absoulutely worst skills for each class in pve

Otyugh's Cry affects pets just fine. The beauty of it isn't the +20 AL, although that's certainly a nice add-on; the beauty of it is that it lets you use your pet to attack without having to attack yourself (normally your pet just stands around if you aren't actively attacking). With OC, you can target something for your pet to smack while you trap/heal/drop spirits/whatever else you want to do.

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Monk:

Shield of Deflection
Like.. seriously... very short duration, insanely high energycost, little to no payoff. The only good thing about it is the visual effect... and its an elite as well... ouch.

Divine Spirit
WOW... up to 10 seconds of decreased energy cost with the awesome recharge time of 60 seconds plus you have to pay 10 energy for it. Geez... NOT using it, is a lot more efficient than using it.

Purge Signet
UHM... okkkaayy... awful long casting time and you lose 10 energy for each hex and condition removed. There are just more efficient ways to remove hexes and conditions.
Ah, not to forget the awfully long recharge.

Mesmer: Ineptitude
Uhm, okay... clumsiness with some added blind effect. Sure worth your eliteslot o_o

Necromancer:

Barbed Signet
Uhm... well, you basically sacrifice health to get it back. Okay, all fine and stuff. You're probably doing a +-0 calculation here and stole the enemy up to 60 health. Wow... 2 seconds cast time and 30 seconds recharge are just great *cough, cough*

Signet of Agony
Even worse... less damage, faster reload and you're bleeding. Uhh, aoe damage. Those 40 damage sure will hurt...

You can't look at skills useless only in PvE though, some are only usefull in PvP.
Kampfkeks is stating the bad ones and why they are and he's not making a difference between PvE and PvP I think that's how u should look at it.
Some skills suck in PvE but are propert to good in PvP like Frozen Soil.. blegh it's annoying in PvP!

Hmm, I use Frenzy.

Why's it so useless? The only other stance I know for a W/R that gives you 33% more attack speed is Tigers Fury, Flurry and "I will avenge you", which isn't even a stance.

Tigers Fury is pretty good but takes forever to reload and it costs a bundle compared to Frenzy.

Flurry doesn't give you an armor penalty but it removes 25% of your damage. I'd say that's a nasty drawback.

"I will avenge you" is ok in my opinion, but the drawback is that you need the corpse of an ally, preferably more for it to be useful.

Again, you might say that not using a speed-enhancing skill would be the best, but I reckon it's pretty useful for damage and adrenalin gain.

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Warrior -> Devastating Blow
Ranger -> Distracting Shot
Elementalist -> Flare
Mesmer -> Diversion
Necromancer -> Spiteful Spirit
Monk -> Shield of Judgement

These are the ones that I love and hate. It's not really the WORST. It's just the ones that piss me off the most; and the ones I enjoy using the most.

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wtf? 100+ damage per flare? check again.

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I do get the feeling that most people are saying a skill is useless without every using them.

Barbed Signet: Do about 60 dmg that ignore armour and gain about 15 health from a distance and uses no energy? It is so bad isn't it.

Signet of Agony: I am sure it is very complicated to use it in a W/N or N/W with plague touch, where you sac some health and use 5 energy to do 40 dmg to a group of mob and give one of them bleeding for about 15s.

Scourge Healing: While it is not that good, it does help with killing the monk boss at Thirsty River which alone makes it some what usefull.

The monk ettin in perdition rock also has restore life, but then again, if you're a ranger and you're bringing frozen soil to counter restore life and unyielding aura instead of, oh, concussion/distracting/savage/punishing shot, then rethink your strategy.

ftw flare? your an ele not a bloddy warrior. your job is to provide large spikes, not consistent dps. whatsmore diversion shafts you. 5e is actually awful, its a huge drain on your e which should be being saved for say, meteor shower.

Since when cant an Ele or any caster deal alot of damage over the course of time?

Spikes of damage, last time I checked those spikes of damage usually did more damage than a warrior could do in twice the time.

Did you guys not happen to see the sarcasm at the end of my post?

lol flare is a great little skill when used correct!

Elemental Attunement + Fire Attunement - your flare costs 1 Energy and gives 48'ish damage - level 16 (2 flares nearly 100 damage in a little over 2 secs? 2 energy:P) ok it doesnt give area damage but its still great!

Flare is also great for driving your energy up when using ether renewal.

whoever said ineptitude sucks, try doing the ring of fire missions without it -.- Just load it and Epidemic and you're home free.

