Why is it that people only want req. less than 10? if even 10. Here are some reasons why I think people don't like it:
1) Want to be able to use this weapon with low level char. as well as high level char.
2) They think any attribute over 10 is a waste because you can either make it 11 attribute or put 7 into another skill
3) Cause they have to have the best of the best and lower req. is better
But I think req 11 or 10 are fine. Why? Because really most people use maybe 4-5 different attribute skills usually (I usually use 3-4).
http://www.gwtactics.com/staticpages...p?page=ensign1
This link provides spread out attributes with the least about of Dead points left. As you can see, with 4 attributes, you can still have 1 attribute lvl with 11. EVEN with 5 attributes, you can still have 1 attribute lvl with 11. On top of this, the addition of runes makes it easier to reach reqs.
I see alot of this with weapons. People only want req 9 or below. But wouldnt you want more points into say "Swordsmanship or Hammer Skills" to increase the damage you do with your attacks?
I would only say that 12 may be a little to high but still usable and 13 is usually just a hassle.
Comments?
Why are ppl afraid of anything with req. above 10?
justinkim
VGJustice
well, for some (like my main character) the point's get spread really thin, or there are just more important things than, say, swordsmanship.
But, yeah, if they *are* specializing with a particular type of weapon/attack, then they shouldn't be bothered by the high requirements.
But, yeah, if they *are* specializing with a particular type of weapon/attack, then they shouldn't be bothered by the high requirements.
Xue Yi Liang
yep.
reasons #1. and #3. pretty much say it for me.
That's reason enough.
reasons #1. and #3. pretty much say it for me.
That's reason enough.
Bingley Joe
In my case it's because I have a Ranger/Monk and want to use bow attacks whenever I can, but don't really want to invest too heavily into marksmanship if I can avoid it. I'm just fooling around to see how long this can be viable though, so I doubt my particular affliction is common 
So far I've been doing alright with a purple 12-19 bow i found that has a bunch of nice mods on it and only requires 4 in marksmanship. I doubt I'll be able to find much better than that below 6 though, so I'm sure eventually I'll make the move to a wand/focus/staff that gives me a whole bunch of energy (which I'm starting to really miss)..
Otherwise, I'd say #1 and #3 are pretty good guesses.
So far I've been doing alright with a purple 12-19 bow i found that has a bunch of nice mods on it and only requires 4 in marksmanship. I doubt I'll be able to find much better than that below 6 though, so I'm sure eventually I'll make the move to a wand/focus/staff that gives me a whole bunch of energy (which I'm starting to really miss)..
Otherwise, I'd say #1 and #3 are pretty good guesses.
Arturo02
I like to go with only three attributes. So for me, this wouldn't be an issue. Going four or even five weakens your char but some people like to be well-rounded.
Mugon M. Musashi
for warriors, the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
audioaxes
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
for warriors, the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
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i did my own test:
a 15-22 lvl11 longsword vs a 15-22 lvl8 longsword with NO difference of damage
VerSo
Well haven't got a link of my own but i thought damage was influenced by several factors, including the req on a weapons, thus the higher the req, the higher the chance on critical dmg.
Now a low req weapons is good value if you don't want to invest to much in a particular attribute considering that you pay a hefty price by going over 8 or more, or if you want to have a good weapon to switch to for you secondary profession.
*edit*
found a brief explanation.
don't know if it's allowed to post a link to another fansite so if it is feel free to remove *removed it myself, Zakarr gave similar link on this site*
So if this site is right (i can't vouch for it so don't shoot me
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Critical hit chance = (1+[1.25*Attribute])*2^( [CLVL - TLVL]/5)
Where, Attribute = your weapon attribute level
CLVL = your character level
TLVL = target's level
Basically you will have approximately a 16% chance to cause a critical hit when you have a level 12 attribute. For every 5 levels above your target your critical hit chance will double, and for every 5 levels below your target your chance will half.
*edit*
Well i should learn to look at this site first instead of linking to another one..
thx Zakarr
Now a low req weapons is good value if you don't want to invest to much in a particular attribute considering that you pay a hefty price by going over 8 or more, or if you want to have a good weapon to switch to for you secondary profession.
*edit*
found a brief explanation.
don't know if it's allowed to post a link to another fansite so if it is feel free to remove *removed it myself, Zakarr gave similar link on this site*
So if this site is right (i can't vouch for it so don't shoot me
Critical hit chance = (1+[1.25*Attribute])*2^( [CLVL - TLVL]/5)
Where, Attribute = your weapon attribute level
CLVL = your character level
TLVL = target's level
Basically you will have approximately a 16% chance to cause a critical hit when you have a level 12 attribute. For every 5 levels above your target your critical hit chance will double, and for every 5 levels below your target your chance will half.
