Tax the rich, give money to the poor
prodigy ming
Why don't all the people with 100K+ get taxed and people with <10K get welfare! Then we can close the gap between rich and poor without nerfing any build AND discourage hording and farming.
Evan montegarde
I hate to say it, but that's a terribly stupid idea. Rich people generally worked for their money, even if it was farming griffons over and over. People would then just buy up ectos, then get "welfare" until they have enough to buy more ecto.
Makkert
well, this would mean something like communism. Communism is proved not working, altough it sounds nice.
Say i have 99k. why should i farm more? it will make players lazy. And the beggers rejoice. yay, fee gold. i'd spend all my gold on things like 15k armor, and stand in line to receive benefit. or do you wish to include those in weathcalculation? and if i only have multiple 15k armors, how would i 'pay'?
nice try, but simply not working
Say i have 99k. why should i farm more? it will make players lazy. And the beggers rejoice. yay, fee gold. i'd spend all my gold on things like 15k armor, and stand in line to receive benefit. or do you wish to include those in weathcalculation? and if i only have multiple 15k armors, how would i 'pay'?
nice try, but simply not working
medikamen
get your own gold 
as if being "poor" in the game was something you can't do anything about, just go a couple of times in the FoW and gold will start flowing.
as if being "poor" in the game was something you can't do anything about, just go a couple of times in the FoW and gold will start flowing.
emil knight
Right...
Sorry bud, I worked hard for my gold. Go out and log 100+ hours yourself and get back to us about how much gold you have.
Sorry bud, I worked hard for my gold. Go out and log 100+ hours yourself and get back to us about how much gold you have.
Lost
Hopefully this is a joke thread. Besides, money is pathetically easy to come by. It just takes time the lazy people don't want to invest. Also, no one needs 100k to be competitive.
Nikos Battlehammer
I dont like this idea. People can get gold if they really want to. What will be the incentive to people who actually spend time to get gold? Why go out of town when you will just be given gold anyway?
The rich don't owe the poor gold.
I hate it when someone begs for gold and when you tell him to just go outside town and kill some, he responds that he doesnt want to because it takes time.
Sorry for the rant. I just don't like this idea.
The rich don't owe the poor gold.
I hate it when someone begs for gold and when you tell him to just go outside town and kill some, he responds that he doesnt want to because it takes time.
Sorry for the rant. I just don't like this idea.
Imp
everyone that has 100k+ should get 100k every half minute.
and everyone that has 10k- loses 1k per second
how is that for balance? You are not getting my money!
and everyone that has 10k- loses 1k per second
how is that for balance? You are not getting my money!
ocoini
Phwaaa... communism works, nothing has been proved.
Linkie
this has nothing to do with communism.
Mithie
Take all the money everyone has, divide it among everyone.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Calimar
how did we get into politics?
Guys this game is not about money. Grow up.
Guys this game is not about money. Grow up.
Draco Hunt
I smell greed of the poor. 
just go and farm or something. We rich worked hard 4 ur moiney
just go and farm or something. We rich worked hard 4 ur moiney
Slade xTekno
I wonder how many people in this thread have Mo farmers...
Mugon M. Musashi
I would prefer taxing those millionaires who took advantage of the prices reset...
PanicAcid
I just paid for my gold, £3.99 for 200k isn't bad in my books.
Draco Hunt
Why would i need a monk 2 farm i can farm with any char
Damon Windwalker
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Originally Posted by Evan montegarde
I hate to say it, but that's a terribly stupid idea.
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Dralon
That would be awesome. Perhaps by introducing socialism into a game world, the kids in high school and college will finally realize how much America has gone down that path in the real world in the name of fairness and compassion. Might have a chance of getting through the indoctrination they have received.
wolfy3455
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Originally Posted by Dralon
That would be awesome. Perhaps by introducing socialism into a game world, the kids in high school and college will finally realize how much America has gone down that path in the real world in the name of fairness and compassion. Might have a chance of getting through the indoctrination they have received.
