Point, Game, Match

SOT

SOT

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

East Texas

12 Aug 2005 at 06:38 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
Well its not just people disagreeing with eachother, it seems people don't know what they want themselves. Everyone was saying "fix the econ" and when they do half of the people shouting that for the past week is all like "way to screw us over Anet"... they should be like "Thank you Anet, you care, but we are seem to have messed up the econ again, oh well i guess we as players, the ones who screwed it up should fix it now"

I don't mind people disagreeing with eachother, thats perfectly normal and can some times help figure out what would be best for the game, but when they disagree with themself and blame Anet for what clearly is not their fault (give me one reason why people buying 300 ectos has anything to do with Anet... tell me?), thats just the point of no return

However i guess some people find it hard to see past their own needs
And as I said many threads ago, and was summarily told to can it, HUMAN NATURE WINS AGAIN!

varyag

varyag

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wrath of Nature [Fury]

Me/Mo

12 Aug 2005 at 07:28 - 42
Uh huh

*resumes grinding for skillpoints*
*elevator music*

Ashley Twig

Ashley Twig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

germany

Guild Of Openhearted Deeds

R/Mo

12 Aug 2005 at 07:38 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silmor
ArenaNet caused those spasms of insanity. If they had properly tested their changes before implementing them, we wouldn't have had these spasms in the first place.
I think I have to agree here.

It's always very amusing to see, how company's (microsoft e.g.) play the hero for fixing bugs/exploits/security issues/etc. they caused themselves.

Like a fireman, starting a fire to look good when he puts it out again.

But I think I'm to blame for the whacked up economy.

About 3 weeks ago I challenged the developers/support/PR with a rather cunning and almost impossible task.
I guess my imoral behavior caused the devs to neglect the development of the economy. So ban me, flame me. It's all my fault.

BigTru

BigTru

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 08:07 - 44
FACT: No matter what they do, Ectoeplasm will always be overpriced =p

Angelina

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 08:14 - 45
exept for thoses who buyed more than 500 ectos at less than 500 gold each.
Gaara : I think that ANY player will buy as maximum ectos as he can for 500 each, because you make a profit of 10k per ecto, because prices WILL go up. The merchant is out of stock, that mean all ectos have been bought. I don't understand why Anet has let so many ectos for some ridiculous price, and why the prices are getting high. By ectos I'm also talking about runes and other materials (shards,...)
What's the point giving billion gold to some players in 5 minutes ?
So yes, I blame Anet, for wasting all my time spended on that game, because in 5 minutes some players made an amount of gold I'll never have in months of game.

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

12 Aug 2005 at 08:15 - 46
something i don't understand:

trader: ecto 9k sell
ok...bit low, but good
trader: ecto 7k buy
ok...understandable...2k difference is not bad.
i'll take the ecto for 9k...
trader: ecto out of stock
ok....
trader: ecto 6.5k buy
er? now it is out of stock, less payment?

Angelina

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 08:18 - 47
I think it wont go down to 6.5k

(to assure a minimum profit of 6k to thoses who buyed at 500 each)

Sunman222

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Moa Birds

W/E

12 Aug 2005 at 08:20 - 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
you my good sir are the one who is confused, i know very well how the econ works, people just don't understand that limited stock + constant buyers + low sellers = high prices, aka: Back to square one

so please make sure you know who you are taking to before you post, or i will have to prove you wrong time and time again...

Looks to me like no matter what Anet does it can't keep these monkeys happy, they have alreay proven that they listen and care about us as players, and we as players (well most of us) have showed we don't care about that and we just want more, more, more right now...
Oh yeah, they listen and care about us players (PVE), lets not forgot about all the PVP players that have already quit and gave up on GW because of their lack of response to the instrumental problems surrounding PVP. I've heard some of the best solutions get shut down. The next update is a PVE update, obviously it looks like they care about PVE more than PVP. Cause really, is it that hard to tweak Natures and spirits to make it more balanced?

