Upcoming Summer update = excitement in tombs

With the summer update just around the corner. I don't wait anything but see a increased activity in tombs in order to get the favor for our respective realms.

I'm looking forward to this and expect to see a highly competetive enviroment for the upcomming matches. Good luck everyone.

there has been a lot of discussion about removing the favor system from the game....and since ArenaNet has adopted a strict policy of polishing the proverbial ballsack of it's community there is a good chance that the summer update will remove the favor system

I am not in favor of removing the favor system. it is one of the things i truly love in this game.

UW and FoW are high experience areas that should only come as a reward for soemthing.

if they change it i will be truly upset

A reward for what? Being in the same region as a team that wins the Hall of Heroes? For moving to the American world? Clearly, both are noble endeavours that deserve some kind of reward.

so you are saying that it should be open to everyone all the time? then what is the use of having areas like that? the whole point of them is they can only be used when you have favor. if they take away the favor aspect of them then they need to take the areas out.

sorry if you cannot get in 24/7 but just like the made it so only ascended people can get in they need to keep the favor aspect as well

spoken like someone that has ether never had to wait, and wait, and WAIT to get into the UW, or a meember of the US server.

true, you should have done *something* of merit to be alowed into the UW...but, wait, you have....you did the Acention thing.
traipsing thru that is good enough, i say, to alow you a ticket to the undeworld.

also, what is the point of fighting to get into the uw, when most of the teams that are holding the HoH are there for the faction points, not specifically to alow thier server to get into these places. sure, its a nice way of getting the access to the place, but they are not going to then run off to go there, are they, when holding the HoH nets them more staying that rushing off.

favor/favour should be about the Gods, after all, its their favoru were supposed to be fighting for....

and yeah, to the OP, go teams...all teams, anywhere and any server....practice, practice and have fun ^^

Why? Why do they need to keep favour? It doesn't reward the people that actually win the Hall of Heroes, and it certainly doesn't help the PvE folks who could have pretty much their entire endgame locked out depending on which flag the Spirit team holding the Hall fights under. I'm on the European world, so I never get any benefit from this system because my Guild is International, and predominantly American, and I'd imagine many other European players are in a similar situation. Those of us who play in Tombs also get shafted by the favour system, as it encourages blind racism and ganking teams based on their nationality alone. Many a time I've lost a Tombs group because two European teams decided they'd rather get my team out of the game before attacking each other. I'd also argue that local chat in Tombs (staging areas and fights) and Temple of Ages is a mess of xenophobia, but the Guild Wars playerbase being retarded, local chat was a lost cause anyway.

Your argument pro-favour is specious.

I completly agree with what you said Mumblyfish. There is no reason why PvE and PvP should be linked, if they want to make an extra challenge for people to get into the UW and FoW they could just make an area similar to the first round of tombs or something.

I am sorry that you live in europe and that you play on the European server. that is whjy you want to nerf the favor thing.

however, it is not americas or koreas fault that europeans are either not the greatest PvP'ers or that most of them play on the american servers.

those are the only 2 reason i can think of why you do not have favor more than you do.

and by the way i hve waited pelnty for America to get favor when i want to go to UW.

if we do not have favor i do something else (like trying to gain favor)

instead of trying to get yet another aspect of the game nerfed try conformingyour game play to the game instead of making the game conform to you

Nothing has been said about linking Sorrow's Furnace to the Favor system, to my knowledge. It would be ridiculous from a conceptual standpoint anyway. The Underworld and Fissure of Woe are basically parallel realms/planes/universes/whatever, the Furnace is located right in the Southern Shiverpeaks.

And Tombs, a highly competitive environment? Haha, that's a funny one. If by highly competitive environment, you mean 'festering cesspool of game imbalance, racism and unoriginality', then you're right.

You know when something is bad and needs to be re-thought when it creates such a mess of controversy even on forums like this, let alone in the game.

I've said this countless times, but 1 more won't hurt, but it may just make a difference.

The CONCEPT of WaW is a GOOD idea. The IMPLEMENTATION is BAD.