*edit*
Well i should learn to look at this site first instead of linking to another one..
thx Zakarr
derrtyboy69
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
for warriors, the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
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axes:
6-28 req 12
12 axe mastery = 6-28
6-28 req 8
12 axe mastery = 6-28
Zakarr
So this guide is BS?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php
I haven't tested it myself but it makes sense that higher weapon attribute increase damage and critical hits. Otherwise weapon attributes would be pretty useless above weapon requirement.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php
I haven't tested it myself but it makes sense that higher weapon attribute increase damage and critical hits. Otherwise weapon attributes would be pretty useless above weapon requirement.
Ensign
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
for warriors, the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
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I give up. You win. Believe whatever you want to believe, I'm tired of correcting the same mistake over and over and over and over again.
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So if this site is right (i can't vouch for it so don't shoot me
Critical hit chance = (1+[1.25*Attribute])*2^( [CLVL - TLVL]/5) |
Peace,
-CxE
Mugon M. Musashi
you may say whatever you want,
I already did the test and did it just 1 minute ago so I could make a video (3MB)
the weapon is a max axe without damage bonus
req is 8
I'm starting with my axe mastery at lvl 8
then I change to axe mastery lvl 15
watch and just think whatever you want to think
better : do the test yourselves and show me I'm wrong
I already did the test and did it just 1 minute ago so I could make a video (3MB)
the weapon is a max axe without damage bonus
req is 8
I'm starting with my axe mastery at lvl 8
then I change to axe mastery lvl 15
watch and just think whatever you want to think
better : do the test yourselves and show me I'm wrong
derrtyboy69
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
you may say whatever you want,
I already did the test and did it just 1 minute ago so I could make a video (3MB) the weapon is a max axe without damage bonus req is 8 I'm starting with my axe mastery at lvl 8 then I change to axe mastery lvl 15 watch and just think whatever you want to think better : do the test yourselves and show me I'm wrong |
Mugon M. Musashi
let's sum this thread up :
- justinkim asks why people want weapons with lower req
- I reply that's because with lower req you will do more damage, because the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
- then everybody just yells at me that this is wrong or want proof
- I give proof
now some of you were speaking about the damage being linked to the weapon req itself
obviously, you were the ones that were missing the point of the question asked by justinkim
- justinkim asks why people want weapons with lower req
- I reply that's because with lower req you will do more damage, because the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
- then everybody just yells at me that this is wrong or want proof
- I give proof
now some of you were speaking about the damage being linked to the weapon req itself
obviously, you were the ones that were missing the point of the question asked by justinkim
Arturo02
maybe this thread should be re-named to why are ppl so afraid of the truth about what min requirements mean hehe.
Arturo02
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
let's sum this thread up :
- justinkim asks why people want weapons with lower req - I reply that's because with lower req you will do more damage, because the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do - then everybody just yells at me that this is wrong or want proof - I give proof now some of you were speaking about the damage being linked to the weapon req itself obviously, you were the ones that were missing the point of the question asked by justinkim |
Mugon M. Musashi
just read the first post and you will see that this thread is about "why people want lower req"
I answer, some people want proof, I give proof, that's all
you can say whatever you want, I think justinkim will find the answer he wanted in my replies
I answer, some people want proof, I give proof, that's all
you can say whatever you want, I think justinkim will find the answer he wanted in my replies
Ensign
*Stares in disbelief*
You are not this stupid. No, really, this is a joke right? You just noticed that I'm irritible tonight and you're egging me on by being inane. Drive Chuck over the edge night, right?
Right?
Dear god =/
Peace,
-CxE
You are not this stupid. No, really, this is a joke right? You just noticed that I'm irritible tonight and you're egging me on by being inane. Drive Chuck over the edge night, right?
Right?
Dear god =/
Peace,
-CxE
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Hi Mugon.
You've misunderstand the mechanics, and not getting what everyone is trying to tell you. Kindly re-read what was said.
"The more mastery points you have, the more damage and critical hits you will do." TRUE
"The more mastery points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do." NOT TRUE given same mastery level and different req.
Re: Your "proof". Of course 15 axe mastery gives more damage than 8 axe mastery. But the extra damage had nothing to do with 15 axe mastery being 7 more than the 8 axe requirement. But simply bacause 15 mastery > 8 mastery.
To prove your theory, you'd need 2 axes identical in every way, except for the requirement. Lets say one with 8 and one with 10. Now using a character with 12 axe mastery, IF the 8 req axe provides more damage than the 10 req axe, then you would be right. Try it. Please share your results.
You've misunderstand the mechanics, and not getting what everyone is trying to tell you. Kindly re-read what was said.