I like that they fixed the buy back prices cause yes, that was pissing me off like everyone else. But resetting the prices????? WTF is that about. You just made the people that got in on it super rich in the coming days and people who didn't work their asses off getting fissure materials cheaply. That is a slap in the face to everyone else who actually worked to get their materials and gold.

You still haven't said a thing that makes me think you know a thing about economics. You figured out why their are high prices, yet you think going back to square one as you put it, solves stuff? LOLOLOLOLOL Roflcopter plz. The prices are where they are at due to demand and scarcity (rarity in GW), which drives the economy both in RL and GW. Just because gas prices are high as heck doesn't mean we simply drop it to under 1.00 because everyone doesnt like paying high gas prices.

If you're calling us monkeys, what the heck are you? A goldfish?

Angelina

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 08:27 - 49
omg 100% agree

Ferrari coast alot of money. Is that why they sell them for $1,00 every thursday nights ?
Like that you can buy 10 ferrari with $10,00 and resell them for 1,000,0000,1000,0,1,0,10,,10,,1,010,1,00000 dollars ? LOL

Kabale

Kabale

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

UK

Portrayors of Valour [pV]

12 Aug 2005 at 09:08 - 50
Quote:
Everyone is just jealous. I didn't get in on the sale and to be honest I am a little bummed but I cant really blame those that did. If I were in their position, I would have done the same thing. Anet changed the traders wonderfully! Its just the reset of prices that was unnecessary and stupid.
This is exactly how I feel, all those that got lucky, sympathize for us

I'm not that P.O.'d about it, but yeah, left out... Too bad I got a headache 2 hours before they decided to put in the update, and decided to call it a night.

Btw. With this patch... If in the States the patch came out during working hours, and in Europe during the nite (2am I think)...then, for Korea, was it at like 5pm or something?? That would mean they got the most of it. Wouldn't bloody surprise me

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 11:02 - 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
you my good sir are the one who is confused, i know very well how the econ works, people just don't understand that limited stock + constant buyers + low sellers = high prices, aka: Back to square one

so please make sure you know who you are taking to before you post, or i will have to prove you wrong time and time again...

Looks to me like no matter what Anet does it can't keep these monkeys happy, they have alreay proven that they listen and care about us as players, and we as players (well most of us) have showed we don't care about that and we just want more, more, more right now...
They fixed an obvious bug: Major rune 11,9k / 25 gold. Thats not something great. thats how it should be.

By fixing this bug, they resetted prices, allowing a selected few to aquire HUGE riches. It was their mistake, and not the players. If you put a basket full of bread amidsts starving children, and you start to complain about "private property" after they eat it, you deserve to be shot. Same thing with leaving your car in a slum with the key inside.

Now the economy is not a big part of GW, but even such a simple fix lead to more lame mistakes and more injustice. Noone complains about this obvious bugfix - its the new "lowprice for a short time" bug. But if they cant even fix something like that without causing even more trouble, can they actually fix parts of the game that matter?

Stop defending such lame mistakes.

michaeldt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 11:14 - 52
the idea behind the fix is good. but inorder to sync the traders inall regions, they had to reset the prices. however some numb nut at anet decided it would be better to just set them all to their lowest value.

why not average out the prices from all regions and set the prices to that. then let the economy settle down gently.

now, all the US players who were online and bought all the stock, are rich, and the people who live in europe and Korea now have no stock at all!! wow, nice job !!!

Infecta

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/Mo

12 Aug 2005 at 13:22 - 53
Ya, might as well remove the rune traders now since they carry no stock at all. Woo hoo!!

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Aug 2005 at 14:54 - 54
Fixing buyback prices, good. Benefits are obvious.

Syncing traders in all regions, good (there were people with two accounts, one in Euro and one in America, and they would buy in Euro and traders sell in America using WTS for profit). Also stops the 4am buyers from getting stuff for very cheap just because they can stay up that late or are in a timezone where less people tend to be on.

Restocking traders and setting prices down to 100g, horrible. Random redistribution of billions of gold to a few people.

