as it started to get off topic here I thought it would be nice to put up a petition to remove/change favor.
Now, I realize that if you remove favor that pvp people will have nothing to fight for? Well, to be honest, at the moment they are not really fighting for anything besides bragging rights/faction/and sigils. Most PVPers play PVP FOR PVP, most PVErs player for PVE. My suggestion? If you want to keep a country war, reward the pvpers for having favor, make them glow or something. And if you want to keep the people to earn into the UW/fissure, make a quest that has to be done that is PVE. I'm not here to give you the great ideas, I'm here to see how many agree with me, and also want it changed.
Thanks.
/signed
Petition to remove/change Favor.
Imp
neoteo
dont agree , i think its important to keep pvp and pve connected ...
this way people have to team up , if you disconnect favor from fissure , solo ego maniac would become rich farmers easyly , at least they have to wait for favor .
as i said in other thread , i would take the henchs out of the game , so people realy had to meet real humans to do anything in the game , but thats my radical opinion.
this way people have to team up , if you disconnect favor from fissure , solo ego maniac would become rich farmers easyly , at least they have to wait for favor .
as i said in other thread , i would take the henchs out of the game , so people realy had to meet real humans to do anything in the game , but thats my radical opinion.
Valiance
"Most PVPers play PVP FOR PVP, most PVErs player for PVE."
If most PvP'ers play for PvP why would it favor matter to PvP'ers?
"you want to keep a country war, reward the pvpers for having favor, make them glow or something."
Well PvP'ers do have a reward, but it's not for favor. Once you reach rank 3 you can do a command that shows your ranking animal. That's pretty neat.
And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work.
If most PvP'ers play for PvP why would it favor matter to PvP'ers?
"you want to keep a country war, reward the pvpers for having favor, make them glow or something."
Well PvP'ers do have a reward, but it's not for favor. Once you reach rank 3 you can do a command that shows your ranking animal. That's pretty neat.
And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work.
Perishiko ReLLiK
Completely disagree.
As a player of both pve and pvp i would see no point in not having the favor. So you don't get into the uw or fissure of woe as much? Oh well... not too large of a loss... perhaps you should tweak up a build with in your guild and win the favor for yourself, rather then wanting to get rid of favor, or complaining that other people on your server arent getting it enough. I see it as a pure lack of motivation.
And from what i've seen, since i bet you're in a europeon area, there are plenty of euro guilds that will hold it for hours on end... it's not like its impossible with a good team.
Personaly i think the observer mode will eliminate so many crappy teams and bring on more "copies" of current builds that seem to work... but oh well.
Edit:: Just to add, you probably dont like pvp, correct? Then stop playing the game untill and expansion comes with more content for you. Trust me, uw and fissure isnt making you miss much, there's tons of that world to explore... And personaly, i found the reward of exploring is the scenic view... people complain about not having special items in these far out area's... but the graphical items out there are amazing... tons in the desert, and around the mountain. I saw tons more near the coast lines as well... Cool looking boats, different lava statues and rivers, and other misc things...
As a player of both pve and pvp i would see no point in not having the favor. So you don't get into the uw or fissure of woe as much? Oh well... not too large of a loss... perhaps you should tweak up a build with in your guild and win the favor for yourself, rather then wanting to get rid of favor, or complaining that other people on your server arent getting it enough. I see it as a pure lack of motivation.
And from what i've seen, since i bet you're in a europeon area, there are plenty of euro guilds that will hold it for hours on end... it's not like its impossible with a good team.
Personaly i think the observer mode will eliminate so many crappy teams and bring on more "copies" of current builds that seem to work... but oh well.
Edit:: Just to add, you probably dont like pvp, correct? Then stop playing the game untill and expansion comes with more content for you. Trust me, uw and fissure isnt making you miss much, there's tons of that world to explore... And personaly, i found the reward of exploring is the scenic view... people complain about not having special items in these far out area's... but the graphical items out there are amazing... tons in the desert, and around the mountain. I saw tons more near the coast lines as well... Cool looking boats, different lava statues and rivers, and other misc things...
neoteo
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And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work
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yes thats execly what i mean , people would have to learn to team work ... or just stop playing , there would be no place for very ignorant or/and suck at team work.
if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack .
human play or no play !
