OK I know I'm gonna get flamed for suggesting this, but it would completely solve the issue of low level characters in Droknars:
Make Dreadnought Drift a PvP *region*. One instance. Everyone plays in the same DD. If you die, you respawn just outside the DD entrance you entered. You can try again, or go home.
Solution to low-level Drok runners
Carinae
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I like the idea of a free-for-all area, and it makes friendly relations with guilds so much more important, since you can make deals to have them protect and area, guard you, et cetera. The only problem would be lag, as having a hundred people spamming Firestorm would not be very pleasant. Perhaps divide the PvP area into Districts, so there are only 30-or-so people in each one normally, but you can switch when you please.
Sturmkoenig
if a lvl20 still runs a lvl3 through, you may still have problems stopping him...
problem not solved.
problem not solved.
aron searle
Yea, i dont see how this would stop them getting though. Please elaborate.....
Carinae
Each player would have to make it through alive to pass through Dreadnought Drift. You can be in a party, and work together as a party. But only the surviving characters can pass, not the whole party.
OK the free-for-all-PvP idea isn't a good solution to the problem. (Although I like the idea!)
I suppose this rule would solve the Drok runners issue by itself:
From Beacon's Perch to Camp Rankor ONLY SURVIVING CHARACTERS CAN PASS TO THE NEXT ZONE. If you're dead when the party zones, you are kicked from the party and sent back to BP or CR.
This allows groups to work together, and people can die and be rezed and still zone, but low level people would die so often that it would not be worth the continuous rez's necessary to get them through.
OK the free-for-all-PvP idea isn't a good solution to the problem. (Although I like the idea!)
I suppose this rule would solve the Drok runners issue by itself:
From Beacon's Perch to Camp Rankor ONLY SURVIVING CHARACTERS CAN PASS TO THE NEXT ZONE. If you're dead when the party zones, you are kicked from the party and sent back to BP or CR.
This allows groups to work together, and people can die and be rezed and still zone, but low level people would die so often that it would not be worth the continuous rez's necessary to get them through.
Sturmkoenig
still no solution, because:
the lov-lvl char of the group just w8 be the entrance while the others make their way through it, either running of fighting.
the low-lvl will stay alive there and is therefor teleported with them to the next area.
the lov-lvl char of the group just w8 be the entrance while the others make their way through it, either running of fighting.
the low-lvl will stay alive there and is therefor teleported with them to the next area.
RotteN
they can just wait at the beginning of each zone, which is usually safe and creep-free. that way they'll still be alive when the runner enters a new zone ...
i don't see why someone want to stop the running, buying the best armor straight away saves money (specially if you're only using a char to unlock skills). Instead i would put an armor and level cap on low level arena's, rather than only a level cap ...
i don't see why someone want to stop the running, buying the best armor straight away saves money (specially if you're only using a char to unlock skills). Instead i would put an armor and level cap on low level arena's, rather than only a level cap ...
sidepocket13
put up a wall. problem solved :P
aron searle
theres too many ways to get around it.
just put a lvl cap on the armour.
just put a lvl cap on the armour.
aron searle
or disallow drokners in x arenas?
sidepocket13
i would imagine 1 of the new areas will be blocking the way once the update comes out. but i see no problem with level caps on the armor.......
Sturmkoenig
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DeepFyre
or just make it so u have to ascend to use the armor 
noblepaladin
Why is it a "problem"? Maybe A.Net does not consider it a problem, otherwise the easiest and most obvious fix is just to close the door in Beacon's that exits to Lornars. There is absolutely no reason for someone to run down from Beacons towards Lornars unless they are being run (the usual case) or they want an big challenge on their second character (I've heard of people who want to skip the desert do this in a party of 6, but it is almost nonexistant). They don't even have anything to skill cap in Lornars, so it's not worth going through it at all unless you are being run.
aron searle
why is it a problem?
Its a problem because of people wearing drokner armour in the low level arenas. Other than that your right, its not a problem and its fine if they want to get run there (with me anyway).
But imagine if you a new player, you think hmmmm wonder what these arenas are like then............
And yes i know drokners dosnt make you all that, but it certanly helps.
Its a problem because of people wearing drokner armour in the low level arenas. Other than that your right, its not a problem and its fine if they want to get run there (with me anyway).
But imagine if you a new player, you think hmmmm wonder what these arenas are like then............
And yes i know drokners dosnt make you all that, but it certanly helps.
