Debate on Gore
Dreamsmith
Actually, a missing element is less likely to tear you away from an illusion than an element that's there but not perfectly accurate.
Tur713
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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith
Actually, a missing element is less likely to tear you away from an illusion than an element that's there but not perfectly accurate.
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astzzz
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Originally Posted by Lunarhound
I don't like the idea of excessive gore, but if it were up to me, certain attacks would show a small bit of blood, like when you use an attack that causes bleeding in World of Warcraft.
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And for the arguments about blood not fitting into the atmosphere, well, look at some of the skill images and condition images. And when you're on fire, your body is covered in flames....
Avatin
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Originally Posted by DEATH AT THE DOOR
It wouldn't change the gameplay so it is uneccessary.
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I dont know. 
I would probably vote yes to that question.
Tur713
Okay, so the debate has finally been shifted from blood and gore to just about gore. Let's try to keep it that way. And if we must we can open up a whole different thread to debate blood.
Cicciro
What is the difference really?
Relazil
I think Gore would be more like, if someone uses a skill meant to make you bleed, you bleed all over the place! And limbs are removed! And when you die, sometimes your head gets cut off, and goes flying! And when your whole group is dead, you have a bunch of headless corpses; their heads piled up near them! Blood and limbs everywhere!
But that was probably obvious.
But that was probably obvious.
Devil's Dictionary
Blood
n.
1. The fluid consisting of plasma, blood cells, and platelets that is circulated by the heart through the vertebrate vascular system, carrying oxygen and nutrients to and waste materials away from all body tissues.
Gore
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Blood, especially coagulated blood from a wound.
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1. The fluid consisting of plasma, blood cells, and platelets that is circulated by the heart through the vertebrate vascular system, carrying oxygen and nutrients to and waste materials away from all body tissues.
Gore
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Blood, especially coagulated blood from a wound.
Firax
Blood is nice becuase it reminds me that my character isn't beating up a rag doll. (And that my character isn't a rag doll himself)
'Gore' (popular defination) really isn't nessisary.
~Firax
'Gore' (popular defination) really isn't nessisary.
~Firax
William of Orange
The thought about adding blood to the game had never even crossed my mind when I was playing the game. The game was fine without it, I'm much more worried about the quality of gameplay and content than if I see some blood spilled. If I wanted that, I'd go watch the Ninja (Gray Fox) annihilate people in Metal Gear Solid when he's going to attack Otacon...
Thundermaine Hilts
I believe the gore in the game would wreak the appeal of the game to parents and children wanting to play a "Clean Game". The overall appeal of this game for me was that when you killed things there was none of that to worry about.
The way the other character dies, without gore, is good because we all know what has happened to that character or animal. Imagination is difinitely stronger than any picture you can add to a game for "making it real", by adding gore.
The game is designed as you would play chess... even when your character dies, the game is stopped momentarily and your character is reset/spawned into a safety area. The same as chess pieces that you can earn back later by advancing the pawn to reclaim/spawn a new piece.
Peace.
Thundermaine Hilts
The way the other character dies, without gore, is good because we all know what has happened to that character or animal. Imagination is difinitely stronger than any picture you can add to a game for "making it real", by adding gore.
The game is designed as you would play chess... even when your character dies, the game is stopped momentarily and your character is reset/spawned into a safety area. The same as chess pieces that you can earn back later by advancing the pawn to reclaim/spawn a new piece.
Peace.
Thundermaine Hilts
Zaklex
Actually, there's all ready blood in the game, when someone uses WoB, the spell effect is a spreading pattern of red blood.
thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish
Just a quick copy/paste job, here. So I'm lazy.
Oh God, please don't ruin another game by adding unnecessary violence. If I have to perservere with blood and amputations, and loads of 12 year olds screaming "OMFG BLUD TEH KEWL!!AOL", I will cry. Hey, why not add prositute-beating and carjacking, have a vampire with huge tits, and make the Prince of Persia say "YOU BITCH". Go the full childish gamut! Nothing saps the fun out of fantasy swordfights, or anything for that matter, quite as much as gore. I'd much rather have flashy effects than screaming and dark red fluid spraying out everywhere. |
Cicciro
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Devil's Dictionary
This example is not without a cause.
Adding extreme language or violence to a game is a sure way to attract people under 16. GTA, Manhunt, Max Payne, Counter Strike, Soldier of Fortune... I bet Doom 3 would've been there if not for the fact that kids found it scary.