And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work
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yes thats execly what i mean , people would have to learn to team work ... or just stop playing , there would be no place for very ignorant or/and suck at team work.
if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack .
human play or no play !
Sandman Uk
/Signed
Agreed reward for entering UW/Fiss should be lvl20 Ascended players who have completed the last mission and have earned the right to continue PVE in the UW/Fiss.
For the PVE players who dont like the PVP side this can be annoying waiting for a PVP team from your region to open it for you so you can carry on playing PVE.
IT DONT MIX, DONT FORCE PVE PEOPLE TO PLAY PVP LET THEM CHOOSE.
Is there an area thats locked in PVP play, that requires something in the PVE world to open it for them. I think not else they would have been complaining like they were when they were forced to come unlock Runes and Weapon upgrades IN PVE.
They had a change in Faction points to trade to help them acheive what they want without having to play PVE.
Anet give us PVE what we want and open it up to lvl20 Assended players
It makes sense dont it ;-)
Agreed reward for entering UW/Fiss should be lvl20 Ascended players who have completed the last mission and have earned the right to continue PVE in the UW/Fiss.
For the PVE players who dont like the PVP side this can be annoying waiting for a PVP team from your region to open it for you so you can carry on playing PVE.
IT DONT MIX, DONT FORCE PVE PEOPLE TO PLAY PVP LET THEM CHOOSE.
Is there an area thats locked in PVP play, that requires something in the PVE world to open it for them. I think not else they would have been complaining like they were when they were forced to come unlock Runes and Weapon upgrades IN PVE.
They had a change in Faction points to trade to help them acheive what they want without having to play PVE.
Anet give us PVE what we want and open it up to lvl20 Assended players
It makes sense dont it ;-)
Imp
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Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK
Edit:: Just to add, you probably dont like pvp, correct?
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Originally Posted by neoteo
if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack .
human play or no play ! |
Ultimate_Gaara
Favor is not needed, but adds an aspect of excitment so i think they should keep it.. im not a fan of america's constant korea bashing or euro insulting, but it adds an environment of how much people want it, kinda like the characters in the game would..
well thats the way i see it anyways
well thats the way i see it anyways
dargon
I suggest favor be left, but at the same time, make the UW entrance in Lornars accessable whether or not favor is held at a cost of 3 platinum. It's not an outpost so you couldn't just run there and change your build and it would give the runners a new way to fleec.. err profit, yeah that's the word 
people who want to go there.
people who want to go there.
smurfhunter
i dont know about you but most people who wait for uw to go 'online' again dont spend the time in hoh 
they usually wait for the big bad guilds to do it for you. and hey where would be the fun if you couldnt flame korea when your bored
they usually wait for the big bad guilds to do it for you. and hey where would be the fun if you couldnt flame korea when your bored
Weezer_Blue
/sign for change...
Instead of a cumulative amount, make it so that 24 hours after winning the Hall of Heroes, you have a rank stick and perhaps some nice glowing aura or something. For those who weren't in beta, Rank Sticks were short staves that you held in your hand while in outposts that signifyed your rank. Rank 1 was a wooden staff with some wierd animal head crudely carved on it and a single little star orbiting around it. Rank 2 was the same with another star, and rank 3 was a new staff... The really high ranked ones were gold and gaudy, but the concept was all around awesome - except for what happens now with the /fame animation. Descrimination in choosing groups. That's why a temporary signification of your awesomeness would own. Also, every town should have a place for enormous statues of all the people in your team, as well as a little inscription at the bottom that, when read, would tell you who was in the party and their classes (like when you read the lore). The banners of the guild that made most of the group, or otherwise the leader of that group, would be hung all over the place.