DrSLUGFly
so what you would have is 7 people dividing the spoils of 1 low level getting run. This isn't very effective business. Currently someone running to droknar will earn about 20 plat per run (add up all the paid parasites) and with a mandatory PvP in dreadnoughts, you would have 7 low levels trying to take on 8 high levels... wouldn't work. Therefore this is an interesting and valid solution... but I think the best solution is to base entry into arenas not only by level but also by armor level and weapon dmg. Also disallowing any elites in the Ascalon Arena (since you can't cap until Kryta)
Lebdan
I started a topic about this and no solution was found. The best suggestion was to have checkpoints on zones that you can't skip to get to droknar or kryta.
Checkpointing Yak's Bend and Beacon's Perch would stop the use of advanced skills and armors in the early arenas.
Checkpointing Yak's Bend and Beacon's Perch would stop the use of advanced skills and armors in the early arenas.
Mavrik
simply lv cap the armor. blocking the pass just for you PvPers is a pile of bull.
/not signed.
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Sturmkoenig
my big question, about the armor-with-lvl-cap-solution is:
there was an lvl-cap in the beta. why has it been removed?
btw, the PvP solution wouldn't have been realised either way, as it would be too different and expensive to make for just 1 area... forget about it...
there was an lvl-cap in the beta. why has it been removed?
btw, the PvP solution wouldn't have been realised either way, as it would be too different and expensive to make for just 1 area... forget about it...
tuskenraid
So most of you would rather punish all players rather than address the real issue? That's certainly how it seems. I for one have absolutely no problem with someone who chooses to run to Droknars to get the good armor and then enjoy the rest of game without spending a fortune on lesser armors throughout the whole process.
The real "problem" that you all seem to be having is the idiots who get the "best" armor and then behave like punks in the low-level, nearly worthless arenas so they can feel big and important. So address the problem. As many other posters have already said, in this thread and others, simply make it so that when you enter an arena you are given a choice of low-level appropriate armors, rune, weapons, etc., block elites and make everyone be on an even playing field as far as equipment goes.
But seriously, why punish PVE players who only want to play the game with one or two sets of armor? Get real. And, if that really does bother you, then here's another alternative; at least one PVE player has to have ascended or beaten the game before other PVE characters can run to Droknars.
This whole "people who run to Droknars are evil and are ruining the game" mentality has got to stop. It is such a tired topic.
The real "problem" that you all seem to be having is the idiots who get the "best" armor and then behave like punks in the low-level, nearly worthless arenas so they can feel big and important. So address the problem. As many other posters have already said, in this thread and others, simply make it so that when you enter an arena you are given a choice of low-level appropriate armors, rune, weapons, etc., block elites and make everyone be on an even playing field as far as equipment goes.
But seriously, why punish PVE players who only want to play the game with one or two sets of armor? Get real. And, if that really does bother you, then here's another alternative; at least one PVE player has to have ascended or beaten the game before other PVE characters can run to Droknars.
This whole "people who run to Droknars are evil and are ruining the game" mentality has got to stop. It is such a tired topic.
David Lionmaster
a free for all arena would be cool, but i think a better idea is to but a mountain in the middle of there, that way no one can get though.
David Lionmaster
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So most of you would rather punish all players rather than address the real issue? That's certainly how it seems. I for one have absolutely no problem with someone who chooses to run to Droknars to get the good armor and then enjoy the rest of game without spending a fortune on lesser armors throughout the whole process.
The real "problem" that you all seem to be having is the idiots who get the "best" armor and then behave like punks in the low-level, nearly worthless arenas so they can feel big and important. So address the problem. As many other posters have already said, in this thread and others, simply make it so that when you enter an arena you are given a choice of low-level appropriate armors, rune, weapons, etc., block elites and make everyone be on an even playing field as far as equipment goes. But seriously, why punish PVE players who only want to play the game with one or two sets of armor? Get real. And, if that really does bother you, then here's another alternative; at least one PVE player has to have ascended or beaten the game before other PVE characters can run to Droknars. This whole "people who run to Droknars are evil and are ruining the game" mentality has got to stop. It is such a tired topic. |
Damon Windwalker
I can see the drok running being an issue for PvPers, taking back the good armor to the low arenas.
I can't see it being an issue in PvE, unless people are trying to continue past Droks withou being ascended.
To address the PvP issue, ban drok armor form the lower level arenas. This doesn't negatively impact PvE players who just want their amor early.
To address the problem of low level characters trying to do missions past Droks, just don't take them *shrug*
If your only beef aside from those things is just because you don't think I should be able to play that way - it doesn't affect you - and therefore, your opinion doesn't matter.