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Horrible idea though, gold is easy to come by in this game and has very little use outside of cosmetic things.
Red Sonya
Here's a better idea, how about the game keeps track of the poor and every once in a blue moon drops those players a piece of fissure armor designed for the character they are playing? 
No need to tax anyone then or need any welfare. Just code the game more for the casual poor player. It would be like winning the lottering for that $1 measly dollar you spent for $64 million dollars.
Yeah A-Net should add this to the game an ingame lottery for 1 plat everyone can enter and ever so often they have a random drawing and that person wins a full set of fissure armor for any of their characters?
No need to tax anyone then or need any welfare. Just code the game more for the casual poor player. It would be like winning the lottering for that $1 measly dollar you spent for $64 million dollars. Yeah A-Net should add this to the game an ingame lottery for 1 plat everyone can enter and ever so often they have a random drawing and that person wins a full set of fissure armor for any of their characters?
LifeInfusion
doesn't work, you can just buy the most expensive items to get 0 gold in storage.
zwitterion
I don't think it's an immediately bad idea. Tax gold drops for 150-200k+ and boost it for 10k- or something? So far the only rebuttals here are the "I spend my life farming gold" ones which, frankly, don't carry much weight. They might be the loudest on a forum, but the hardcore players don't make up much of the total game demographic, and, more importantly for a non-subscription based game, even less of the potentially buying crowd (who is seriously going to avoid buying the game because at some point, after months of specialised farming, their gold drops might taper off a bit?).
The only way this could affect the online population would be to make the newbs happier which for a game like GW is a Good Thing. It might even add a little stability to the overwrought, massively manipulated economy.
The only problem with it is that it's all made up money; there is no finite supply so they could achieve almost the same thing by simply making items cheaper or boosting resource drops, no need to piss anyone off.
The only way this could affect the online population would be to make the newbs happier which for a game like GW is a Good Thing. It might even add a little stability to the overwrought, massively manipulated economy.
The only problem with it is that it's all made up money; there is no finite supply so they could achieve almost the same thing by simply making items cheaper or boosting resource drops, no need to piss anyone off.
Killajalavu
I feel that he is saying this due to the fact he does not have any gold at all. But when the time comes that he has 100k, and if this idea was put into effect, he would be on here complaining how long it took him to get that much gold, and that it is stupid that his hard earned gold is being given to people who don't have any.
Just like us in the real world.
When you are a kid, you want older people to gain benefits
When you are an adult you don't want older people gaining those benefits because it is costing you money due to taxes
When you are elderly, you want the benefits.
You want this "tax" for those with gold because right now it benefits you in the most way possible, but when it comes time when it has no benefit to you at all, and takes away from you, you will not want it in effect.
Just like us in the real world.
When you are a kid, you want older people to gain benefits
When you are an adult you don't want older people gaining those benefits because it is costing you money due to taxes
When you are elderly, you want the benefits.
You want this "tax" for those with gold because right now it benefits you in the most way possible, but when it comes time when it has no benefit to you at all, and takes away from you, you will not want it in effect.
Boubou
Last week I had 10-15k in my inn, spent few (a lot in fact) hours farming and went to 100k. It's not that hard earning that money (believe me). And before the ascension, you're not supposed to need this money.
After the desert ? You may need it to buy a 15k armor if you want it, or do like me, help other guildmate
Ohhh and by the way, the taxes may not be a bad idea... but how would you target who gonna pay the taxes ? Why not do like every government and say everyone pay x% .. and that money can be distributed afterward. Not just the rich, it would be fair that way isn't it ?