If the algorithm represents supply and demand at all, their buy prices and sell prices should start increasing soon, meaning they will have stock but at a much higher price. 3k gold for a monk superior rune is definitely too low, which is why it is out of stock. What I don't understand is why many runes like the Monk ones and why Ecto does not increase in price over the values they are at right now, because there is obviously enormous demand for them at the current price. Vigor and Absorption sure skyrocketed quickly (eventually people will start selling them and bring the things back to an equilbrium price), but the other items won't change in price meaning people will keep buying up the stock because it's priced too cheap (and nobody would sell back).

Divinitys Creature

Divinitys Creature

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere between the Real World and Tyria ;P

The Gothic Embrace [Goth]

12 Aug 2005 at 15:39 - 55
:- ( I wanted to buy some 300 gp ectos D;

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

12 Aug 2005 at 15:54 - 56
ANet!

Resupply the merchants regularly, like KMart and Target are resupplied regularly!

Everything fixed!

'nuff said.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

12 Aug 2005 at 22:16 - 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunman222
Oh yeah, they listen and care about us players (PVE), lets not forgot about all the PVP players that have already quit and gave up on GW because of their lack of response to the instrumental problems surrounding PVP. I've heard some of the best solutions get shut down. The next update is a PVE update, obviously it looks like they care about PVE more than PVP. Cause really, is it that hard to tweak Natures and spirits to make it more balanced?

I like that they fixed the buy back prices cause yes, that was pissing me off like everyone else. But resetting the prices????? WTF is that about. You just made the people that got in on it super rich in the coming days and people who didn't work their asses off getting fissure materials cheaply. That is a slap in the face to everyone else who actually worked to get their materials and gold.

You still haven't said a thing that makes me think you know a thing about economics. You figured out why their are high prices, yet you think going back to square one as you put it, solves stuff? LOLOLOLOLOL Roflcopter plz. The prices are where they are at due to demand and scarcity (rarity in GW), which drives the economy both in RL and GW. Just because gas prices are high as heck doesn't mean we simply drop it to under 1.00 because everyone doesnt like paying high gas prices.

If you're calling us monkeys, what the heck are you? A goldfish?
sometimes replying is all too easy....

Im not big on PvP, but ive played a few times, and i think its fine, all i ever hear is people complaining about spirit spamming and spiking building... non of which has anything to do with Anet, but instead the players who decided to use it... aside from that i see nothing wrong with PvP.. lets not forget i think GW is a little more PvE than PvP, and Anet has no control of what build is more popular than others, some people just hear of a good build and flock like sheep, sadly thats human nature (you hear something is the best and you go for it), Anet could tweek them... but then what about people who use spirits but not in a spamming way?... once again Anet will be making someone happy and making another angry, once again back to where they started

Once again, bringing the prices down was an ok idea.. the people who though "wow 300gp ecto!" and bought 1000 of them are the ones to blame, Anet did what people wanted, they lowed the price and people responded in a horrible way.. Our probem, not Anets. I feel it is now up to us as players to show Anet we are not childeren and we can take care of ourselves and we fix the econ if we really wanted to... you can only hang on to Anet so long before your on your own, and right now thats what happend... Once again Anet makes poor people happy and its the farmers time to revolt... prices are up, farmers are angry, almost everyone is insainly rich... not quite back to square one, but pretty darn close.

It does not take a high idea of math to understand the econ, so there is no use in trying to make it sound that way, i can make is simple, less stock = higher prices, more stock = lower prices. See wasnt that fun?

When ever something does not go their way people do the easyest thing they can think of, blame the creaters

Kali Ma

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

12 Aug 2005 at 22:28 - 58
Quote:
Resupply the merchants regularly, like KMart and Target are resupplied regularly!

Everything fixed!
The trader does get resupplied... by the players! The biggest reason the economy got so messed up to begin with is because nobody sold items of worth to the trader. The prices go up when more people buy than sell, and items go out of stock until players sell them back. When the update hit, there was a big rush to buy, and so the stock dwindled. Now that the trader's have been fixed to offer more reasonable prices when they buy things from us, eventually more people will sell to them and the stock will rise.