Instead of a cumulative amount, make it so that 24 hours after winning the Hall of Heroes, you have a rank stick and perhaps some nice glowing aura or something. For those who weren't in beta, Rank Sticks were short staves that you held in your hand while in outposts that signifyed your rank. Rank 1 was a wooden staff with some wierd animal head crudely carved on it and a single little star orbiting around it. Rank 2 was the same with another star, and rank 3 was a new staff... The really high ranked ones were gold and gaudy, but the concept was all around awesome - except for what happens now with the /fame animation. Descrimination in choosing groups. That's why a temporary signification of your awesomeness would own. Also, every town should have a place for enormous statues of all the people in your team, as well as a little inscription at the bottom that, when read, would tell you who was in the party and their classes (like when you read the lore). The banners of the guild that made most of the group, or otherwise the leader of that group, would be hung all over the place.
MCS
/signed to stop the constant female-dogging
The Great Al
I always liked the idea to have the favor system changed. I think, when a country has favor, in PvE, maybe they get healed for a few more points each time, or maybe they can hold 2 elite skills, something to make them more powerful in game..because, until you get to the ToA, favor doesnt mean anything anyway.
Castanza
i'm a big fan of the favor system because it makes UW/FOW just that much more desirable. Good things are always worth waiting for. Besides if people had access to UW and FOW 24/7 it would lessen the excitement of getting the much desired FOW armor.
No UW and FOW are something that needs to be earned and waited for, but that's just my opinion.
No UW and FOW are something that needs to be earned and waited for, but that's just my opinion.
Judas Paladin
I agree completely no favor.
I say, imagine the game without favor though, personally i can't imagine any real differences to the game except all those UW farmers who wait in ToA won't have to wait anymore
and about the items...well its really for the ecto and crap isn't it and people have enough of those nowadays since that last cough stroke of genius update cough.
and you cant farm fow (yeah yeah maybe some elite awesome 3 man team can but im talking about the average group/guild group/pug)
it would add to the teamplay as in FoW or UW that is where the real team playing goes down, and if you can do it all day all night it would just make the experience all the more beneficial to learning teamplay skills. Considering all the bad PUG experiences we have, it would be a good learning experience for the beginner. I mean, when a new player goes to UW or FoW and gets totally flamed for messing something up and then we lose favor , does that player really even want to wait around for that again? No, i say let him go back down and learn from his mistakes.
Runs take like hours, and i don't think many people would do more than 1 at a time
we got favor all the time...i say let some other countries have a spin too!
so all in all .. remove favor = no real difference that i can see unless A net has some new grand plan for favor (but i think it was a pretty lame idea to begin with) , in fact maybe a change for the better.
and i agree with whoever said pvp is for pvpers and pve is for pve'ers
I say, imagine the game without favor though, personally i can't imagine any real differences to the game except all those UW farmers who wait in ToA won't have to wait anymore
and about the items...well its really for the ecto and crap isn't it and people have enough of those nowadays since that last cough stroke of genius update cough.
and you cant farm fow (yeah yeah maybe some elite awesome 3 man team can but im talking about the average group/guild group/pug)
it would add to the teamplay as in FoW or UW that is where the real team playing goes down, and if you can do it all day all night it would just make the experience all the more beneficial to learning teamplay skills. Considering all the bad PUG experiences we have, it would be a good learning experience for the beginner. I mean, when a new player goes to UW or FoW and gets totally flamed for messing something up and then we lose favor , does that player really even want to wait around for that again? No, i say let him go back down and learn from his mistakes.
Runs take like hours, and i don't think many people would do more than 1 at a time
we got favor all the time...i say let some other countries have a spin too!
so all in all .. remove favor = no real difference that i can see unless A net has some new grand plan for favor (but i think it was a pretty lame idea to begin with) , in fact maybe a change for the better.
and i agree with whoever said pvp is for pvpers and pve is for pve'ers
Red Sonya
Totally disagree with this petition /unsigned. The WaW is what makes the PVP more fun, nothing more rewarding than keeping other countries from UW/FOW. Bragging is only a personal thing. Glowing wouldn't give any satisfaction would go right along with bragging rights. But, keeping other players from UW/FOW IS the greatest thing about the PVP system of this game. I love reading the Euro's whines.