Adding extreme language or violence to a game is a sure way to attract people under 16. GTA, Manhunt, Max Payne, Counter Strike, Soldier of Fortune... I bet Doom 3 would've been there if not for the fact that kids found it scary.
Cicciro
Is that really a problem? Are you that scared of the youth? Be honest now, we know that this community is going to be a load of shit anyway, is detering the youth a problem? Perhaps instead we should add the blood and gore, see if we cannot pass laws that will not allow games of a mature rating to be sold to those under seventeen, create awareness programs, then you can live in your model 17+ society... you make me laugh.
Nova
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Originally Posted by Tur713
There's been such a debate on it, that I decided to add a thread about it. What do you guys thing about gore being added in the game?
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However, in order for this game to be life-like it will have to. It doesn't have to be extremly gorey. Just, like when you score a hit with a sharp blade or puntrure with the force of your mighty club or mace, gore is just... WELL, ITS JUST NOT NATURAL FOR SOMETHING NOT TO BLEED! I love enjoying games like this. A slight spray of blood from the swipe of my sword that dissapates after flying in the air for a few momments is perfect. It doesn't have to be terribly grorey at all. I just... I love to get lost in games... leave this world.. we all want to sometimes. It was just be so awesome if they could make a game so close to real in every aspect. And I mean, I don't think children should see tons of goree but they understand weapons do stuff like that. And some who are to young shouldnt be playing anyway and thats the parents fault. I dont think anyone under 10 will play. Probably the lowest will ten at the most. Anyway.. just putting my feelings here.....
Devil's Dictionary
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Originally Posted by Cicciro
Is that really a problem? Are you that scared of the youth? Be honest now, we know that this community is going to be a load of shit anyway, is detering the youth a problem? Perhaps instead we should add the blood and gore, see if we cannot pass laws that will not allow games of a mature rating to be sold to those under seventeen, create awareness programs, then you can live in your model 17+ society... you make me laugh.
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.However I should've precised that the aforementioned games attract immature scum, i.e. people who have a dire need for brains, cannot spell right and believe they are 1337. Smart people under 16 will always get wherever they want to and I see no reason of blocking them off.
Edit: Nova, how can you talk of realism in a fantasy game with dragons and magic?
thegriffgeeks
you edited out that you are 17....however I believe it is significant because Cicciro was accusing us of fearing youth. That means you'd have to be afraid of yourself
This is significant
I for one am glad you have also agreed w/ our experiences. Thank you.
This is significant
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Originally Posted by DEATH AT THE DOOR
I remember when I was fourteen (since I am 17 it's not hard to). I remember when all my classmates played Counter-Strike.
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Devil's Dictionary
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
you edited out that you are 17....however I believe it is significant because Cicciro was accusing us of fearing youth. That means you'd have to be afraid of yourself
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I do not hide my age. If you look in my profile, you may see the year I was born in. I am what I am and see no reason to be ashamed of it. However I find this bit to be irrelevant as this is not Counter-Strike.
If you think it is important, I guess I was wrong to edit it off, then.
Cheers!
"They call us problem child
We spend our lives on trial
We walk an endless mile
We are the youth gone wild
We stand and we won't fall
We're the one and one for all
The writing's on the wall
We are the youth gone wild"
-- Skid Row, "Youth Gone Wild"
Cicciro
You find immature scum everywhere, no need to blame the youth. Please leave flawed and misguided arguements at the door. There will be a collection bin for you to stick them in, and many arrows and bright flashing signs leading you to that box.
thegriffgeeks
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If you think it is important
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Cheers!
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Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by Nova
WELL, ITS JUST NOT NATURAL FOR SOMETHING NOT TO BLEED!
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It's not a question of whether it's natural or a missing detail. It's a question of, since you absolutely must leave many many details out of any game that can run on todays computers, which do you choose to leave out vs. which do you keep? I see no reason to blood any higher on the priority list. Certainly not ahead of stepping over the fence...
RANGER75
I really dont think a bit of gore added would affect anyone or the overall rating of the game. If anything it would add to the realism and immersion into the game. If its to cutsey it may be mistake for that final something game.
Lakonian
I expressed my feelings in a haiku
Blood and guts are cool.
How about bloody footsteps?
My Grandma loves gore
comon guys my grandma even likes gore quit being such pansies.
Blood and guts are cool.
How about bloody footsteps?
My Grandma loves gore
comon guys my grandma even likes gore quit being such pansies.
Dannzzigg
Chalk me up as another vote for "no gore".