Not everybody enjoys wasting time in LA and Ascalon dist 1 posting "WTS" messages for hours on end. If the trader offers a reasonable buy back price, then the majority of these players will simply sell there instead. I know that I will.

Eventually the stock will rise, sell prices will drop and everything will even out.

Thank you Anet, and Gaile. /bow

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

12 Aug 2005 at 23:23 - 59
Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.

Aracos79

Aracos79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Great Southwest

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

E/

12 Aug 2005 at 23:33 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.
Quoted for truth. Don't like the player-to-player economy? Don't participate. The only thing I've ever bought from another player was a max dmg Mursaat Hammer that dropped during a mission run. I offered to buy it on the spot simply because I wanted it for my hammer warrior. I way overpaid too, but it was totally worth it since I didn't have to hunt through trade spam.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

12 Aug 2005 at 23:47 - 61
Not to sound cynical, but it's about time. In any case, I bought a few runes before they went out of stock.

Rieselle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Melbourne, Australia

E/Rt

13 Aug 2005 at 01:05 - 62
I found a superior smiting before the update, and sold it for 60plat. I now have all the money I'll ever need, and I can go back to safely ignoring the economy. I am content.

Aracos79

Aracos79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Great Southwest

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

E/

13 Aug 2005 at 01:09 - 63
I'm still living off a superior vigor that I sold about a month ago. 10 more HP, or enough money to live for months? Not having to deal with player-to-player trade... it's priceless.

John Bloodstone

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Requiem Lords

R/Me

13 Aug 2005 at 01:24 - 64
Not much to add that hasn't already been said...

Nice idea ANet, but a shame that you've probably done more damage than good with this update. Who cares that the traders now offer fairer prices when nobody can bloody buy anything from them and random people have amassed enormous numbers of runes and materials? Total waste of a superb update if you ask me.

A.Net should just cut their losses and rollback the server to before the update imo. (Yes I know that will never happen )

Sunman222

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Moa Birds

W/E

13 Aug 2005 at 01:35 - 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
sometimes replying is all too easy....

Im not big on PvP, but ive played a few times, and i think its fine, all i ever hear is people complaining about spirit spamming and spiking building... non of which has anything to do with Anet, but instead the players who decided to use it... aside from that i see nothing wrong with PvP.. lets not forget i think GW is a little more PvE than PvP, and Anet has no control of what build is more popular than others, some people just hear of a good build and flock like sheep, sadly thats human nature (you hear something is the best and you go for it), Anet could tweek them... but then what about people who use spirits but not in a spamming way?... once again Anet will be making someone happy and making another angry, once again back to where they started

Once again, bringing the prices down was an ok idea.. the people who though "wow 300gp ecto!" and bought 1000 of them are the ones to blame, Anet did what people wanted, they lowed the price and people responded in a horrible way.. Our probem, not Anets. I feel it is now up to us as players to show Anet we are not childeren and we can take care of ourselves and we fix the econ if we really wanted to... you can only hang on to Anet so long before your on your own, and right now thats what happend... Once again Anet makes poor people happy and its the farmers time to revolt... prices are up, farmers are angry, almost everyone is insainly rich... not quite back to square one, but pretty darn close.

It does not take a high idea of math to understand the econ, so there is no use in trying to make it sound that way, i can make is simple, less stock = higher prices, more stock = lower prices. See wasnt that fun?

When ever something does not go their way people do the easyest thing they can think of, blame the creaters
You've PVP a few times? Stop talking already as you have no idea how big the issue is with some of the builds and skills. You also have no idea how much trouble it is for a PVP player to get skills who doesn't like to PVE. PVP shouldn't be about flavor of the week builds. It should be balanced and invite unique builds. There is nothing wrong with spamming the majority of the spirits, it's just natures. Make it a elite or something, so you can't oath shot it.