I love reading the Euro's whines.
thaumaturge
I can see one main useful purpose to the current system: Restricting access so you don't get bored of the same thing. However this fails because America has favour a large majority of the time and people can just about do it as much as they like, it prevents people in Europe from having a turn and this is where it crumbles. But the way the world works I think it would be hard to see it change, maybe make those not in favour pay more? I can't think of a quick solution but I agree to the concept.
Imp
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Originally Posted by Castanza
i'm a big fan of the favor system because it makes UW/FOW just that much more desirable. Good things are always worth waiting for. Besides if people had access to UW and FOW 24/7 it would lessen the excitement of getting the much desired FOW armor.
No UW and FOW are something that needs to be earned and waited for, but that's just my opinion. |
I love PvP AND PvE, but I don't like having to play PvP to play something IN PvE
LathalDraugr
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Totally disagree with this petition /unsigned. The WaW is what makes the PVP more fun, nothing more rewarding than keeping other countries from UW/FOW. Bragging is only a personal thing. Glowing wouldn't give any satisfaction would go right along with bragging rights. But, keeping other players from UW/FOW IS the greatest thing about the PVP system of this game.
I love reading the Euro's whines. |
I love how you seem to think keeping other people from playing the game is fun. It shows us all exactly what kind of person you are. Even better is the fact that now I'm on the US server I get into the FoW/UW without ever having to step in the HoH, just like you. And just so you know the majority of good PvPrs here seem not to care about favour, for that matter I suspect most of the wouldn't care if it was removed altogether. The only people who seem to support it are useless PvErs on the American server who like to bask in other peoples glory.
misthero
Totally desagree,
Arena-Net keep favor as it is please!!!!
Never gained favor with my guild, but we will keep trying until we do, new content for PvEr will be released, I'm both PvEr and PvPr, and it is just fun not having constant acces to special zones, this make this UW or FoW "special", you have to fight for it and it is good.
DON'T HANGE IT!!, just add more zones like FoW and UW that need favor in order to be accessed
Arena-Net keep favor as it is please!!!!
Never gained favor with my guild, but we will keep trying until we do, new content for PvEr will be released, I'm both PvEr and PvPr, and it is just fun not having constant acces to special zones, this make this UW or FoW "special", you have to fight for it and it is good.
DON'T HANGE IT!!, just add more zones like FoW and UW that need favor in order to be accessed
Elena
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Totally desagree,
Arena-Net keep favor as it is please!!!! Never gained favor with my guild, but we will keep trying until we do, new content for PvEr will be released, I'm both PvEr and PvPr, and it is just fun not having constant acces to special zones, this make this UW or FoW "special", you have to fight for it and it is good. DON'T HANGE IT!!, just add more zones like FoW and UW that need favor in order to be accessed |
misthero
Yesterday I was in FoW some hours, 2 ossidians found and some more stuff with my friends, favor gained by "To Die Trying" guild, day before yesterday we gained favor also, you wheren't in?
Favor is special thing, winning HoH is special thing, UW and FoW are special things, this works! if you want a game to explore anything anytime you can play a not online game. Spme people don't even knows of existence of such areas, is so amazing when you end game and discover the possibility to explore new secret zones, in order to complete a really difficult task.
Can't see why you can't live without FoW or UW or why you don't enter it when europe gain favor. I'ts like a party, when we do and meet a lot of people around the statues looking for a good team.
I've friends who changed to american server in order to obtain obsidian armorur, they all are now bored of plaing FoW and UW every day, is normal, is just like go aruond kryta, nothing special in it.
