted on it. Im sorry for asking about sin, that just took us further from the real issue.
So please no more underhanded comments, it makes me sad how a real issue can be covered up by so much crap.
Whosa Skylore
To punish in order to gain control or enforce obedience. See Synonyms at punish.
it means both, but closing a thread is not punishing them, end of discuaaion. if they were ment to be punished they would get a warning of even banned.
it means both, but closing a thread is not punishing them, end of discuaaion. if they were ment to be punished they would get a warning of even banned.
THX
First of all, let me state a few words about the Sin incident. We do not ban individuals for having made simple mistakes, nor do we participate in so-called "witch hunts". However, users are banned if they cross the line. The line is not unjust, as it is based in common sense. I don't believe any non-admin/mod may fully understand the reasoning behind our decision, nor would it be right for us to push it into the public eye. However, I will state this: What you hear and what you believe to be true is not always factual, as reprimand-based discussions are inherently deceitful. Our decision was thought out, it was fair and it was collectively decided based upon numerous tangible and intangible factors over a period of time. I do not believe the topic should be further discussed, as there is too much misinformation and in the end, our actions were justified.
Secondly, I believe feedback and suggestions are necessary and valuable. Many quality comments have been made and we will at the very least consider their potential benefit. However, it is in my current opinion that we are indeed pursuing the correct path, albeit it is a somewhat unpopular stance. From my experience, to not actively hinder certain discussions a forum will eventually become a mess too large to clean up. Essentially, you are what you see. If a new member witnesses others asking simple obvious (answered) questions, apparently without searching, chances are the behavior will be reproduced. Do we dislike this because we do not wish to take the time and correctly answer the questions? No, this is not the case. It is merely, from experience, an effective way of curbing redundancy and allowing new discussions to receive the attention they deserve.
Lastly, closing a thread is not in any way or form a sign of animosity towards the forum member. The site generally operates on a macro level, a thread is closed because it needs to be closed. Do some members perceive their thread's closure as an insult? Maybe, if so the user is likely a little too self-important. Forum moderation is as a whole generally impersonal and it would be wise to perceive it that way.
Feel free to continue discussing the issue, however remember that this is not an us versus them situation. We close threads because we believe it is the right thing to do, not because we take pleasure from it.
Secondly, I believe feedback and suggestions are necessary and valuable. Many quality comments have been made and we will at the very least consider their potential benefit. However, it is in my current opinion that we are indeed pursuing the correct path, albeit it is a somewhat unpopular stance. From my experience, to not actively hinder certain discussions a forum will eventually become a mess too large to clean up. Essentially, you are what you see. If a new member witnesses others asking simple obvious (answered) questions, apparently without searching, chances are the behavior will be reproduced. Do we dislike this because we do not wish to take the time and correctly answer the questions? No, this is not the case. It is merely, from experience, an effective way of curbing redundancy and allowing new discussions to receive the attention they deserve.
Lastly, closing a thread is not in any way or form a sign of animosity towards the forum member. The site generally operates on a macro level, a thread is closed because it needs to be closed. Do some members perceive their thread's closure as an insult? Maybe, if so the user is likely a little too self-important. Forum moderation is as a whole generally impersonal and it would be wise to perceive it that way.
Feel free to continue discussing the issue, however remember that this is not an us versus them situation. We close threads because we believe it is the right thing to do, not because we take pleasure from it.
Dreamsmith
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Zai
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Edit: Wow.
OK, step by step.
Discipline - A state of order based on submission to rules and authority
Disciplined - To impose order on
Disciplinary - Of, relating to, or used for discipline
A thread breaks the forum rules, say it discusses a subject not appropriate like warez. It is locked. Why? To impose order on the forums. That is a disciplinary action. The original topic starter had his thread locked, he can no longer continue the subject that was against the rule, order was imposed on him, he was disciplined. Do I need to continue? At no point was I ever talking about punishment.
Lansing Kai Don
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Secondly, I believe feedback and suggestions are necessary and valuable. Many quality comments have been made and we will at the very least consider their potential benefit. However, it is in my current opinion that we are indeed pursuing the correct path, albeit it is a somewhat unpopular stance. From my experience, to not actively hinder certain discussions a forum will eventually become a mess too large to clean up. Essentially, you are what you see. If a new member witnesses others asking simple obvious (answered) questions, apparently without searching, chances are the behavior will be reproduced. Do we dislike this because we do not wish to take the time and correctly answer the questions? No, this is not the case. It is merely, from experience, an effective way of curbing redundancy and allowing new discussions to receive the attention they deserve.
Lastly, closing a thread is not in any way or form a sign of animosity towards the forum member. The site generally operates on a macro level, a thread is closed because it needs to be closed. Do some members perceive their thread's closure as an insult? Maybe, if so the user is likely a little too self-important. Forum moderation is as a whole generally impersonal and it would be wise to perceive it that way.
Feel free to continue discussing the issue, however remember that this is not an us versus them situation. We close threads because we believe it is the right thing to do, not because we take pleasure from it. First paragraph, justification is a perception on those who deem the justice justifiable. Yeh alliteration, isn't it great.. but I'm not going any further... as I said not the direction I wanted.
Second paragraph, from my own experience in forums the direction you're going is leading to certain death... otherwise I'd have said nothing.
Third paragraph, agreed but if totally impersonal there is a cold stand-offish feeling (what we're trying to avoid with these suggestions).
Last paragraph, that was what this forum was meant to be. Suggestions, nothing more... just wisdom and innovation passed on.
Lansing Kai Don
Dreamsmith
Guys, sorry, but I think at this point we're just going around in circles rather than suggesting anything new or helpful.
There is no perfect solution to this kind of problem, and no matter what option you choose, it's going to have positive effects somewhere and negative impacts somewhere else. Which positives are most important and which negatives are most tolerable are subjective opinions, there is no one right answer here.
Those who are doing the actions, who have the job of making these judgments, have explained their rationale. We've all had our say about it, and we still don't see eye to eye. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
There is no perfect solution to this kind of problem, and no matter what option you choose, it's going to have positive effects somewhere and negative impacts somewhere else. Which positives are most important and which negatives are most tolerable are subjective opinions, there is no one right answer here.
Those who are doing the actions, who have the job of making these judgments, have explained their rationale. We've all had our say about it, and we still don't see eye to eye. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.