Another suggestion, why not create a "bank". "Rich" players will put money in bank, and that money can be used to lend to some poorer players to buy whatever they want. If they cannot refund their loan ? Ahumm... create an invasion in their guild hall Or the game take back their weapon / armor or the vault until they can pay... I don't know Would be fun to watch 
After the desert ? You may need it to buy a 15k armor if you want it, or do like me, help other guildmate
Ohhh and by the way, the taxes may not be a bad idea... but how would you target who gonna pay the taxes ? Why not do like every government and say everyone pay x% .. and that money can be distributed afterward. Not just the rich, it would be fair that way isn't it ?
Another suggestion, why not create a "bank". "Rich" players will put money in bank, and that money can be used to lend to some poorer players to buy whatever they want. If they cannot refund their loan ? Ahumm... create an invasion in their guild hall
Or the game take back their weapon / armor or the vault until they can pay... I don't know Would be fun to watch
Damon Windwalker
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Originally Posted by wolfy3455
Theres a small (miniscule even) difference between keeping people fed and letting people get 15k armor.
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I disagree. My 15k armor is way more important :P
Ristaron
I forget who created this, but since you haven't used it yet I'll do it for you.
Zubrowka
Your idea is too mild. I call for the creation of re-education camps, where the filthy rich have to kill off endless hordes of devourers until they die from exhaustion, all the while receiving nothing.
EmperorTippy
This idea sucks mostly. Want to know why? Because the super wealthy can avoid all or most of the taxes just like in real life. Its simple if I was taxed right now for all gold over 100K I wouldn't lose a cent on either of my accounts. Similary if I decided right now that I needed 15 million gold I could raise it within 10 miniutes.
Now someone with only about 200K can't really do the same thing because while their rich compared to many people they use that gold to buy stuff and they can't put the wealth in items because at any given time if they need the gold they could lose money. Say black dye averages 10K but you need to sell 5 of them to buy that item you really want and black dye is at 5K right this second. You know that black dye will be back up withing a few days but that doesn't help you this second as that really good deal for an item won't be there in a few days.
Now the people like me don't have to worry about this kind of stuff useally. Why? you ask. Simple. Because I the people like me have our money spread among many different items so that when we need gold we just sell a item that is at its normall price or at least is higher than when bought. For me to be inconvinced (sp?) ectoplasm would have to drop below 8K almost instantly, black dye would have to drop below 5K almost instantly, obsidian shards would haev to be worth less than 3-3.5K, deldramor steel would have to be below 400 gold per ingot, and crystalline damage +15% while health is over 50% max damage requirment 8 swords would have to drop below 1 million gold. Plus it would have to be a trade over about 180K as I have about 90K on each of my accounts it gold.
P.S. No one should be poor in this game. With no good drops it took me less than 24 game hours to break the 1 million gold mark having come to this game cold and with about 15 of those hours being spent beating the game, so it was really 9 hours to break 1KK.
Now someone with only about 200K can't really do the same thing because while their rich compared to many people they use that gold to buy stuff and they can't put the wealth in items because at any given time if they need the gold they could lose money. Say black dye averages 10K but you need to sell 5 of them to buy that item you really want and black dye is at 5K right this second. You know that black dye will be back up withing a few days but that doesn't help you this second as that really good deal for an item won't be there in a few days.
Now the people like me don't have to worry about this kind of stuff useally. Why? you ask. Simple. Because I the people like me have our money spread among many different items so that when we need gold we just sell a item that is at its normall price or at least is higher than when bought. For me to be inconvinced (sp?) ectoplasm would have to drop below 8K almost instantly, black dye would have to drop below 5K almost instantly, obsidian shards would haev to be worth less than 3-3.5K, deldramor steel would have to be below 400 gold per ingot, and crystalline damage +15% while health is over 50% max damage requirment 8 swords would have to drop below 1 million gold. Plus it would have to be a trade over about 180K as I have about 90K on each of my accounts it gold.
P.S. No one should be poor in this game. With no good drops it took me less than 24 game hours to break the 1 million gold mark having come to this game cold and with about 15 of those hours being spent beating the game, so it was really 9 hours to break 1KK.
prodigy ming
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Originally Posted by Zubrowka
Your idea is too mild. I call for the creation of re-education camps, where the filthy rich have to kill off endless hordes of devourers until they die from exhaustion, all the while receiving nothing.
