instead of favor, fight to FOW / UW

Ok, you could apply this to the FOW & UW or another new area in the game if you like it how it is.

The idea is that you gather together your team of 8 then enter an arena against another 8, and the winners get to go on through to the special PVE area.

Discuss?

how about if you win the Arranged 4v4 Arena for 10 consective wins, you get a token and you can use it to access a special PvE area once.

a token possibly,

10 wins no maybe 5, im mainly a pve'r i just woulndt bother with that.

The idea of having a team of 8 is that you can then take that same team, already together through to fow / uw or another area?
The problem with a token is that you would then have to spend another half an hour (possibly?) gathering a new team for x area.

What im trying to do here is creat a senario that combines both pvp and pve, but without to much of the pvp to put the pve'rs off but instead get them interested.

Maybe different areas would require more tokens / wins?

This idea doesn't feel right to me either. But nonetheless it's a solution and thus I applaud it. All solutions contribute to the brainstorm. Tokens for winning pvp or possibly certain (very difficult and gods oriented) pve quests would be cool too.

firstly it dosnt have to be a replacement for favor, but maybe a requirment for another special level. Or maybe just UW or FOW not both, suggest away.

There are several reasons why i would like to see something like this...

1.How many times have you got a group together for FOW/UW for that team to not work out, this would make team selection more important.

2.It would be a good way to encourage group play (no more solo 105 monks)

3.when you leave pre-sering you enter an areana, this part of the game gives a hint of PVP areas mixed in within the game not separate. I think that one thing this game fails on is to bring both together, its pvp or pve not both.

Now about tokens, im not so sure about them now. As ive realised that you could sell them to people, Good or Bad im not sure?

I don't think that forcing people to PvP to get to the best PvE area is not the best way to do it (although still an improvement on the WaW system).

I would suggest having teams have to fight sucessive waves of monsters of increaseing difficulty would be better. So once you've cleared a number of rounds you may continue to the area, the rounds starting small (eg a Risen Ask Hulk) and getting bigger, up to a normal group from the area you're going to.

Hmmm

Also a good idea, but not much of a challenge. Getting into the best areas should have a price attached to it, and i dont just mean money.

What im looking for (and I hope im not the only one) is to bring PVP and PVE together for a selected few game instances. I feel this is what they have tried to do with WaW but its not working out (for europe anyway).

Maybe it could be made so that if you have favor you go through anyway even if you lose, otherwise just the winner goes through?

Also maybe it could be a token instead of a win, as if you are really that against doing 1 pvp match (why?) you could buy it from someone else.

to bind PvE to PvP together, one solution is DoTA style arena.

Basically it is 1side vs 1side PvP-PvE hybrid with constant NPC allies spawns from both sides.

Some people just don't want to do PvP, you know? Just like the PvP addicts didn't want to do PvE to unlock skills either.

Exactly, and neither side will be happy until the favor is gone and you don't have to go through PvE to unlock stuff.

It's a good idea, I'll give you that. However, now I HAVE to pvp in order to go to the UW or FoW. At least with the current system someone else can do it for me. It would be an excellent solution to Europe and Korea who don't hold the favor as long as America does.

I've never made it into the UW or FoW yet and probably never will.... and add having to PvP to the requirements for entering and that really screws it. Heh.

i agree with pvp to gain pve , but thats what hoh does , but its too hard

there could be more of that kind , and with the same party , pvp to especial pve sound just great , and could even be , pvp to pve then to pvp then to pve , always diferent places and diferent teams to fight , until you reach the hoh and fight for favor in the end ...

for exemple :

same 8 person party if always win ...

mission -> pvp arena -> mission -> pvp arena -> mission -> pvp arena -> mission -> hall of heros.

the problem for this is , that people get disconect for many reasons , so the party gets smaler and smaler , sometimes ...

I like the idea (kind of OT) of meshing pve and pvp together as you said is in the transition from pre to post sear... I hope more is done with this in chapter 2.

It's not fair to force people who are looking to PvE to PvP just to get to PvE areas. PvPers are already complaining about how they have to grind PvE to unlock essential skills, runes, and mods for PvP. So why break the system even more and piss off the other half of the players?

Basically, all the reasons why I don't want to play PvP (too much of a time commitment to get good, I don't want to waste money on a headset I don't need, etc.) would apply here. Also, a party built to succeed in PvP will often not last very long in a tough PvE area. Interrupt mesmer anyone?

so just buy another game , this game is for pve and pvp , not just pve

The game is fine how it is now.

OK...this is what pisses me off. When a some PvP-only guy with 1,305,696 fame whom I care nothing about goes on a rant about how Anet "ruined" the game by catering to "n00b PvErs OMG HAXOR," he's right and we should all join in and complain and also bow down while we're at it because we're not worthy. Apparently, however, if a PvEr doesn't want to waste his time playing PvP with a bunch of Counterstrike players, he should just go buy another game? Notice how no area in PvE currently FORCES you to play PvP? I wonder why that is...maybe it's because the designers always intended the two to be separate? My money is just as good as yours, you have no right to tell me to go buy another game because I don't agree with your stupid PvP fetish, so just go away.

im not good at pvp actualy , my fame is 41 , rank 1 ...

No, favor is just fine the way it is, no need to change anything.

Im sorry but i think HALF of the players is just a tad exageration.

As i said you have to win one fight to get through.

