OMG The Prices!

IRL, would you prefer wearing cloths without any decoration (or color) or with a design you like ?
geez, they are only cloths, they will keep you warm the same way

what's wrong in liking the design of the FoW armor better than others ?

That´s not how I meant it. I like colored armor and diversity. It was reaction to those complainers, who say they will quit or that this game will die only because someone else was in the right time on the right place and will have in a few mins FoW armor (but the armor won´t give any person any gaming advantage over others, so why do they complain ? )

Well, I'de like to have some FoW armor becuase that's one of my objectives left with the game (Besides getting all the skills, upgrades and doing every single UW/FoW quest), atleast in the PvE spectrum. I'm working on that. It's a simble of accomplishment. But if it costs so much gold and resources, things that I don't have, I'm not going to buy money off e-bay or something

I certainly wouldn't buy 400 dollar jeans in real life ^^

I agree with Sagius on the subject of FoW armour.

It's not about splurging 60k + cost of materials & working your way through FoW, all for the sake of armour that just has a nice graphic, it's the challenge of getting there and achieving a goal.

In Final Fantasy games, for instance, you may complete the game, but there is usually an uber-tough boss hidden away somewhere in a very difficult area. It doesn't affect the outcome of the game, but it provides a distinct challenge.

In a similar way, FoW armour (and acquiring it) offers a different challenge, serving no other real purpose other than to prolong the game and make it more interesting for PvE'rs who have completed the final mission.

Of course, there are several ways of getting your mitts on FoW armour, a few of which are more challenging than others (Collecting Ecto or Obsidian after several UW/FoW runs instead of just farming and buying it from traders, for instance), but the actual Armour itself is not half as important as the effort put in and satisfaction gained in obtaining it.

You do realize that most UW or FoW runs turn up 2 or 3 of the items, max? Farming ecto by doing normal 8 player runs is bordering on the insanely time consuming.

Damn you! I thought I lived in the actually-realized Ascalon!

different people have different goals

btw : WHERE ARE ALL THE SUPERIOR MONK RUNES ?

I think they are being bought up faster then they are generated/sold to the trader. Not only are they out of stock, I am not even seeing them listed.

Err.. Does this mean.. we're competing with Europe and Korea for ALL traders? Because... that's just insane.

I'll tell ya it is WORK to get a Superior monk Rune. they show up and are out of stock before I can click on it. But if you hammer away at it..you will finally get one.

I have been buying up some so I can infuse different armor and become a Swap out monk. Kinda cool to switch around to the Attributes you need more for a mission.

What is everyone on this forum an economics major??? Who cares what the prices have done. It's a game. I took advantage of the price drop and made good from it. It sucks if other people missed it, but everyone acts like it's gonna destroy the code or saying F Guild Wars. People seem to always look for some big get rich quick scheme on this game (running, farming, material hording), if that works for you that's cool, but if it doesn't who cares. The games meant to be about having fun. Fissure armor and ub3r godly weapons are for the people who like the grind that Guild Wars doesn't really give. If you're extremely pissed about being poor, get on Ebay and buy yourself 500p.

and you are having fun by hoarding things and making them unavailable for others ?

dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum

No, he's having fun thinking "hahaha I made billions in 10 minutes, this update was cool, stop whining, if you want as gold as I just made, go ebay noob, if you want a weapon and I want it too, I'll always bid more than you, if you want fissure armor, I'll buy 2 fullsets for each piece of set you'll buy" etc etc etc
But it's entire Anet fault. :<

Err, who are you talking/refering to?

Why does anyone care that someone has more stuff/money than them out of pure luck? I mean really, most of you will earn it (or buy it off e-bay) so why do you care if they have more money?

Oh, please, the 100-400 people that stocked up on superior vigors are NOT omni-present How will they "always be there to outbid you"?

indeed, lol

what is with people bashing america because they like to think they are the best? its what seperates us from all other countries, we like to think we are the best, but in the back of our minds we know that we are no better than any other country out there...stuff like....america is nothing but a bunch of fat morons.... that only leads to racism and prejudice...calm down people

Guess I missed that. Now everyone has FISSURE armor.

You're wrong dude.
Now everyone has a couple of fullsets of fissure armor. Also stocks of ectos/shards.

Agreed.

While I personally am a PvPer and have already gotten all of basic equipment I want (droknar's armor, collectors' weapons, etc.) I don't really care that the prices reset and were abused like hell. Yes, I have thought about getting the fissure armor, and I was quite aggravated after I found out what I missed, but I don't think it's too bad. Of course only half the game (if that) is PvP, so my opinion does not represent the community.

Most PvE'ers (correct me if I'm wrong, please) have wanted to work and save up for their fissure armor among other things, which was, aside from a status symbol, a symbol of their hard work. By allowing a few players to cash in has completely destroyed that. Also, the economy (which is strictly PvE) has been more or less destroyed by the hoarding/unavailability of many items. So basically, all the PvE'ers, who make up the other half of the population, have gotten seriously shafted.

I honestly don't think Arenanet's capable of this kind of incompetence, and I hate to say it, but I think they've just decided to neglect/kill the PvE portion of the game.