You don't blame the people at all for buying ectos at 100g. You blame ANET for giving the opportunity. Any smart person would have bought it items at dirt cheap prices. ANET must be retarded for not knowing this would happen. And what are we left now? Traders that never have any stock.

What do you mean when something doesn't go their way? ANET made the biggest mistake in their game's history. Who the heck are you suppose to blame? Replying is sometimes too easy? Say something intelligent and I might reply in their thread again, cause i'm overit.

Andy_M

Andy_M

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Worthing, UK

(Don't fear) The Beaver

13 Aug 2005 at 01:39 - 66
Heh, I was skint before the 'fix' and I'm still skint and can't afford anything. So I really have nothing to praise or complain about. Guess it's another weekend of farming for me..... again.

Rahl

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

13 Aug 2005 at 02:07 - 67
I guess we get to wait a few weeks before the dammed bots stop buying all the Sups, or at least dwindle in number.

Life sucks right now.. chin up.

Ashley Twig

Ashley Twig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

germany

Guild Of Openhearted Deeds

R/Mo

15 Aug 2005 at 05:29 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Believe me, if the average player REFUSES to buy from the hoarders, they will eventually have to sell their stuff back to the merchants thereby rebalancing the economy.
And we all know the chances of that happening.

"If the average player refuses to buy gold on eBay, farming and botting will stop."

"If people would live by the ten commandments, we'd have peace on earth"

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

15 Aug 2005 at 08:02 - 69
I don't see what the big deal is. A few people made a few million gold in five minutes because of this economic readjustment. In 90+% of the cases, those players promptly jumped into the Fissure of Woe to craft Fissure Armor for their characters, instantly pulling that money right back out of the economy. In a few weeks, that little hiccup won't even be felt.

The only real problem with the trader reset is all the resentment and envy felt by those who didn't get to exploit it.

Peace,
-CxE

Sanji

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

15 Aug 2005 at 08:09 - 70
There are stupider things to get bent out of shape over than fake internet money or someone circumventing a timesink in a thing that's entire purpose is providing you with a timesink.

Not many, but there are.

mrpo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

15 Aug 2005 at 12:50 - 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_M
Heh, I was skint before the 'fix' and I'm still skint and can't afford anything. So I really have nothing to praise or complain about. Guess it's another weekend of farming for me..... again.
Amen to that

trelloskilos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Guitarring Adventurers Society

R/N

15 Aug 2005 at 13:13 - 72
Is everyone STILL moaning about the economy fix? Talk about flogging a dead horse.

It happened. It's over. Some people got lucky and rich quickly, most of us didn't. In fact, come to think of it, if I was one of the small percentage who took advantage of those rare few minutes between the update being implemented and everything going out of stock, I wouldn't bother with the game anymore. It would be very defatist and I'd have no challenge, hence no impetus to carry on playing.

You can carry on debating about whether Anet were right or wrong to reset the traders in the way that they did, but let's face it - if they left it, people would complain, if they fixed it, people would complain. All the amount of complaining won't change a thing.

Charcoal Ann

Charcoal Ann

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

In a World of BADGERS!

Eternal Flame Brotherhood

15 Aug 2005 at 13:38 - 73
The problem wasn't so much the people that thought 'oooh cheap ecto,shards and runes'
The problem was the people who thought 'woot! everything is really cheap, must be a bug, i'm buying as much as possible before anyone notices!'
I saw this update and i bought a superior healing rune for 300g...that is all...for my lvl 14 monk... i'm not even using it to solo things

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

15 Aug 2005 at 13:49 - 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
I don't see what the big deal is. A few people made a few million gold in five minutes because of this economic readjustment. In 90+% of the cases, those players promptly jumped into the Fissure of Woe to craft Fissure Armor for their characters, instantly pulling that money right back out of the economy. In a few weeks, that little hiccup won't even be felt.

The only real problem with the trader reset is all the resentment and envy felt by those who didn't get to exploit it.

Peace,
-CxE
The problem is that there is no other point in PVE right now besides FoW armor.
Well there is, but money can buy unlocks, too.