As it is you either win HOW? many fights or you just hang around and wait.

Someone said about tokens, this is a way you can get around the fight. If you really dont like PVP you can buy a token of a PVP'r ?

This way you can either fight or pay?

I know that some people really dont like PVP, but from the people ive spoken to in the game it seems most PVE'rs i speak to dont hate it but just havnt got into it and would be willing to try. So before someone says this will annoy half the game population provide me some figures to back up your argument.

Why do I find that ironic?

/edit:
In reference to aron

So do you. Provide us some figures to back up your argument.
No, this is most assuredly a bad idea.
I respect the PVPers saying they don't want to do PVE. That is totally fine with me. They shouldn't be forced and most of the PVErs don't care about it neither. But it seems a popular disease amongst PVPers to force the PVE Folks into PVP.

Look, you don't want to do all the unlocking grind? Something other folks really do like? Don't force YOUR way of playing upon them as you don't want theirs forced upon you.

So basically, yes this is one of the most worst ideas i've ever read. The favor system has several flaws which can be named as "Encouraging Racism" or "Realm Unbalance" or "FOTM Natures Renewal". But it is by far superior to forcing every PVE person into PVP. And the one argument to stop it all: Would you really want to hit the PVP Battle with your typical Underworld Skillsetup? Holy shit, you won't make it past the first party.

And about the tokens... why should i when it is fine the way it is? Why exactly should i pay for that? Especially as you can be sure that the PVPers will jack the prices up into dreamlands. Hey it would be a high demand for those tokens. A REAL high demand. I'm quite sure those would sell for at least 40 plat each, really fast.

go to tombs, get to HoH, win it 5 times, lose, go to ToA, get to your special pve area it's more than 1 fight, ok, and it'll most likely be a lot harder too, but the rewards are better

I dont know why do you? try reading the whole post before flaming me.


I dont have any figures, but then i wasnt the one who said this would annoy half the game population.

Again how do you know this?

Please people i dont want statements from a few people speaking for the whole community saying how nearly ALL pvers dont like pvp, so far there have been a few replies saying i like and a few i dont like.

You could be right, but we dont know for certian. Lets let more people post before you make such an all knowing post.

WTF where did you read that?

this is where is stopped reading your post. If you want me to take you seriosly dont say crap like this.

Well and that exactly your problem. You did not read my post either. I asked where YOUR numbers are coming from as you act like "know it all" here :P
Yes, i read your post and i am sorry i do not have the arrogance to ignore another persons post because it is not backing up my opinion. Sorry again pal, won't change that hough :P

I brought the unlocking thing because it is a very common thing amongst PVPers that some don't like and judging by the amounts of people complaining about it in the game and on the several boards... there are quite some.

What are you on about, where have i said i know 100% that people would like this?

Somebody said it would piss of half the players, I said prove it (edited version).

i then said

so please the only time ive acted as a "know it all" is now

Ok, but i still dont get the relevance of this point. No im not being awkward im just not getting you.

fine the way it is, then why are there so many posts winging about it.

The cost issue is a good point, i can see a few ways to beat inflation tell me what you think?

1. all 8 team members get a token, making them less silly money valuable as they are more common.
2. a token trader who holds in stock only the tokens he is given and sells at a capped price. Yes there will be some people who hoard them, but there will be some people who will just want to sell them.

I am not a PVPer trying to force you to PVP.

Dargull thank you (no seriosly) this is what i want people saying if they hate or love it BUT not speaking for everybody else.

You hate PVP and would not do it, what i am trying to establish is how many poeple feel like this. I only have my own experiance to go by, most people i meet are like me which is.....

I am mainly a PVE'r but do SOME (stress some) pvp, Its not really my main thing but i do enjoy it now and again.

For everyone i will pull together all the ideas everyone has mentioned as follows

8v8 the winner goes through to x area

Or 8v8 and you get tokens which allow you passage. to keep the token prices sensible these are my suggestions.

1. all 8 team members get a token, making them less silly money valuable as they are more common.
2. a token trader who holds in stock only the tokens he is given and sells at a capped price. Yes there will be some people who hoard them, but there will be some people who will just want to sell them.

Another idea that occoured to me is a different kind of PVP

Imagian 2 teams of 8 on the same map and starting at opposite ends.

The first team to reach a flag? in the middle wins.

Inbetween the map and the players are big ugly monsters

This way you get to fight PVE style but at the same time with a bit of competion.

(Edit) this area would have to be a small one say 5-8 minutes MAX to get through.

Please feel free to make suggestions.

That last idea is actually pretty good, it could be quite interesting...

Well,
I think it so wrong. Many people from Europe area are going to American district just becos they want to go to UW and FoW. This includes many of my friends. So now when Euro has favor I dont even have friends to go with. So I have to go there with random groups and that useally is not good. Now my friends are asking me to join them to American district. They said that they will not come back till they change it somehow.
So really I would appreciate much if this thing would be changed.

I asked peeps who would like both PVE & PVP and who would like just PVE, here are the results so far. This is a count from this thread and the one linked below.

like both = 13 inc me
like mainly pve or balance isssues (spirit spamming ect) put u off pvp = 5
PVE only = 10

not tried or not sure about pvp (or im not sure from your post) = 5

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=51081&page=2

Too soon to tell but the balance beetween people who like both or just pve is starting to even out.

Shoot away.