I just don't see the point. Speaking only for myself, gore of any kind, whether it is limited to quick splashes or an all-out sensory assault ala Mortal Kombat, doesn't add anything appealing to a game. Perhaps others feel differently, but I would ask: Would you choose to NOT buy a game because it did not have gore? I think the answer would be no. A lack of gore would not prevent someone from buying the game.
On the other hand, ask yourself another question: Would including gore prevent people from buying the game? I speculate that the answer would certainly be: Yes.
For me, the important thing is the succesful sales of the game, granting Anet the continuing ability to provide updates, expansions and support. Crimping their sales in any way only lessens the chances of GW being a long-standing succesful franchise that I hope it will become.
I just don't see the point. Speaking only for myself, gore of any kind, whether it is limited to quick splashes or an all-out sensory assault ala Mortal Kombat, doesn't add anything appealing to a game. Perhaps others feel differently, but I would ask: Would you choose to NOT buy a game because it did not have gore? I think the answer would be no. A lack of gore would not prevent someone from buying the game.
On the other hand, ask yourself another question: Would including gore prevent people from buying the game? I speculate that the answer would certainly be: Yes.
For me, the important thing is the succesful sales of the game, granting Anet the continuing ability to provide updates, expansions and support. Crimping their sales in any way only lessens the chances of GW being a long-standing succesful franchise that I hope it will become.
Devil's Dictionary
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Originally Posted by Whosa Skylore
you act like everyone under 17/16 has to be a complete idiot, ever think that other people that are younger are actually smart? sorry it just pisses me off how you talk about -16 r olds as evil things, instead why dont you acctualy think as everyone diffrent? not every kid is gonna be an idiot and "immature scum" open your eyes a little, not everyone is the same, sterio types tick me off cuse i live in kentucky and the ifrst questions i allways get asked are "do you wear shoes" "do you live on a farm" "do you grow tabacoo" RAR! lol, well just think alittle about how everyone is diffrent, maybe ull learn something
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I suggest you to re-read my argument with Cicciro.
Whosa Skylore
well, i got the part of -16 from "then we could live in a modle 17+ society" and the thing that i dont like is i feel if i told him i was 13 (witch i am) than he wouldnt care about any comments after that, he would not bother to read them, i would allways be an "immature scum" and never another person :/ might just be me
Nova
...you guys aren't etting my point..... I love getting lost in the fantasy liek its real. Why you guys so freakin' critical? God, you guys love killing people's joy? Not cool... anyway...
Most of people on this forum are very intelligent and have goood things to say. I am glad I am not surrounded by idiots!
"I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes! *Shuts helmet* "Keep firing Assholes!
Not cool... anyway...Most of people on this forum are very intelligent and have goood things to say. I am glad I am not surrounded by idiots!
"I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes! *Shuts helmet* "Keep firing Assholes!
Whosa Skylore
riiiiiiiight....well you can get lost in a game to the point you feal its real, but if you get lost in guild wars your getting lost in a fantasy world, and no one here is a fun killer.....at least i dont think. but what theyre saying is the game isnt real its fantasy and, if you want to you can belive that your there, but not on earth like on a fantasy world (or i think thats what they mean). and we arnt critiacle, this is like an argument, where you argue about stating your point, so dont take anything TO seriously. 
Galatea Orea
Nah. It really doesn't need it at all. What kind of blood does a Charr have anyway? I remember when Sacred came out and the American edition was goreless. The howl was incredible, the threads on how to get gore into the game endless. Anyway, Sacred needed gore to spiff it up a bit and improve the battle scenes. This game doesn't need it. Truth to tell, I didn't even realize there wasn't any. I'm always just so damn glad when those ugly critters are dead, I don't care if it's in a pool of blood and gore or not.
Cicciro
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Whosa Skylore
ohh well the only thing than is the word "immuture scum" but back on track with the gore stuff we got a little off there
Thundermaine Hilts
I am still against gore. If you have ever been in a slaughter house, or in combat blood has a certain smell to it... in various stages of decay. Death and dying all holds true with the possiblity if bleeding, and again I restate that it does not belong in a great game like this. You can have all the gore you want, just leave it out of the game, you want gore go to the the slaughter house. I am pretty sure after your "visit" there you will have had enough gore to last a life time.
Keep the game less gorey, and more stategic, and the satisfaction of beating your ememy will still be there... and you may even get to face the same enemy later.
It will keep this game as it was meant to be, for Ladies and Gentlemen to enjoy.
Keep the game less gorey, and more stategic, and the satisfaction of beating your ememy will still be there... and you may even get to face the same enemy later.