It's all good!! DON'T CHANGE !!!
and some more stuff with my friends, favor gained by "To Die Trying" guild, day before yesterday we gained favor also, you wheren't in?Favor is special thing, winning HoH is special thing, UW and FoW are special things, this works! if you want a game to explore anything anytime you can play a not online game. Spme people don't even knows of existence of such areas, is so amazing when you end game and discover the possibility to explore new secret zones, in order to complete a really difficult task.
Can't see why you can't live without FoW or UW or why you don't enter it when europe gain favor. I'ts like a party, when we do and meet a lot of people around the statues looking for a good team.
I've friends who changed to american server in order to obtain obsidian armorur, they all are now bored of plaing FoW and UW every day, is normal, is just like go aruond kryta, nothing special in it.
It's all good!! DON'T CHANGE !!!
CrazyAce
I'm still pretty new to guild wars but I've already read enough and seen enough to know that you're just looking for an excuse to whine about something. Now I already know I'll probably get flamed by someone since that's how public boards seem to be and if you do flame me then that'll just show that you really are whining about it and I won't take the time of day to acknowledge your flames. Now on to what I was going to say. All the time I've spent playing this game it seems like to me that both Korea and Europe hold favor for periods of time too. It's no one's fault but your own if you don't go while favor is held. Also, to me it seems like those who have constant access to these places get bored with them...and that's no fun. Actually I'd much rather be on a Europe server before I get to that part of the game because like misthero said it's something special...and when you can't get something that's special then you desire it so much more which makes it a whole lot better when you do get it.
Also on the thing about henchmen up there at the top...I'd rather not spend my time questing with people who talk like this.
"OMG U R T3H N00B!!11111 LOLZ!!111"
Apparently some people have never heard of a dictionary...
Also on the thing about henchmen up there at the top...I'd rather not spend my time questing with people who talk like this.
"OMG U R T3H N00B!!11111 LOLZ!!111"
Apparently some people have never heard of a dictionary...
medikamen
well said crazy ace, they should open a "bitching for the sake of bitching" section on this forum
LifeInfusion
I don't think there needs to be a quest to be done for FoW or UW. Just have it so that only people that made it to the Ember Light Camp or Hell's Precipice can go.
BierStark
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if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack . human play or no play ! |
Sometimes I only have 30 minutes to play between work, family, chores, commute, etc, etc.... I DON'T want to spend that 30 minutes always trying to find a PUG. Sometimes I want to solo, sometimes with guildies, sometimes with a PUG.
Sandman Uk
I agree with the completion of the last mission killing the Litch gives you a quest type icon/Badge that grants you access to the Uw/Fis.
Or a Quest from TOA that if successfull alows you access, Make the quest difficult so you apreciate the access.
I cant see people getting bored of 24/7 access. Else the Americans and Koreans would be bored stiff of it by now. European PVE players are bored standing around waiting for access. Give us another way in, everything has a back door.
Have the quest blow a hole in a mountain giving you access to another part of the UW area.
Or a Quest from TOA that if successfull alows you access, Make the quest difficult so you apreciate the access.
I cant see people getting bored of 24/7 access. Else the Americans and Koreans would be bored stiff of it by now. European PVE players are bored standing around waiting for access. Give us another way in, everything has a back door.
Have the quest blow a hole in a mountain giving you access to another part of the UW area.
Imp
Again, I'm not saying 24/7 access, I'm just saying to end the country war, and the link for pvp and pve.
I don't want some douche to be able to get into the UW 24/7 I want there to be teamwork involved in the way of PvE, like a very hard (but fun mind you) Mission (not required to continue with the game) to earn Pve Favor from the gods. This would make UK, US, AND korea happy. And if you want to keep the favor just because you like holding out the UW on another country, shame on you.
I don't want some douche to be able to get into the UW 24/7 I want there to be teamwork involved in the way of PvE, like a very hard (but fun mind you) Mission (not required to continue with the game) to earn Pve Favor from the gods. This would make UK, US, AND korea happy. And if you want to keep the favor just because you like holding out the UW on another country, shame on you.
SOT
Another petition that will do nothing but steal bandwidth here. Post away 