i mean , this is a online game or what ? if people want to play alone , just buy a single player game ...
if this game had no henchs , the cumunity would be much better IMO
NO BOTS FOR HUMAN TEAMS !
teamplay or no play at all
Remove Henchs From The Game
neoteo
Dax
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i mean , this is a online game or what ? if people want to play alone , just buy a single player game ...
if this game had no henchs , the cumunity would be much better IMO NO BOTS FOR HUMAN TEAMS ! teamplay or no play at all |
I thought that was to make it easier for casual players to be able to complete quests and not wait for a group. Oh I can see the "It takes too long to form a party" threads.
Heheh I actually like henchies, less worries.
Lost
This idea would just make people use Mesmers, Necromancers, and Rangers even less than they already do. They would have to stand around for sometimes over an hour to find a good group that actually realizes such characters can be useful.
People would be forced to PUG with a lot of awful players to fill out their groups. (Awful in playing style and maturity level)
People looking to complete something quickly will have to go slower because of new or bad players that might get into their group.
No henchmen would remove interesting challenges like trying to complete certain difficult missions and/or bonuses with just henchmen.
A ton of code changing for an idea next to no one would like.
An increase in griefing simply because there would be more human groups.
This doesn't seem like a better community to me...
People would be forced to PUG with a lot of awful players to fill out their groups. (Awful in playing style and maturity level)
People looking to complete something quickly will have to go slower because of new or bad players that might get into their group.
No henchmen would remove interesting challenges like trying to complete certain difficult missions and/or bonuses with just henchmen.
A ton of code changing for an idea next to no one would like.
An increase in griefing simply because there would be more human groups.
This doesn't seem like a better community to me...
Makkert
/disagreed.
strongly disagreed. not even going to argument it. sorry.
strongly disagreed. not even going to argument it. sorry.
pintpointfive
Quoted From: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=48559
Uhh... Yeah... ^^
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OMG , this is the most stupid and funny thing i have ever read !!!! ...
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BigTru
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i mean , this is a online game or what ? if people want to play alone , just buy a single player game ...
if this game had no henchs , the cumunity would be much better IMO NO BOTS FOR HUMAN TEAMS ! teamplay or no play at all |
I vote this as the worst suggestion of the hour
seraphite86
Why get rid of henchies? They don't complain.
Ultimate_Gaara
Sorry, but unless this is some kind of joke, it wins my worst idea of the week, maybe even year award...
Just because you can play with people does not mean you have to
Just because you can play with people does not mean you have to
EverBlue
Nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo!
Mr Fizzle
IF henchmen leave the great world of Tyria I will rip your heart out and sacrifice it to the gods to make the henchmen come back to our world 
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pintpointfive
Watch out guys, if it's cool and he wants it, he can put up one hell of an argument 
: http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44305
: http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44305
Zuggy
I agree, ditching the henchies is a bad idea. My ranger completed all but 5 missions with only henchmen because I couldn't get into a group.
Stayfrosty
how about you just dont use them and let the people that want them use them. hencies will attack a called target unlike 98% of the people who will completely ignore target calls.. the monk hencies are alost better than 90% of the pug monks i encounter, cmon monks.. i have 2 words for you.. energy management dont bring 10 energy heals.. breeze should be your most expensive heal
Kakumei
could you please stop posting forever
Fantus
Worst idea ever posted to a forum.
Age
I never used Henchies in beta all through Ascalon never traveled that much spent most of my time in PVP.
Kakumei
commas and semicolons are your friend
Fantus
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I never used Henchies in beta all through Ascalon never traveled that much spent most of my time in PVP.
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But some people can't find a full party of 8 at any time they want to. That's what henchies are there for.
And yes, trying to apply correct grammar wouldn't be a bad idea.
Aalric
Awful idea - 'nuff said
Aalric
Aalric
Calimar
Stayfrosty: start playing a monk. No 10-energy heals means no heals except for orizon of healing, dwayna's kiss and word of healing. Hardly enough to keep you alive. Consider playing tactically and your monks won't hate you.
Neoteo: you're either joking or trying to troll... but for the sake of argumentation
no henchies mean you can't go on missions with 5 friends and the 2 hench monks. Means a LOT more monk-stealing and "GLF monk"... I wouldn't like it.
Neoteo: you're either joking or trying to troll... but for the sake of argumentation
no henchies mean you can't go on missions with 5 friends and the 2 hench monks. Means a LOT more monk-stealing and "GLF monk"... I wouldn't like it.
Vanquisher
To the original poster - you're so stupid it hurts me inside.
aron searle
insert flame here
if you want another reason why henchies are INDESPENSIBLE, try playing late at night. I went to ember light camp once at around 1 in the morning, there was like 2 people there.