Ok, I decided to take it upon myself to help combat this "hoarding" of superior runes that everybody keeps complaining about. I wanted a set of Monk runes to make a "105" farming monk. So I brought the entire set of runes from the trader for under 20k in less than 5 minutes of talking to the trader, and then I was like, "Wait, these runes are suppose to be hard to buy from the trader, why was I able to buy the entire set?" Maybe I got the magic touch or something (actually, it's all about timing). Anyways, I decided to continue to buy more runes and sell them at very low prices to the people who keep complaining that they cannot buy superior runes. I was spamming WTS many different runes for about 250 to 500g above the trader price, small compensation for my work in getting them from the trader (and to somewhat prevent the horders who spend all day buying runes from just simply taking advantage of my work). Nobody wanted to buy a single one of my runes. I went through several districts of Lion's Arch, Droknar's, Ascalon, etc. Not a single person wanted to buy. So here I was hanging onto about 40 Superior Runes, including some that were quite expensive (Superior Healing cost 7.5k at the trader), and I couldn't sell them at all. I decided to lower some of them down to the same price as the traders to see what would happen and then some people called me a scammer cause I was selling Superior Runes for 250g. They were saying that I was abusing the trader...

In the end, I was only able to sell some of my Monk Runes. I sold 3 of them for 7k and kept a set for Monk runes for myself and gave the others to friends. Then I sold about 40 Superior Runes (they were not the unpopular ones like Earth or Beastmastery, they were Axe, Swordsmanship, Marksmanship, etc) back to the trader because I had nothing to do with them. What I have learned is that most PvE people don't want to use Superior Runes at all (which is probably why their prices were all very very low a month back when they traders were logical). Most people are just complaining about not being able to buy superior runes just because it's something to complain about (yeah, there's probably one guy complaining who is serious, but most others are just complaining because it is something to complain about). Let the hoarders buy up all the Superior Runes of Beastmastery or Earth, etc. They are just going to hang onto it for a while because it's useless. I just wasted 20k gold today because I couldn't sell the runes to players for their trader prices and I had to sell back to trader. Tried to help the community, but no help was actually needed or wanted at all.

Noblepaladin just stated the good thing about this, though. All the horders spent 100k+ on runes that no one will buy.

It's a shame, every time I try to help someone people call me a scammer too o.o

One time I was bored so I went to Beacon's Perch and was saying "Running people to Forge for 500 gold; 250 at Snake's Dance 250 at Rankor" when the going price was 3k. About 1-3 people yelled "SCAMMER!! DONT LISTEN TO HIM HE'LL TAKE YOU OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NO WHERE AND TAKE YOUR MONEY THEN LEAVE!!"

I guess nobody trusts anything at all now O.O I notice that it's also extremely hard to give things away for free.

I know what you mean, one time when I used to be rich I was giving away 100k divided up amongst the first 10 people to find me. So I said so, and all of a sudden loads of people said I was a scammer who'd hack their accounts if they traded with me. ...right...

And whenever I put up "Giving away my inventory, all things max dmg, pm me for something you want" Nobody ever...wants to, they all think it's a scam or something.

The best way to give away money and items is to go to random people, open a trade without saying anything, put 100k in the trade slot, and give it to 'em.

maybe no-one will buy their runes but the fact is at the moment many runes are unavailable
they are in the list but if you clik on them, they just disappear

actually you just gotta be fast about it, it took me forever to get my superior air

It is most definitely a bot behind all this.

I've been noticing the "pattern" behind the sells and buys.. they just sell starting from the mes runes down to warrior runes (as they are ordered by the trader) and buy back again using the same exact order.

What I hope is Anet just implement server side checks to flag accounts which are just TOO SUSPICIOUSLY FAST, and delete that account once and for all.

And probably delete it off the backups too. Even if it is not a bot I'm pretty sure such activities violate the EULA in "some way".

WTF, now every superior runes of every classes are unavailable O_o

Ok the rune traders are stupid, I just tried without sucess to get a superior mesmer rune. I zone into several cities and went up to the trader, a few times it was there then I requested a quote and they always run out of stock, what the hell is this crap. :/

Yes..that is Exactly what is happening. You have to keep hammering away at it until you get one. It is doable.

but it's not supposed to be like this
I smell something fishy there
several bots buying and selling at the same time ?

Hmmmm. A evil conspiracy?

Think about it, what the hell is a horder going to do with weird runes like Necro Soul Reaping, Ranger Beastmastery, Mesmer fast casting, and the less popular ones that almost nobody would put into their armor? I tried helping people get runes at low prices because I know when to try to buy them to have the best chances of getting a rune and nobody wants those runes from me, even if I sell at trader price. This is a good thing, those rich bots are draining some of their gold away for stuff that nobody really wants (they just complain they can't buy it, but they really don't want to buy it). The monk runes are the ones that some people would actually use (except that most people who wants a 105 monk probably has one already). I had a very hard time selling the Monk runes I obtained from the trader at low prices (same as trader prices) because it seems like most people expect the traders to eventually start having stock soon. It's going to be hard to keep buying up the runes like that as the days continue, it's very expensive.