Thank you, that is all.
I can't see it being an issue in PvE, unless people are trying to continue past Droks withou being ascended.
To address the PvP issue, ban drok armor form the lower level arenas. This doesn't negatively impact PvE players who just want their amor early.
To address the problem of low level characters trying to do missions past Droks, just don't take them *shrug*
If your only beef aside from those things is just because you don't think I should be able to play that way - it doesn't affect you - and therefore, your opinion doesn't matter.
Thank you, that is all.
lishi
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i bought all the armor along the way... its what makes it an rpg, character building slowly.
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DFrost
Rather just cap the low-level arenas.
-Ascalon arena allows a maximum armor class XX
-Shiverpeaks arena allows a maximum armour class YY
I've had one character run to Droknar's and I like it so far. The missions aren't very much fun in my opinion (I prefer quests) and I'd rather not keep doing them over and over again with all my 4 characters.
-Ascalon arena allows a maximum armor class XX
-Shiverpeaks arena allows a maximum armour class YY
I've had one character run to Droknar's and I like it so far. The missions aren't very much fun in my opinion (I prefer quests) and I'd rather not keep doing them over and over again with all my 4 characters.
Carinae
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I can't see it being an issue in PvE, unless people are trying to continue past Droks withou being ascended.
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Then you get a level 2 player in Thunderhead trying to join your group. Yes, I could ignore him, but it's annoying and LAME. I had to work to get here, some of the missions are hard (REALLY HARD if you do them with henchies only) and LAME-O got run here by a buddy. He has no experience in playing, and even if he does, his character CAN'T compete at that point in the game. He's dead-weight and he's just riding the coat-tails of others.
LAME LAME LAME
Maybe the mandatory PvP free-for-all at Dreadnought Drift would be a good idea. No Parties. Get to the other side on your own. A level 20 could do it in a few attempts at most (some classes could do it every time) but a level 1-10 would NEVER get through.
lishi
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But it does affect the PvE players. People aren't just getting the fancy Drok Armor and then going back and playing the game, they are trying to SKIP whole sections of the game. They have no manners, are rude and over-confident. Even if you wanted to help them, they over aggro cause their "l33t armor rox so muxor!"
Then you get a level 2 player in Thunderhead trying to join your group. Yes, I could ignore him, but it's annoying and LAME. I had to work to get here, some of the missions are hard (REALLY HARD if you do them with henchies only) and LAME-O got run here by a buddy. He has no experience in playing, and even if he does, his character CAN'T compete at that point in the game. He's dead-weight and he's just riding the coat-tails of others. LAME LAME LAME Maybe the mandatory PvP free-for-all at Dreadnought Drift would be a good idea. No Parties. Get to the other side on your own. A level 20 could do it in a few attempts at most (some classes could do it every time) but a level 1-10 would NEVER get through. |
i have made ascension with level 14 monks and level 14 ranger without probrem. without harrasing anyone ecc. ecc and probably done my job better than most lev 20.
if you dont like party with low level is not a probrem dont do that you see his level before accept.
IPlayGuildWars
And the next best thing starts...people running to collectors for leet armor
Interregnum
Just drop the idea for a free-for-all public zone.
There's no way they're making it. Would take up massive amounts of server power and bandwidth.
Plus, I doubt anyone would be in there except other runners. You'd have to bring your whole team through snake dance (if you want 8 people) just to get there. And nobody wants to spend the hour or so fighting through there just to PvP. You'd go to the CAs and start immediately.
So just drop the idea. Everyone has noted that it's impractical. The armor cap in the lower arenas and blocking elites is a much more practical solution.
There's no way they're making it. Would take up massive amounts of server power and bandwidth.
Plus, I doubt anyone would be in there except other runners. You'd have to bring your whole team through snake dance (if you want 8 people) just to get there. And nobody wants to spend the hour or so fighting through there just to PvP. You'd go to the CAs and start immediately.
So just drop the idea. Everyone has noted that it's impractical. The armor cap in the lower arenas and blocking elites is a much more practical solution.
Damon Windwalker
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But it does affect the PvE players. People aren't just getting the fancy Drok Armor and then going back and playing the game,
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An idiot is an idiot, no matter what armor they wear.
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Don't party with them. Laugh at them. If they piss you off, it's only because you allow them to piss you off.
tuskenraid
Most of us PVE'rs realize that the OP's idea is impractical. The whole notion is totalitarian; "I play the game this way and everyone else should too". That's baloney. Someone earlier said "that's why it's an RPG, to level your character slowly". No... that's what an RPG is for you. For whatever reason though, people can't seem to get past the whole idea of individual play styles.