And its the same everytime i play late, you get areas that are just empty.
if you want another reason why henchies are INDESPENSIBLE, try playing late at night. I went to ember light camp once at around 1 in the morning, there was like 2 people there.
And its the same everytime i play late, you get areas that are just empty.
Draco Hunt
Take henchies out of game hmmm.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
But u get a Worst id of the year Award from me Congratz
KgggggK Houston weve made a <<BOOBOO>>
:::::The Real Frings Out:::::
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
But u get a Worst id of the year Award from me
CongratzKgggggK Houston weve made a <<BOOBOO>>
:::::The Real Frings Out:::::
Schorny
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Stayfrosty: start playing a monk. No 10-energy heals means no heals except for orizon of healing, dwayna's kiss and word of healing. Hardly enough to keep you alive. Consider playing tactically and your monks won't hate you.
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I take WoH over it everytime possible (sometimes you need martyr, spell breaker or the like for your team build). But you can't sustain with too many 10 energy heals long enough.
It may be possible with 10 energy heals but it is really not needed. With WoH you just need to coordinate with the other monks...
To sum up: I run a monk with only Healing Seed, Devine Spirit, Aegis, Spell Breaker as more than 5 energy heals - and only when needed.
And it works good enough.
Calimar
Ah doh, that's the key:
"With WoH you just need to coordinate with the other monks..."
I usually don't have other monks. Except in PvP but there, any healing is needed. Consider that Heal Other is 150pts+DF, Horizon is 60+DF, so H.O. it's more energy efficient - if used correctly. With good energy management you can keep up 10 energy heals almost indefinitely: I use Offering of Blood and healing touch, or alternatively Energy Drain and some other mesmer leech skill.
Heal other (151+38DF for 10 energy) is slightly less energy efficient than Orizon (60+38DF for 5 energy), with a slightly shorter casting time. That's if your DF is maxed at 12, if it's lower, it tilts toward h.o. OTOH, it leaves you more "down" time in which you can cast other stuff or just realize where your comrades are going
IMO.
"With WoH you just need to coordinate with the other monks..."
I usually don't have other monks. Except in PvP but there, any healing is needed. Consider that Heal Other is 150pts+DF, Horizon is 60+DF, so H.O. it's more energy efficient - if used correctly. With good energy management you can keep up 10 energy heals almost indefinitely: I use Offering of Blood and healing touch, or alternatively Energy Drain and some other mesmer leech skill.
Heal other (151+38DF for 10 energy) is slightly less energy efficient than Orizon (60+38DF for 5 energy), with a slightly shorter casting time. That's if your DF is maxed at 12, if it's lower, it tilts toward h.o. OTOH, it leaves you more "down" time in which you can cast other stuff or just realize where your comrades are going
IMO.
FrogDevourer
This is officially a
Neoteo, could you please troll somewhere else? Thanks in advance.
Neoteo, could you please troll somewhere else? Thanks in advance.
Red Sonya
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i mean , this is a online game or what ? if people want to play alone , just buy a single player game ...
if this game had no henchs , the cumunity would be much better IMO NO BOTS FOR HUMAN TEAMS ! teamplay or no play at all |
Who are you to determine how a person plays online? Who are you to determine that they should group only if they play online? Just who the hell are you? I'll tell you who, you are NOBODY, an IGMO and I'm happy A-Net has no interest in listening to you or complying with your demand.
Normal people in this world like and enjoy "variety", once you break something down into only one type of play or the only type of play you reduce population. and also for the company reduce "income/revenue" for the game made. It's in the best interest of the company to design a game many types of people enjoy instead of just one "selfish" type of player like yourself.
A good example of a game you are talking about is Shadowbane, a complete flop because it was PVP only and nothing for the casual/soloist type of gamer. Barely has 20,000 population of players left now, be one of those off the charts not far down the road. How bout instead of those that like to play with henchies should play a single player game offline that instead you go play Shadowbane? eh?
Schorny
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Ah doh, that's the key:
"With WoH you just need to coordinate with the other monks..." I usually don't have other monks. |
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with 38 DF you heal with 2 orisons for:
60+38+60+38=196
and with HO
150+38 = 188
seems like orison is more effective
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the more DF you have, the more effective orison becomes.
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I say you don't need HO, I don't say HO is useless.
for the "down" time - you forget to take your Offering of blood, energy drain, etc. into account
With energy draining and QZ up, it is much harder to get 10 or 13 energy than it is to get 5 or 7 energy - so that is also an important point.
please don't be so narrow minded and believe that your build is superior to any other - I just said that mine is also good.
Red Sonya
Schorny what does that above mess have to do with this topic? Are you kin to Neo or something?
Calimar
k last reply then we can continue in pvt if you like.
Yes, I meant Horizon is slightly more efficient with high DF. Maxed without runes or equip is 12, of course you can and will go higher... but rarely over 13, which means if my math is correct 41 hp. Add 3 on both sides, won't change much.