"The more mastery points you have, the more damage and critical hits you will do." TRUE
"The more mastery points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do." NOT TRUE given same mastery level and different req.
Re: Your "proof". Of course 15 axe mastery gives more damage than 8 axe mastery. But the extra damage had nothing to do with 15 axe mastery being 7 more than the 8 axe requirement. But simply bacause 15 mastery > 8 mastery.
To prove your theory, you'd need 2 axes identical in every way, except for the requirement. Lets say one with 8 and one with 10. Now using a character with 12 axe mastery, IF the 8 req axe provides more damage than the 10 req axe, then you would be right. Try it. Please share your results.
Zhou Feng
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Originally Posted by Ensign
*Stares in disbelief*
You are not this stupid. No, really, this is a joke right? You just noticed that I'm irritible tonight and you're egging me on by being inane. Drive Chuck over the edge night, right? Right? Dear god =/ Peace, -CxE |
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*for warriors, the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do
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Arturo02
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
just read the first post and you will see that this thread is about "why people want lower req"
I answer, some people want proof, I give proof, that's all you can say whatever you want, I think justinkim will find the answer he wanted in my replies |
So your saying that if I have 10 points in an attribute and equip with a weapon with a 1 requirement of that attribute, that weapon will put out more damage then the same one with a 10 requirement.
Show me a video of this being proven true and I will believe you.
Arturo02
Zhou, requirements give you no damage bonus, only a negative if you don't meet the requirement. Don't meet it and it's like using a newbie weapon.
Ensign
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I fail to see the discrepancies in your fellow forumer for you to insult him. Even though he might not be correct or entirely addresing the first post I cannot seemingly understand why you call him stupid for trying to explain the situation.
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First, the basics:
1) I'm an asshole. Gotta get that out of the way. I say mean things.
2) I'm in a funny mood tonight, I don't drink, and my stereo doesn't turn up to 11. Not a good combination.
3) Answering the same question every week gets old fast. Refuting people giving the same wrong answers every week is getting painful.
Ok, with that out of the way:
I was struck by just how spectacularly said poster failed at answering the question. I mean, not only does he get the answer wrong, but then he goes and does an experiment that doesn't even test anything relevant to try and prove his point. He even posts a video of it! Yet even after it being pointed out he still doesn't get that what he's doing doesn't make any sense.
Or perhaps I should look at this from a different perspective. This particular question has been asked, and answered, dozens of times on this forum. It feels like we have this thread every week, if not multiple times per week. Now apparently calmly correcting people who post disinformation does not work, because no matter how many times these threads come up people immediately jump in and post the wrong answer. So the nice answer is straight out. Why not try another approach?
Anyway, yes, to answer your question, no, I shouldn't be heaping abuse upon this poor fellow for trying to be helpful, even if he is failing spectacularly. It's rude and discourages helpful behavior that makes forums work. Though, I have to wonder what reaction is appropriate when the blind are leading the blind and the forums just turn into a source of confusion as a result.
Peace,
-CxE
Mashu
My sword requires 13 Swordsmanship. It is a very good sword and it cost me 140K but the very high requirement does not bother me one bit because I will never reduce my level on Swordsmanship anyway.
Shamblemonkee
its the iraqi information minister of forum threads.
Zakarr
So attribute mastery bonus take effect only after you have one point or more above the weapon requirement?
6-28 axe req 8 (player has 8 mastery)
6-28 axe req 11 (player has 11 mastery)
Both axes produce identical total damage?
Means that with req 8 axe you have 8 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting while with req 11 axe you have only 5 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting? Assuming 16 mastery is maximum.
6-28 axe req 8 (player has 8 mastery)
6-28 axe req 11 (player has 11 mastery)
Both axes produce identical total damage?
Means that with req 8 axe you have 8 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting while with req 11 axe you have only 5 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting? Assuming 16 mastery is maximum.
MCS
Okay I've Got A Warrior With Level 14 Axe Mastery And An Axe That Does 6-28 Damage With A 12 Req.
You've Got An Axe Warrior With Level 14 Axe Mastery And An Axe That Does 6-28 Damage With A 8 Req.
We Both Do The Same Damage.
You've Got An Axe Warrior With Level 14 Axe Mastery And An Axe That Does 6-28 Damage With A 8 Req.
We Both Do The Same Damage.
Kiiron
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Originally Posted by Zakarr
So attribute mastery bonus take effect only after you have one point or more above the weapon requirement?