Yeah, it's true, you're gonna get some juvenile twit prattling on about how "1337" he is in his "uber" armor. You and I both know that he's a mindless tool and that with or without good armor, he's still gonna suck. So let him suck. Move on. The world's full of idiots; get used to them - you'll have much more peace in your life if you do.
But for god's sake stop trying to change of facet of the game that some people use and other do not, and that the dev's clearly have no problem with. There are much better causes to get behind than this one, namely drops, content, faction rewards, botters, etc... Let it go.
Yeah, it's true, you're gonna get some juvenile twit prattling on about how "1337" he is in his "uber" armor. You and I both know that he's a mindless tool and that with or without good armor, he's still gonna suck. So let him suck. Move on. The world's full of idiots; get used to them - you'll have much more peace in your life if you do.
But for god's sake stop trying to change of facet of the game that some people use and other do not, and that the dev's clearly have no problem with. There are much better causes to get behind than this one, namely drops, content, faction rewards, botters, etc... Let it go.
Syuveil
You guys are worrying over nothing, I have maxed armor on my lvl8 Me/W whom I use in the ascalon arena... it doesn't help all that much. Possibly because a Me tank takes a lot of damage, but still... who cares if they have better armor than you, if you are a skilled player you can take them out.
DrSLUGFly
when I accidentally take somebody under level 15 when nearly everyone is 19 and 20 I simply tell them "sorry no parasites" and drop them... no greifing, no concerns... no shortage of other teamates. But don't just drop them, make sure you tell them first that they're parasites and won't be met with kinship or even rudeness, just ignored.
Epiph
how bout we get george bush to drop a couple bombs on guildwars then no one gets to go there.
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Judas Paladin
how about no solution
does low levels having droknar's armor cause that many problems?
sure it may make the game easier for them, but in no way are they immediately gods
even in early areas with droknars armor, as i have seen a few die quite easily
big deal, they have more AL, they still have the same, if not less life than you do in a mission and well what's wrong with having an "extra well equipped guy" with you in the mission. It's really just like having a level 20 in your group early on in the game.
I play thru the game with every new char i make, and have never been rushed or ran and i have encoutered these so called rushed people, but they really don't hinder the game or make that big of a difference in my opinion.
you could be talking about something else that i'm missing here, but my ultimate question is why does having the armor matter so darn much?
does low levels having droknar's armor cause that many problems?
sure it may make the game easier for them, but in no way are they immediately gods
even in early areas with droknars armor, as i have seen a few die quite easily
big deal, they have more AL, they still have the same, if not less life than you do in a mission and well what's wrong with having an "extra well equipped guy" with you in the mission. It's really just like having a level 20 in your group early on in the game.
I play thru the game with every new char i make, and have never been rushed or ran and i have encoutered these so called rushed people, but they really don't hinder the game or make that big of a difference in my opinion.
you could be talking about something else that i'm missing here, but my ultimate question is why does having the armor matter so darn much?
BierStark
Exactly, who cares... I have run 2 of my characters all the way through the game... my 3rd character, I'm bored, want to solo some stuff, etc, etc... got ran to the Forge, now, I'm going back to Beacon's and continue on from there.... don't dictate to me how YOU want to play the game....
Mavrik
my first character, I bought every armor set in the game along the way. Yes I was broke most of the time... My second character, she was run from piken to droknar and I now have just 2 sets of armor for her, droknar 1.5k and working on grotto druid 15k. But I'm still doing missions back at Lion's Arch now which is where I got last night and I'm noticing a very nice difference. Sure I get hurt, I've died a couple times but not as much. Missions and areas I went through with my first character and failed horribly, I have swooped through like a goddess lol. To deprive me of my complete enjoyment of this game in PvE to satisfy the selfish desires of only the PvP people getting owned by uber newbies in lower arena... I say to you, grow up. Get real. As I have mentioned and others have.
LEVEL CAP THE ARMOR & Remove elite SKILLS
THERE SIMPLE!
In the words of my hero... "GOSH!"
LEVEL CAP THE ARMOR & Remove elite SKILLS
THERE SIMPLE!
In the words of my hero... "GOSH!"
Rossaroni
There is no issue that arises from people getting run to Droknar's. If they want to skip portions of the game, that's fine. There's no harm in that. If you think there is, don't invite them into your party. Full stop.