Perfect way To Nerf 55/105 monk UW soloers

First off saying what the developers intended or not is pointless as you have no idea. Secondly, 105 monks reduce the time for everyone to get FoW armour since a lot of them are selling the ecto straight to the trader. Also if the original intention was that FoW armour took time to get it's certainly not anymore because the price reset allowed some people to get it in about an hour and a half, FoW armour as a status symbol of time and effort ceased to be relevant when the price reset occured.

I'm also pretty sure the developers didn't "intend" for W/Mos to be able to farm the Griffons and Stone Summit north of Camp Rancor but it was and to my knowledge still is possible if not very profitable thanks to A.net nerfing all the drops. So unless you want your W/Mo nerfed I'd be quiet about soloing in places the developers didn't intend.

...can't people just be left to enjoy the game however they want?

And if you find that you're NOT enjoying it any more, then just play something else?

Isn't Guild Wars a team game? Why should one person be able to solo the UW, one of the toughest places in the game's world? It's silly.

I don't agree that they should nerf it at all, but if they did want to kill it of, they could simply make it so that when your energy reaches zero from the Grasping Darkness', all your maintained enchantments would be lost. That might or might not COMPLETELY stomp out soloers, but if they can find a good way around it, perhaps they deserve to get the rewards from soloing.

Ummm just where do you get your statistics that we are the vocal minority? Just because you are jealous that we are a majority? lol It's coming in some form of fashion it's coming nerf nerf nerf nerf the monk 105/55 build.

Aside from the flamebait nature of your post it doesn't really matter since there's going to be no nerf of the build and it's not very likely they'll nerf UW again. Since they didn't even bother to stop people using armour in the low-level arenas which everyone agrees is wrong and haven't done anything about Droknar running I seriously doubt they're going to cave in to a few whiners on the 105 issue. Look how long it took to impliment PvP balance changes which actually do affect other players the chances of them wasting their time on screwing over legitimate players simply for doing something other people don't like is highly unlikely. A.net aren't perfect but they're not that inexperienced at game development.

Nerf the other guy so they have one less play option when playing a monk. That way, they make it more convenient for ME. We all know that my convenience in getting a party outweighs what/how others wish to spend their playing time.

We should make it so that the monk character have only healing skills and protection skills. They don't need to smite. This way, they would be forced to rely on us warriors if they want to play at all. Afterall, this is a TEAM-based game. In addition, make it so they are not allowed to go into any area or mission unless in a full party. Make it so they are not allowed to go into explorable areas except the ones with elite skills, but again, only in a party. They should be forced to stick it out through the entire adventure until the party returns to town because the party needs them. They are not allowed to leave. The people playing monks should suck it up. This is for the greater good of the game. By doing this, it will be easier to get groups, and all the other people playing the non-monk profession will have a more enjoyable time playing this game.

I hope you weren't even remotely serious in suggesting that this selfish reason is justification for nerfing one or any profession. Nerfing the solo-ers would not relieve the monk shortage. They would likely farm elsewhere or play something else. A lot of them would not stick around and play a healer to parties. Furthermore, would you want someone that played solo smiting his entire monk career to be your party healer over Alesia? There's an obvious solution to the healing monk shortage. Go play a healer and join parties.

You believe that the developers intended for a lone warrior to be able to round up 20-30 desert griffins and killing them all in one fight and come out on top?

Well no one is supposed to be soloing to begin with so I don't understand your point...

I have a solo uw monk, its a fun thing to do in my spare time by myself for once whilst not pvp-ing.

Personally, almost everyone in my guild has a solo uw monk apart from 2 people, as well as most of my friends.

It's fun, your trying to remove peoples fun from the game because the minority don't like it. and as with others and you still havent answered good enough, why.?

For the peeps who argue the 105s should be nerfed for the economy and for enjoyability of gameplay: Ending Droknars runs is vastly more important. I understand that it's a nice shortcut for people who have already finished the game, but it takes all the fun out of getting new armor. Besides, I got a run two days ago with my 4th pve char, and 6!!!!! of the people had never been beyond the shiverpeaks. WTH are they doing running to droks.

I vote for removing the area between lornars and snake dance, or putting a gate there that only players with at least one ascended character can pass.

monks heal. Its what they do. Your not a good monk if you cant heal them for that much.