The entire game is based on roleplay, whether PvP or PvE. You are creating a character that should be a personification of, and represent a Tyrian country, not a real-world geographical area based on which server is closest. You can immerse yourself in GW almost totally without even thinking of the outside world, then suddenly "Team X has won a battle for the Hall of Heores and gains favor of the gods for USA/Europe/Korea".

There is a rich and detailed description of the history of Tyria in the guide book(s) that came in the game, talking of the different regions of Tyria - Ascalon, Krytia and Orr. Why not impose a fictional name of each real world area? OK - you know that when "Ascalon" is mentioned, it's USA, or "Krytia" that Korea has won, but it's better than destroying the ambience of the game.

Also, allowing people to switch their own allegiances, not by server, but by their own personal prefference, this mixes up every single section in WaW and puts the onus of choice on the player. Racism becomes a thing of the past, because your team could easily be a mix of representatives from all 3 servers. The Tyrian district your team places allegiances with could also be just as strategic as what skills you bring too. Furthermore, it allows anyone who has no interest whatsoever in PvP, but do wish to participate in UW and FoW to enter whenever they please.

Result? A more close-knit GW community, loss of "real-world" racism (I'd sooner have omeone saying 'bloody Ascalonians' or 'Bloody Krytians' than being derogatory to USA, Europe or Korea), more interest in PvP as any area could be more dominant, no more whingeing about how one group dominate HoH over another, and how they never get a crack at UW and FoW, and finally (and best of all), it allows the entire community to decide if WaW really is a good thing. If it is, then HoH battles will rage long into the future to fight as representatives of a fictional district. If not, then the masses will clump together to make allegiances with one district, and WaW will become almost obsolete.

I really feel that it should be removed. The favor is a PvP aspect that only affects the PvE players. Separate the environments Anet, please.

Sure, I enjoy the constant favor being on the American server, but I don't understand the purpose anymore. You can just buy ectos and shards now from the traders, so I can just farm somewhere else while we don't have the favor (as brief as it may be at times). The huge exp rewards, big deal. It isn't very difficult to get 20k exp just fighting by yourself. Scroll of Berserker's Insight + 3 minutes to gather and kill griffins... 10k right there.

Yes. Actually. Why do you deserve to go there rather than the other countries? I say all the top PvP guilds go on strike and let you earn it. Because I think you're just riding the coattails of both the good and the FoTM tombs competition. Have you ever even been to the HoH?

Balance in access to UW & FOW is not the only issue with the WaW system. It seems to have encouraged a lot of racism in the guildwars community too.

Hang on, the devs have no stated how these new areas with be accessable yet!

So this dicussion is groundless at the moment

How about this. only the top 1000 guilds can have the favor of the gods. and go to underworld and fissure. that would inspire TRUE competition for ladder placement. Don't worry it will not happen, as too many would cry about it. But it would make those areas have better drops if less could go there.

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

Well Put Mumblyfish Top Marks

Uw and Fissure should be available to PVE lvl20 Ascended players 24/7. Thats the reward for finishing the game. Not reward because a team of PVP players in your region opened it for you. Come join the Euro servers and see are side of the fence. See how long it is before your transfering back across the atlantic to Uncle Sam.

/signed Remove favor

Yeah it does and I can play there but not in the UW and FoW as I not ascened but I can still play in halls of heros and arenas.It is not just to get faction it is about winning a sigil most PVPers don't care about Favour for those in the UW and FoW.What good does it do them and it is harder than the UW and FoW?

I too have had to wait at ToA for the US to take favor away from Europe, much more than I've waited for the US to take favor from Korea... so someone over there in Europe is winning favor!

I don't have a problem with the system as it is... this shouldn't be viewed as a reward for finishing the game--you, err, finished it! Besides, having ascended is hardly the end of the game... there's about 8 more missions after that!

Yea sure... lets go make UW and FoW open 24/7, then lets go get rid of ToPK and HOH because we dont need that anymore, lets all goto 4v4 and sit there for hours and get bored off our arses, or lets play throught UW and FoW constantly til its boring, lets go grind.. grinding is obviously what this game is all about, infact, free 100-200 damage Crystaline Sword for everyone!