I dont agree with the guy that said distracting shot is useless for PvE. I always pack it and savage shot for Fissure, and it works like a charm. I do agree that frozen soil is junk. The only instance I may waste a skill slot on FS is against the shadow monks in FoW.. but distracting and savage take care of their restore skills anyway. So anyway.. FS=fresh stinky. =D

Actually I take back what I said about warriors endurance. I've been using it in PvE for a particular build and it does help on the energy.

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this is the funniest thread i have read in a while.

Thanks for the laughs folks.

I wil agree on Otyughs, who the hell actually uses that

Hamstring useles?? i laugh at you (hahaahah)

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Frenzy sucks the most? Flare a must-have?

Dear God learn the game folks.

My nominees would be;

Elementalist
Air Magic: Lightning Surge {E}
* The monsters are either too stupid to care about damage spikes, or it's not likely to matter. This spell has absolutely no effect on bosses- The half hex time causes it to run out in 1.5 seconds, short of the required 3.
Earth Magic: Iron Mist
* Snares tend to be some of the least useful skills in PvE. Just aggo them to the tank, it's fairly simple. If you're running as a Geomancer, snares actually serve a purposel They make you faster than the enemy, which causes them to ignore you when you run away, as they can't keep up.
Iron Mist got the slot because unlike other snares, it's not AoE, and it can be problematic while grouping (OMG! HAXX! Invincible monster cheat!).
Energy Storage: Ether Prodigy {E}
*It just pales in comparison to Ether Renewal. I suppose I could say Aura of Restoration instead, as the healing is not enough when you're being pounded on to matter, and is otherwise wasted when you're not. Aura of Restoration, however, is compatible in Ether Renewal builds, and Ether Renewal is actually very good.
Fire Magic: Searing Heat
*5 seconds duration, 25 cost, exhaustion, and the same damage as all of the other DoT fire spells? What in the world were they thinking when they made this spell?
Unlinked: Glyph of Renewal {E}
* Even not in PvE, I don't like this one. Spells tend to either have too long a recharge time for the halved duration to matter (the battle will probably be over), or they recharge too quickly and it's not needed. Arcane Echo and Echo tend to dominate in the multi-casting department, though they're not elementalist skills.
Water Magic: Mind Freeze {E}
*This one wins for the same reason as Iron Mist did. Although there are other single snares, this one has elite status for some odd reason. A good chunk of the water line is fairly pointless, in reality though. Monsters will try and stick to you like glue already, and if you don't want them to, moving around your tank properly will place the aggro on him instead.

Mesmer
Domination: Mind Wrack
*Should be fairly self-explanatory.
Fast Casting: Mantra of Recovery {E}
*To be fair, it's also the best Fast Casting skill.
Illusion: Ethereal Burden
*Same reasoning as the other snare choices. It beat out Crippling Anguish and Imagined Burden because those actually can be used to kite enemies in soloing. If you choose a type of enemy that travels in groups of 3 or less, you can degenerate them to death like this. However, Ethereal Burden is too slow to cast, and takes too long to recharge to really help.
Inspiration: Ether Lord
*Hands down, it wins. The energy stolen isn't great, it has half duration on bosses, and it causes you to lose all of your energy.
Unlinked: Epidemic
*Adjacent range, and the original enemy loses their condition to boot. You need at least 2 monsters in range to make it do anything more than merely swapping the conditions, and it costs 15 to boot.

Monk
Divine Favour: Divine Healing
*Was a hard choice, but in the end, I went with this. That 60 second recharge is killer, and you have to be nearby, which could potentially lead to aggroing monsters to you. The 2 seconds casting time means it had better not be an emergency heal.
Healing Prayers: Live Vicariously
*If it's yourself you're putting this on, why not Vigorous Spirit instead? If it's your allies, and they're hitting the monsters, aren't they the ones most likely getting hit? And if so, I don't think it's you that needs the healing. I was considering Heal Area, but monster AI is fairly predictable, and positioned properly, there're few to no drawbacks to it.
Protection Prayers: Vital Blessing
*Set health bonus. Whoopee. It's not going to make healing any more effective.
Smiting Prayers: Holy Wrath
I'm not sure how some monsters manage to continue healing while maintaining Holy Wrath, but the only thing you'll be able to do is maintain another 3 *enchantments and use signets. Holy Wrath can sap an elementalist dry in no time flat. Assuming you use Watchful Spirit, Signet of Devotion, Mending, and Retribution with this, you'll still have trouble taking out small groups of monsters; They have to damage you a little over their health to get killed, and their combined health totals way more than yours.
Unlinked: Holy Veil
*Doubles hexxing time. Doesn't stop any, just doubles the casting time.

I'm done for the night, too tired to really think well anymore. I'll edit this if I remember. [Was relaxing though. o.o]

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