If you really wanna make it so that drops are nerfed, make it like d2x--8 people =8 times harder monsters=8 times better drops. people woulnt need two make a invinci monk then.

not at all, i used to run it with 14 prot

you mean 8x more frequent [not better] drops. but besides that, why not nerf boon monks because a group of 2 warriors cant kill him because he heals himself too much? why not nerf rangers because you cant wand them to death easily enough. just because you cant kill something, does it deserve to be nerfed? thats the exact case with the invincimonk. it is killable but not everything can kill it. so with this same logic, i dont think it should be nerfed at all. it allows people to not play with compleate newbs who talk to the ghost at underworld, and other newbish things of the same type.

You don't even need to do that...just close the door in Beacon's that leads to Lornar's. No one who is legitimately in Beacon's Perch needs to be able to access Lornar's, so why is the door even there?

Just to restate other threads and close this one... After the update: Protect bond is now 3 max so it is useless in all situations.

Instead of whining, why not just be a monk.

I hate whiners. Be mature player. If you know an advantage, use it...don't whine.

If you're stubborn and do not wish to use the advantage, just STFU!

What irks me is the the strong hand of A.Net/NCSoft. Every time someone discovers an advantage, they nerf it.

A.Net/NCSoft needs to stop playing the game for us and we need to be mature. If there's an advantage, use it, don't whine.

The meddling of A.Net/NCSoft will only hasten GW's demise.

This game is already boring as is...this meddling only makes the game even less direserable.

The way the update is done is stupid. Now the skill is totally useless even in group PvE or PvP.

At -3 Energy, you're out of energy in <5s, even if you've casted on an ally.

So what is A.Net/NCSoft solution? Why make the skill totally useless overall?

This shows the lack of insight on these meddling morons!

I admit it now, i have not read all 3 pages of this balls.

Can no one see the obvious way to nerf solo'ers in UW? Damn...is there no hope...

There is no need to nerf the monk, or any skills.

JUST CREATE A BLOODY MINIMUM PARTY LIMIT FOR UNDERWORLD.

Sheesh.

I'm surprised Anet hasn't thought of this if they really do care whether people solo UW. The way they buggered the Prot Bond skill so it's shite in all aspects suggests they do. But...they didn't do it very well...as it is still quite possible to solo UW...

I say revert Prot Bond back to the way it is, and make a minimum party limit.

Or don't. Leave the solo monks alone. Why do they need be nerfed? After all, isn't there such a thing as Fissure Armour, that requires ridiculous amounts of Ectoplasm? Buying Ecto is out of the question now, as, well, the prices are going to shoot right back up.

And did Anet themselves not say, 'we have nothing against honourable farmers!'? I find no farming more honourable than making use of the skills to create a clever combination to farm a small part of Underworld.

But if they want to nerf it, all power to them. Just do it right. Leave the skills alone.

I agree with this and the solo monks, both are major issues that needs to be addressed.

Well uninstall it and move on instead of creating hundreds of posts about how much you hate the game. You are wasting more time complaining here about it than you are playing another game you would enjoy more. You really come off like a serious cry baby.

Lol Lo Ching Woe, you should know by now your kind of remarks aren't going to shut anyone up or mostly even agree with you. But, in rebuttal for your own statement, if you don't like my (whines) opinions well you can just STFU also. You aren't going to stop me.

I truely believe in change and policing the game to make it balanced for "everyone" every class. If one class can solo the UW then every class should be able to solo the UW without having to be a Mo secondary. Which every primary class cannot, thus the class needs nerfing some more. Protective Spirit should be next and then whatever else that would allow one class to solo it religiously. Make it where any and every class can solo it and I will STFU.

@Kaldor Meshekal :JUST CREATE A BLOODY MINIMUM PARTY LIMIT FOR UNDERWORLD
I agree with this just make a minimum party size of lets say 4 so 4 man smite runs are still available

Underused Skills

We took some time to look at skills we felt were under-used (like Panic, Spinal Shivers, Dwarven Battle Stance, and a few others) and tried to either reduce their cost or increase their effects. Often we find the best way to balance something is to increase the effectiveness of its counters; this can be a very tricky thing to do, but it often provides more interesting play.


This verbatim from A.Net as they released to IGN.

Now I'd like to ask how making Protective Bond static at 3 no matter how many more attributes a person assigns to Protection Prayers beyond 13 is going to encourage that person to use this skill?

Additionally, this skill will be the only oddball skill that doesn't scale like every other skills because the developers had a brainfart.

Usually when I throw this on a tanker, he's mostly being harrassed by 3 or more mobs. At a loss of -12 on hits, I'll be drained in less than 5s. Why so short? Because I'd be healings and myself.

As it stands, Protective Bond is totally useless.

A.Net/NCSoft needs to reflect on itself and take the proper course of action. The current course is just nonsensicle and totally lack imagination (and normalcy of the flow of the mechanics of the game).