WoH is an elite... strong, but I can do without it, and use elites for other things that can't be effectively be done without. Actually we didn't talk about Healing Touch, which is a very strong self-healing spell for 5 energy... my point is not that you CAN'T do a build with only 5en spells, my point is that you CAN make it work with 10energy spells.
As per my build being "superior", never thought or implied anything like that. My build works for ME, but that's the extent of my trust in it. We all have our preferences.
Yes, I meant Horizon is slightly more efficient with high DF. Maxed without runes or equip is 12, of course you can and will go higher... but rarely over 13, which means if my math is correct 41 hp. Add 3 on both sides, won't change much.
WoH is an elite... strong, but I can do without it, and use elites for other things that can't be effectively be done without. Actually we didn't talk about Healing Touch, which is a very strong self-healing spell for 5 energy... my point is not that you CAN'T do a build with only 5en spells, my point is that you CAN make it work with 10energy spells.
As per my build being "superior", never thought or implied anything like that. My build works for ME, but that's the extent of my trust in it. We all have our preferences.
Plague
This, in addition to being an online game, is supposed to be a game of skill, strategy and intelligence.
Let's remove henchmen and stupid people. I'd say that would resolve both of our problems.
Let's remove henchmen and stupid people. I'd say that would resolve both of our problems.
Mithie
Yeah guys, let's spend 6 patches streamlining henchmen performance then ditch them.
trelloskilos
Reasons NOT to take Henchies out:
1. They can provide a good "Fill in" when you've been standing around trying to assemble a team for hours.
2. They allow for people who bought the game and do not want to participate in PUGs to play.
3. They are effective, obedient, co-operative and do a decent job
4. They don't spam your chat with "U r all n00bz!U 5uxxor!OMGLOL!1!onelelven" while drawing phalluses on the minimap
5. You are in more control of the pace of the game, and don't have anyone else to dictate it for you.
6. They are useful as meat-shields
7. They allow you to do practice runs of missions so you can tweak your build and get some experience of the layout before you team up with others.
Reasons to remove henchies:
1. Ummm.......because the OP doesn't like them?
1. They can provide a good "Fill in" when you've been standing around trying to assemble a team for hours.
2. They allow for people who bought the game and do not want to participate in PUGs to play.
3. They are effective, obedient, co-operative and do a decent job
4. They don't spam your chat with "U r all n00bz!U 5uxxor!OMGLOL!1!onelelven" while drawing phalluses on the minimap
5. You are in more control of the pace of the game, and don't have anyone else to dictate it for you.
6. They are useful as meat-shields
7. They allow you to do practice runs of missions so you can tweak your build and get some experience of the layout before you team up with others.
Reasons to remove henchies:
1. Ummm.......because the OP doesn't like them?
neoteo
lol , i love this forum.
Mithie
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lol , i love this forum.
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... but your idea totally sucks, really.
Ooma
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Reasons NOT to take Henchies out:
5. You are in more control of the pace of the game, and don't have anyone else to dictate it for you. 7. They allow you to do practice runs of missions so you can tweak your build and get some experience of the layout before you team up with others. |
In most of the PUGs I've joined it's been a quick 'run here, run there', 'I know the way!' - if it weren't for henchies I would have, perhaps, only seen 50% of the game/areas.
As I wrote in another post, my first foray into the underworld was a disaster, mainly because I hadn't henched it previously and had no idea what skills to take. I assume now that the group who invited me thought I was a trapper. We didn't get very far, it was a mixed group, but it was fun trying. Was a great group though, no name-calling whatsoever.
As for those who say they can't get a game in the underworld unless they're a monk, in Temple of the Ages, I messaged "Job Offer: - 1st timer/old-timers preferred, no exp necessary, any class, just for fun" for about 15 minutes and got absolutely NO takers at all. Maybe because EU has favour so seldom that everyone only wants experienced groups?
Keep henchies, level them to 20, allow them everywhere!
Phoenix Denfer
Man what is it today? Petitions for removing the 15K Druid...*yeah right* and now petition to remove henchies?
They better come out with Sorrow's Furnace soon... idle hands and keyboards you know.
They better come out with Sorrow's Furnace soon... idle hands and keyboards you know.
Calimar
Got a hint: neoteo was joking me thinks seen a thread where he says "OMG! what an idiotic idea! I'm gonna start a thread inspired on this!"
seen a thread where he says "OMG! what an idiotic idea! I'm gonna start a thread inspired on this!"
Red Sonya
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This, in addition to being an online game, is supposed to be a game of skill, strategy and intelligence.
Let's remove henchmen and stupid people. I'd say that would resolve both of our problems. |
Loviatar
NO
LOUSEY IDEA
DONT LIKE THEM DONT USE THEM
LOUSEY IDEA
DONT LIKE THEM DONT USE THEM