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chill guys this is only a half joke idea...
someone mention i would probably be complaining if I was the one with the gold getting taxed... my answer is: yes, most likely
However, I will probably never get that amount of gold. I love gaming, but aside from all the time spend in lectures, labs and studying, I have like maybe 3 to 4 hours a weeks for GW. Thats hardly enough to enjoy the game and I am definatly not going to spend it on farming. My monk have ascended to lvl 20 for almost 3 weeks now and I still havne't got the chance to go to UW or FoW or any of those weird places. From the rate I am going I will probably not be able to buy a single piece of fissure armor until the 3rd or 4th expansion comes out.
Slade xTekno
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Originally Posted by prodigy ming
chill guys this is only a half joke idea...
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To be honest, I wouldn't mind this idea. There are lots of newbs that are stuck, need money, and aren't simply aren't high enough level to farm. This could help them out.
Wiqqa
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Originally Posted by prodigy ming
Why don't all the people with 100K+ get taxed and people with <10K get welfare! Then we can close the gap between rich and poor without nerfing any build AND discourage hording and farming.
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There is no gap between rich and poor in this game, since everything needed to be competitive is unlockable via pvp (runes, upgrades) or extremely cheap (collectors max dmg weapons and armors).
You want welfare to buy yourself a crystalline (probably sucky) sword or what?
Now that i think about it... welfare = collectors
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Ultimate_Gaara
Don't bother taxing them.. just slap them in the face with more brutal nerfs so i can hear them whine.. the sound that puts me to sleep at night
the bloodthirst
/slap
this is a stupid idea. i am not a hardcore farmer like some ppl but, i can make 100k easily. I cant make it fast but i could do it in a day or two. you are clearly new to the game and are having a hard time getting money. just play the game. you dont need "uber" weapons and armor. the ppl who have all that stuff real early either bought their money off ebay, have money in their storage to spend or had their friends buy it for them. you dont need lots of money to play. I havent had more than 30k at one time yet (i still managed to buy my 15k armor).
this is a stupid idea. i am not a hardcore farmer like some ppl but, i can make 100k easily. I cant make it fast but i could do it in a day or two. you are clearly new to the game and are having a hard time getting money. just play the game. you dont need "uber" weapons and armor. the ppl who have all that stuff real early either bought their money off ebay, have money in their storage to spend or had their friends buy it for them. you dont need lots of money to play. I havent had more than 30k at one time yet (i still managed to buy my 15k armor).
Maiyn
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Originally Posted by ocoini
Phwaaa... communism works, nothing has been proved.
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I give away gold items all the time and what not. Maybe we should ask our rich farmers to start being a little less greedy.
Jessy
Take your greedy hands of my gold ...
... funny how everyone wants it, but nobody wants to work for it.
... funny how everyone wants it, but nobody wants to work for it.
Kai Nui
Ok, I'm not going to work at all and just accumulate money. Haha. HORRIBLE IDEA.
xenoaroe
im kidna sick of these kinda threads. If you dont have money, go play the game some more, farm, dont know how to farm? Go learn theres numerous threads out there about it. Its stupid that people complain about this stuff. "The poor get poorer, boo hoo." Money is one of the least concerns you have in this game. You can be competeive with little to no money in this game. Its designed that way. Stop posting about how its unfair that you have no money, and go make some. "But i dont have a monk character", you say. So what. I farm with my elementalist and my warrior. "But i only have a ranger," you say. Three words. Underworld Trap Run. Seriously people. There is a way to get money no matter what kinda character you have. If your poor and want 15k armor, go get the money, not post about it, its not like the people who have money in this game got it because they had a lucky registration code. They worked and grinded for it. Now bots are a different story, but most people who have money do it without the aid of bots. Period. End of story.