It will keep this game as it was meant to be, for Ladies and Gentlemen to enjoy.
MoldyRiceFrenzy
I dont think D2 gore is neccesary, but it would be nice if there was alittle bit or something that looked more realistic than just waving stuff around and seeing damage numbers in the air
Gaile Gray
Interesting thread.
I've probably played a hundred or two hundred computer games in my life. Some more than others, of course. I've been around those playing many hundreds of others. And I don't know, blood and gore never really did it for me. It's usually badly done and in a fantasy game, who needs it? Realism? Aw, don't go there; I'm fighting dragons and skeletons -- how realistic is that? 
If it were added, where would it end? Blood? Innards? Dragging entrails? It's not that I'm squeamish, I just don't see the need or the point, really.
I will say that this is an issue we have discussed at the office, and the decision was that it really adds nothing essential to the game, and the inclusion of gore and blood does make it difficult to market in certain parts of the world. I think it will be great to ahve more players in the game and not displease parents who, for good reason, monitor what their children play, or exclude players who would have trouble buying the game where they live because of a needless inclusion of messy stuff. A Teen or 12+ rating is good; who needs to go higher than that?
I've probably played a hundred or two hundred computer games in my life. Some more than others, of course.
I've been around those playing many hundreds of others. And I don't know, blood and gore never really did it for me. It's usually badly done and in a fantasy game, who needs it? Realism? Aw, don't go there; I'm fighting dragons and skeletons -- how realistic is that? If it were added, where would it end? Blood? Innards? Dragging entrails? It's not that I'm squeamish, I just don't see the need or the point, really.
I will say that this is an issue we have discussed at the office, and the decision was that it really adds nothing essential to the game, and the inclusion of gore and blood does make it difficult to market in certain parts of the world. I think it will be great to ahve more players in the game and not displease parents who, for good reason, monitor what their children play, or exclude players who would have trouble buying the game where they live because of a needless inclusion of messy stuff. A Teen or 12+ rating is good; who needs to go higher than that?
nicosharp
I will have to agree with Gaile here.
My girlfriend has a 10 year old brother obsessed with violent video games. Why? Well his answer: "Man did you see that blood spurt from his head, geez this is cool!"
I am not saying everyone wanting this is twisted and demented, or that they will end up that way. Just that we have become so desensitized by violence amoung other things in mainstream society, that rather being grossed out by seeing something gruesome we get a small adrenaline rush. When the violence becomes even more recurring, we simply expect it to be there. Like colors in a painting. Now we have sites doing "goatse" which is to disturbing to look into, but younger kids think its funny? I don't think it is needed, the game is beautiful why tarnish it with "blood spurts" for violent cheap thrills.
My girlfriend has a 10 year old brother obsessed with violent video games. Why? Well his answer: "Man did you see that blood spurt from his head, geez this is cool!"
I am not saying everyone wanting this is twisted and demented, or that they will end up that way. Just that we have become so desensitized by violence amoung other things in mainstream society, that rather being grossed out by seeing something gruesome we get a small adrenaline rush. When the violence becomes even more recurring, we simply expect it to be there. Like colors in a painting. Now we have sites doing "goatse" which is to disturbing to look into, but younger kids think its funny? I don't think it is needed, the game is beautiful why tarnish it with "blood spurts" for violent cheap thrills.
PawnBoy
I have to say that I'm against gore in the game.
In addtition to not adding anything functional, it just seems like it would be in sharp contrast to the rest of the game. I mean, the game is just so beautiful in general. How many people have found themselves captivated by one of the expansive landscapes. The beams of light streaking through the clouds, the wonderful bloom effects radiating light off your character. I mean... a sticky opaque red liquid isn't going to make the game any prettier.
Diablo 2 was a dark and "dirty" game, torrents of blood was very fitting and I don't think that anyone every questioned it's being there. Guildwars on the otherhand is not by ANY means dark, or dirty, and I think that gore would only subtract from it's beauty.
In addtition to not adding anything functional, it just seems like it would be in sharp contrast to the rest of the game. I mean, the game is just so beautiful in general. How many people have found themselves captivated by one of the expansive landscapes. The beams of light streaking through the clouds, the wonderful bloom effects radiating light off your character. I mean... a sticky opaque red liquid isn't going to make the game any prettier.
Diablo 2 was a dark and "dirty" game, torrents of blood was very fitting and I don't think that anyone every questioned it's being there. Guildwars on the otherhand is not by ANY means dark, or dirty, and I think that gore would only subtract from it's beauty.