I got a bunch of monk runes after the price dropped. It's not really that hard to keep except for the lack of inventory space. I'm gonna keep these runes until 1) Anet reinstates captalism within the game 2) The game goes down because many people are leaving after getting sick of grinding for their armor
3) buy out the market so that people will still have to pay high for them <--what people are doing now

Now the only way to get even close to having enough money for post Dorknar armor is to farm with a 105 monk(which people aren't gonna have a problem getting now), which is just expoitive but more time consuming, not to mention using up more bandwidth. Also the people that can afford to buy stacks of Ectos still get to sell them high, so if you weren't at the right place at the right time when the price reset, you're still nerfed.

I WENT OFF BEFORE RESET.

It was that hard to hear about my mistake - i could sspit out my mind and trample on it around.

I DONT CRY ABOUT. I DONT WANT 2k Ectos. I DONT WANT TO BE RICH.

I WANT ONE +15>50 WEAP. NO CRYSTALLINE.
I WANT ONE OR TWO FISSURE PIECES . I can still buy them by fArming.

Only. If u COULD set the OIL PRIZE down ... WOULD u ALLOW anyone to buy ALL THE OIL IN THE WORLD ?? WOULD IT HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD ??

NO !!

THANKS ANET - Before, it was not PERFECT - it needed to THINK to get some stuff. Thats FAIR . Thats LIFE.
but U made it WORSE than in REAL LIFE. Sorry for my words but ...
U STUPID ******************** I CANT BELIEVE ur so FU***** DAMN, DUMB IDIOTS.

Ur UPDATE WERE GREAT. UR REACTION WERE GREAT. UR SUPPORT WERE GREAT.
HOW COULD U FOOL ALL PLAYER LIKE THIS.

THE HELL - SHUT DOWN SERVERS SOME HOUR FOR THIS.
RESET PRIZES TO HALF !!!! (ie. lil more REALISTIC)
BUT THIS ...
...I DONT EVEN FIND WORDS 4 IT.
I WENT CRAZY.

U GOT STUPID BY READING TOO MANY STUPID SUGGETIONS to make ur NICE game better ?? Dont READ SO MUCH. THINK A SECOND.

RETARDS.
NO PLAYER IS SUCH A NOOB LIKE U @Anet.
No FAULT at the Guys buying Ectos in MASSES.
If i`d go shopping and could buy FERRARIS + even SPACESHIPS for 100 Dollar..
.. which normal human would say NO ??!! Or even buy only ONE ??!!

FERRARI WOULD NEVER SELL so CHEAP.(for an half hour)
even G O D would not let this happen.
U ARE OUR GAME GODS. U CAN DO ALL. IT S UR GAME.
U MADE UR CREATION GOING INSANE.

I promise, if i wouldnt know ur human and very very failable ... i would inSTANTLY went to ur Central Building and STICK U ALL UR ECTO IN UR ASS.

U NERV FARMING. U PUT IN SOME MESMERS + SO ON. NICE.
U DIDNT KILL ANY SKILL. U DIDNT CHANGED EXISTING + FUNCTIONAL THINGS


I PLAY ON. I ONLY WANT U TO KNOW. I WILL NO LONGER PRAY TO UR SUPPORT. I WILL NOMORE POST ANY THING. I WILL MAKE NO MORE SUGGESTIONS TO ANYTHING. MAKE UR OWN SHIT. LEAVE US ALONE LIKE U've DONE IT NOW. PLAY WITH US. PLAY GOD.


at the end. SORRY. I got mad+crazy. I need a PSYCHO-DOC.
I SEND U THE B I L L

i feel sorry for your caplocks key..

well i think its finaly slowing down, this is the only econ thread ive seen sofar today.. and it better stay that way..

Quoted for TRUTH.

It takes very sophisticated programming to run economic simulations. Its impossible in a game like this to run the economy better than only the very rough basics. Which means there will always be ways to fool the simulation. The only alternative is to use fixed prices at all stages. Of course one can also ignore the situation thinking: originally runes were not meant to be for sale, you had to find them. So any rune you CAN buy is an option you can take or leave.

Anyway, think of alternatives:
-No runetraders with superior runes (or maybe no runetraders at all??), just wait for what you find and exchange with fellow players (problem: some players have bought tons of runes and can play the market anyway they like).
-Fixed prices and always stock.
-Make runes 'unique' meaning you can own only 1 of the same at the time (yes thats a mean one )

I usually hate posts like this, but this guy was able to express how I feel better than I would ever be able to. Thanks NeVerMinD

/agree

yeeah ... i hate my caps and my Post ...

But i spended so many hours in this game ... wasting time ...
... its enough to get the bad things real ... i dont want this happen in game to me...

... I will delete some words ... personal ones ...
... no more posts+threads like this.

//edit ... THRUTH needs to be CAPSLOCKED + PINNED ON EVRY WALL !!
// Pandora ... u dont need to go to any other extremes.
talk less - think more - even its all so sophisti-whatever...
... its not that hard to AVOID major problems.