6-28 axe req 8 (player has 8 mastery) 6-28 axe req 11 (player has 11 mastery) Both axes produce identical total damage? Means that with req 8 axe you have 8 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting while with req 11 axe you have only 5 mastery points for extra bonus damage boosting? Assuming 16 mastery is maximum. |
A 6-28 axe req 8 will do EXACTLY the same damage as a 6-28 axe req 11 at axe mastery 11 or above. The only advantage the req 8 axe has over the req 11 axe is that it is usable even if your axe mastery is 8-10. Other than that, it provides no boosting.
Old Dood
I like having a couple of lower required weapons in my bag. This is so when I "swap" out to different armor with different runes on them my attributes will change. By having a lower weapon I can still use it when that attribute drops below my regular weapon of choice.
Trust me it makes sense.
However, I am still looking for that "perfect" Holy Rod.
Trust me it makes sense.
However, I am still looking for that "perfect" Holy Rod.
Zakarr
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No.
A 6-28 axe req 8 will do EXACTLY the same damage as a 6-28 axe req 11 at axe mastery 11 or above. The only advantage the req 8 axe has over the req 11 axe is that it is usable even if your axe mastery is 8-10. Other than that, it provides no boosting. |
Calrisian Nantos
Depending on the situation I have 16 in marks or 16 in wilderness,my bows strike for much more dmg with 16 in marks wielding a req 10 bow than they would if I had only the req number,the more you have in an attribute the more powerful it will be,plain and simple,also the corrosponding skills are more powerful too,doesnt anyone else out there feel lik I do? That you should be as powerful as you can in three attributes and not try to spread them out too much?I use marks,wilderness and expertise,I just switched to monk secondary so I could have ressurect or restore life
Oh edit:my best bow is a req 13 flatbow,15%>50,I get massive dmg with it,way more than my warrior's axe lol and my vamp halfmoon is req 11 and it totaly rocks too fear me!!
Oh edit:my best bow is a req 13 flatbow,15%>50,I get massive dmg with it,way more than my warrior's axe lol and my vamp halfmoon is req 11 and it totaly rocks too fear me!!
Eonwe
It seems like a lot of people are confused. Just use the calculator on the site http://www.guildwarsguru.com/calcula...uru_weapon.php .
Kassad
Would you people shut up already and log back into guild wars, ive been waiting over 10 min now in LA arena for a match... jeez 
Hippie Crack
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No.
A 6-28 axe req 8 will do EXACTLY the same damage as a 6-28 axe req 11 at axe mastery 11 or above. The only advantage the req 8 axe has over the req 11 axe is that it is usable even if your axe mastery is 8-10. Other than that, it provides no boosting. |
Hippie Crack
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Originally Posted by MCS
Okay I've Got A Warrior With Level 14 Axe Mastery And An Axe That Does 6-28 Damage With A 12 Req.
You've Got An Axe Warrior With Level 14 Axe Mastery And An Axe That Does 6-28 Damage With A 8 Req. We Both Do The Same Damage. |
BTW, MCS, that was a nice run a few nights ago in the HoH. When did u join the turtelz? I been playin with them for a few weeks now, i also took ur recommendation on the defensive grip over the fortitude, thinking about using a 20% axe mastery though. My IGN in tombs is B I L L Clinton, i was the other axe warrior on the team.
Hippie Crack
And now my own post, maybe 3 posts in a row telling people how it works will get them to understand.
The req on a weapon is just that, what it requires to use the weapon to its fullest. Damage is in no way based on the requirement of the weapon, its based on your character's level in the attribute. if your running axe mastery of 16, with a 6-28 axe, it doesn't matter if the axe requires 8 or requires 12, you will be dealing the same ammount of damage.
The req on a weapon is just that, what it requires to use the weapon to its fullest. Damage is in no way based on the requirement of the weapon, its based on your character's level in the attribute. if your running axe mastery of 16, with a 6-28 axe, it doesn't matter if the axe requires 8 or requires 12, you will be dealing the same ammount of damage.
justinkim
Lol, ty for all our opinions though it did get alittle off track of what i was asking but non the less very helpful and informitive.
Sereng Amaranth
I like cheesecake.
Xonic
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
let's sum this thread up :
- justinkim asks why people want weapons with lower req - I reply that's because with lower req you will do more damage, because the more points you have above the req, the more damage and critical hits you will do - then everybody just yells at me that this is wrong or want proof - I give proof now some of you were speaking about the damage being linked to the weapon req itself obviously, you were the ones that were missing the point of the question asked by justinkim |
You can use a req 12 Axe Mastery weapon and you'll do exactly the same damage.
please, use logic when doing a "test"...
wolfy3455
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Originally Posted by Xonic
your damage increase because you have higher Axe Mastery.
You can use a req 12 Axe Mastery weapon and you'll do exactly the same damage. please, use logic when doing a "test"... |