Ashraven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Tangun Fury

15 Aug 2005 at 14:09 - 75
I talked about this in another thread, and I'll mention it again (as others have): The resetting of prices has affected the ecomony - for good or bad- I will no longer get into this debate. But more than that, IMO, it has greatly impacted the PvE community. Anet, whether they could foresee this or not, have totally contradicted themselves when it came to trying to improve PvE/RPG.

Case in point, look at fissure armor. Expensive, rare and time consuming to craft. Lets ask ourselves, why was it developed this way? So that those players who finally obtain one can show it off with pride so to speak and feel a sense of great accomplishment and maybe feel set apart from others Especially for hardcore PvErs, this sort of thing is what keeps them happy.

Now you have people who can craft this armor in a blink of an eye. Why is it so special now to get 15K armor? This is one example and I can go on and on, but I'll stop here.

Was this an attempt by ANet to also reduce the grind? a way to quickly make the PvPers happy? or make PvErs go to PvP? But wait, isn't the next patch supposed to improve PvE? I don't get it. Sheer schizophrenia.

I may be reading into this way more than I should be, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. I welcome your thoughts (in-flame or in-support).

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

15 Aug 2005 at 17:43 - 76
Sheer paranoia is more like it

The prices got reset cause they changed how the traders function. You can't reboot a program and have it remain every setting exactly as it was before, something will change, be lost, revert to default, etc. Due to the fact that pricing is based upon player desire (how many people want a particular item determines what a trader charges), this is a variable. Reset the trader, merge trader A with traders B and C (Europe and Korea) and you have to reset the variable. Who cares if a few hundred people got to take advange of it. Out of, let say 200000 accounts, that few hundred really only adds up to maybe 2%, very small drop in the bucket when you look at the overall result and in the long term will have no effect on the general gaming experience.

Ashraven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Tangun Fury

15 Aug 2005 at 18:13 - 77
Quote:
Out of, let say 200000 accounts, that few hundred really only adds up to maybe 2%, very small drop in the bucket when you look at the overall result and in the long term will have no effect on the general gaming experience.
hmm...from that perspective, it becomes rather trivial I suppose. I guess I shouldn't think so much and just play

This is a bit off topic, but if anything, people have a lot of passion about this game- more so than any other game I've experienced. In the end, I think everyone sees great potential in GW and we all want to see how far Anet will take us...

Eclectic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

15 Aug 2005 at 19:34 - 78
All I know is now you can't get a superior rune if you want one. Calling that a big positive development isn't what I would call it. Breaking the economy in a different direction is more correct. Some folks got rich, others spent days trying and failing to get equipment that was formerly available. How is that positive, if you are not one of the lucky nouveau riche?

Frankly I'm tired of the economic sim part of the game. This game is about heroes and combat and story and competition and cooperation with big world wide things going on. We don't need some poorly implemented version of Econ 101. I just want to buy things I need at the appropriate time for prices that the average person can afford when he gets to that place in the game. That means set a price and leave it. If the gold supply gets too big you can raise some prices, but remember it's the average player you want to make prices for, not the speculators who will game a system to get rich no matter what you do. Since I want to kill things instead of spam WTS all day I probably wont be rich. I should still be able to get a superior rune if I need one. Now you can't, and the head cheerleader praises them for it.

BrandonIT

BrandonIT

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Dallas, TX

Tribal Instincts

R/E

15 Aug 2005 at 21:02 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclectic
I should still be able to get a superior rune if I need one.
This is quoted because it states the most basic problem with any kind of game economic. Do we get what we want, when we want it? Or will any economic model that tries to model real-world economics eventually 'model' real-world economics? 5% control 95% of resources, everyone else goes logarithmically down?

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

16 Aug 2005 at 02:51 - 80
Wait a few days, things will balance out a bit, they have every time in the past. Sure the prices went a little nuts last time. This last update is supposed to remedy that. Give it some time and see it it does. Think of it this way. You buy a lottery ticket thats good for 5 draws. By draw number two you haven't won anything, would you whine that you got shafted or would you wait and see?