Yep, lets get rid of favor. It truly inspires friendly competition. Just go to any district of ToA when your area doesnt have favor, and you can clearly see that.

Reality check! People don't play Tombs or Hall of Heroes to gain favour! In fact, guess why people played them before this batshit insane favour system was tacked on? For fun!

guys, arent we going a bit off topic?

Original post was about how he hopes the new update will get more people fighting for favour. Discussion has (barely) shifted into anti-favour sentiments. Really, the original post didn't give a topic to talk about anyway, so put stop polishing the Junior Moderator badge.

I put up a petition about this.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=50430

But about the update, the battles will be more fun as it will bring back some of the good players.

I don't think it will make things much more competitive or exciting in tombs. There's underlying problems still that make it so most people might get an urge from time to time to play, but then realize the PVP is still pretty effed up and rarely fun at all. With so many other games out there that are more entertaining it's going to take actual effort on Arenanet's part to give their pvp part of the game life. Not tying pvp character creation to the PVE game would be the best start, but that would make sense.

Or perhaps the top guilds should just keep changing their alliance. A couple of weeks back I saw Sissy Boys win favour for Korea...

Yes for fun but to win favor actually makes it worthwhile instead of simply picking up a sigil or 2. Would lose a lot of appeal to me if they took away the favor system without compensating in some way by earning something else..

Getting all the pm's when your name comes up as winning in the hall for keeping the favor and people congratualting..its great.

You put in all the effort for winning to recieve a sigil.. when if they opened uw and FoW all the time people just go solo farm there and they probably gonna un-nerf so to speak as thats what the majority want.. so pve'rs getting more than someone who puts time and effort into the hoh.. loses appeal somewhat.

Sums up the flaws in the WaW system perfectly


And as for this:



I could train a chimpanzee to type better ( and give a better counter-argument... )

They had a Korean player leading a team of 5 or more members of the sB, they didn't switch their entire guild to the Korean server, which you can't even do on an American copy of GW. You're incorrect.

Maybe what Anet can do is they can change it from Europe vs Korea vs America to East vs West ....and when logging in there would be an option to choose whether to play on the Eastern or Western server.

This way it can eliminate those racism sentiments.

Of course you love it. Of course you would be upset. You're obviously playing on a server that practically has favor 23 h a day now because the favor system is so messed up, and gets just worse and worse as more active european players move to american servers, realizing how ANet doesn't care that favor system practically separates the players in 2 groups: those who can enjoy the game fully, and those who can only enter the cheap areas, and have never even seen a stormbow drop.

I do love the whole WaW idea as such, but I hate its implementation. Not just because Europe with 100x less players than America cannot compete for favor on equal footing, but also because of all the racism and hatred this system creates.

Why can't we keep the favor system, but link it to certain gods, or ingame regions instead?

Oh, i didn´t thought of the fact that Furnace might not be connected to ToA... LOL

you are right. give us an easier skill unlock. after all like you said

RAWWR RAWWR RAWWR: i knew i shouldn't have glanced through this thread but I really can't stop laughing. I think what we really need to determine is the percentage of people who cry the most. Is it the poor casual pve player who sometimes need to wait countless hours sitting at the heals of Grenth for a 15 min smite run, or the hardcore pvpers who would rejoice at not having to share favor with anyone if he could? You poor people!

It is almost obvious after reading 2 pages of this nonsense that neither side will convince eachother..and in reality, it doesn't matter, because its all up to the devs, and rumor is the system is not going to be altered/changed/nerfed/booted/whatever it is you want it to be.

I have an idea, go out, get layed and come back to the game with an open mind, and a willingness to have fun, not to spam discontent about an aspect of the game that is slightly out of your control.

gooday

well hello...

Sorrows furnace can be entered through Grenths footprint wich will both most likely be in souther shiverpeaks i take this from the stone summit in pics so hold ure horses and imo it would be really dull to shift such a huge update onto the favour system :l

I like the idea of fighting for a faction that people/guilds could join that would be cross-cultural.